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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Hobbit Hole wrote: Yes who is Mike....I know van and Mtn rd. If you know Van and Mountain Road, then you know Mike.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Hobbit Hole wrote: Yes who is Mike....I know van and Mtn rd. I heard he was once in business with Gary.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Suppose Van didn't do it. Suppose no one did it. Suppose, just for argument's sake, that they were spirited out of town to protect their safety, presumably from Van. It would probably be important to convince Van that the two potential victims (PV) were dead. Otherwise, Van might go looking for them and he might ask questions of several people, several relatives, in a not nice way. So it's best to convince him that the PVs are dead, probably murdered. Is there any reason this cannot be true? If so, what exactly?
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Suppose Van didn't kill the PVs and he discovers that the father is unconcerned about his daughter's fate. Couldn't that end up being a potential problem? Wouldn't it be more convincing if the girl's father acted like he was in some kind of horrible turmoil over his daughter's unexplained disappearance? Shouldn't he, the father, act like he wants a piece of the "dirtbag" that killed his daughter? Providing safe passage to a potential victim of abuse or violence may be a commendable practice, but if the fiction of the victim's death is furthered by including in the story a fictitious killer, who happens to be a real but innocent person, then that's something that might backfire badly.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Maybe a note was found near or in the Saturn? Something from the Bible?
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Beagle
Shelburne Falls, MA
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Judged:
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Molecular manufacturing has the potential to transform the human condition. Is it a feasible technology? Eric Drexler and others have showed in detail how machine-phase nanotechnology is consistent with physical laws and have outlined several routes by which it could be developed [see “What is molecular nanotechnology?”]. Molecular manufacturing might seem incredible, maybe because the eventual consequences seem too overwhelming, but nanotechnology experts point out that there currently exists no published technical critique of Drexler’s arguments. More than ten years after the publication of Nanosystems, nobody has yet been able to point to any significant error in the calculations. Meanwhile, investment in the development of nanotechnology, already billions of dollars annually worldwide, is growing every year, and at least the less visionary aspects of nanotechnology have already become mainstream. ABOVE FROM the Transhumanist website: http://humanityplus.org/learn/transhumanist-f... ********** Maybe that's why Jared Abbruzzese was so involved in the nanotechnology company Evident Technologies. And in a tiny upstate New York real estate company called Dove Interests. Which, amazingly enough, was dominated by financial giants Loeb Partners and T. Boone Pickens. So what is at least one connection between Loeb Partners and Waterbury/Naugatuck CT? John Regan. And between Loeb Partners and Troy NY attorney E. Stewart Jones? John Regan. An old friend of disgraced former CT governor John G. Rowland (bribed into federal prison by Key Air/Keystone Aviation, a company closely connected to Loeb Partners)? John Regan.
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MIke
Atlanta, GA
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Hobbit Hole wrote: Irene...Why would You ask if she was nude..........and how could anyone know that. Stupid Question Sorry. I was wonering if she had her clothers on too?
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Bumping for Maura
Sweden
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This has been discussed on several occasions previously, but I still think that it deserves some renewed attention here. I was thinking of the so called Cottage Hospital witness, who was driving home from his/her work at the Cottage Hospital in Woodsville at about the same time as Maura´s accident occurred at the Weathered Barn Curve. This witness was driving along Swiftwater Road/Goose Lane between Woodsville and Swiftwater when she was overtaken by Officer Cecil Smith´s police cruiser (Haverhill PD). When the witness got as far as the intersection between French Pond Road and Rte 112 at the Stage Stop Store in Swiftwater village he/she observed Officer Smith´s cruiser arriving from the direction of Highway 302/10 and driving in an easterly direction towards the Weathered Barn Curve. Now, what does seem somewhat strange with this account is that Officer Smith seemingly, for some reason, apparently did not drive directly from Woodsville to the place of Maura´s accident, but instead opted to first go west on Rte 112, before turning around and driving back towards the Weathered Barn Curve. Provided that the witness is right, and we really don´t have a reason to disbelieve him/her, why on earth should Officer Smith first have been going west on Rte 112 before turning around towards the location of Maura´s accident? What was Officer Smith checking out along Rte 112 in the opposite direction before driving out to the Weathered Barn Curve? What on earth could have been deemed to be of such importance to Officer Smith? I have never been able to come up with as much as a decent guess regarding this matter. Any ideas?
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looking4amoose
Woonsocket, RI
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There's a cut through road (Cemetary Rd I think it is) that puts you further up 112 appearing that he had driven past it. Bumping for Maura wrote: This has been discussed on several occasions previously, but I still think that it deserves some renewed attention here.
I was thinking of the so called Cottage Hospital witness, who was driving home from his/her work at the Cottage Hospital in Woodsville at about the same time as Maura´s accident occurred at the Weathered Barn Curve.
This witness was driving along Swiftwater Road/Goose Lane between Woodsville and Swiftwater when she was overtaken by Officer Cecil Smith´s police cruiser (Haverhill PD). When the witness got as far as the intersection between French Pond Road and Rte 112 at the Stage Stop Store in Swiftwater village he/she observed Officer Smith´s cruiser arriving from the direction of Highway 302/10 and driving in an easterly direction towards the Weathered Barn Curve.
Now, what does seem somewhat strange with this account is that Officer Smith seemingly, for some reason, apparently did not drive directly from Woodsville to the place of Maura´s accident, but instead opted to first go west on Rte 112, before turning around and driving back towards the Weathered Barn Curve.
Provided that the witness is right, and we really don´t have a reason to disbelieve him/her, why on earth should Officer Smith first have been going west on Rte 112 before turning around towards the location of Maura´s accident?
What was Officer Smith checking out along Rte 112 in the opposite direction before driving out to the Weathered Barn Curve?
What on earth could have been deemed to be of such importance to Officer Smith?
I have never been able to come up with as much as a decent guess regarding this matter.
Any ideas?
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whiston
Lebanon, CT
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hi all, i have always wondered if there was more than one police vehicle seen by the witness and it was assumed to be the same one.Whenever i have pulled over to let emergency vehicles pass at night i have a hard time seeing anything but lights as they pass take care philip
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looking4amoose
Woonsocket, RI
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So Philip, you're saying that Haverhill has more than one patrol car!? Just kidding..... whiston wrote: hi all, i have always wondered if there was more than one police vehicle seen by the witness and it was assumed to be the same one.Whenever i have pulled over to let emergency vehicles pass at night i have a hard time seeing anything but lights as they pass take care philip
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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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Bumping for Maura wrote: This has been discussed on several occasions previously, but I still think that it deserves some renewed attention here.
I was thinking of the so called Cottage Hospital witness, who was driving home from his/her work at the Cottage Hospital in Woodsville at about the same time as Maura´s accident occurred at the Weathered Barn Curve.
This witness was driving along Swiftwater Road/Goose Lane between Woodsville and Swiftwater when she was overtaken by Officer Cecil Smith´s police cruiser (Haverhill PD). When the witness got as far as the intersection between French Pond Road and Rte 112 at the Stage Stop Store in Swiftwater village he/she observed Officer Smith´s cruiser arriving from the direction of Highway 302/10 and driving in an easterly direction towards the Weathered Barn Curve.
Now, what does seem somewhat strange with this account is that Officer Smith seemingly, for some reason, apparently did not drive directly from Woodsville to the place of Maura´s accident, but instead opted to first go west on Rte 112, before turning around and driving back towards the Weathered Barn Curve.
Provided that the witness is right, and we really don´t have a reason to disbelieve him/her, why on earth should Officer Smith first have been going west on Rte 112 before turning around towards the location of Maura´s accident?
What was Officer Smith checking out along Rte 112 in the opposite direction before driving out to the Weathered Barn Curve?
What on earth could have been deemed to be of such importance to Officer Smith?
I have never been able to come up with as much as a decent guess regarding this matter.
Any ideas? What I've read was that Cecil Smith was not familiar with the roads, that the swiftwater this and the Swiftwater that, were confusining to him.
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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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Didn't that Cottage witness also say the two cars were nose to nose,(police to the Saturn) and that the passenger door of Maura's car was swung open? ~oh, and that no one was there? But this might give credit to a first accident where a female leaves in PV, according to the timeline of the worker who had stayed at work late, thus leaving at 7:00. According to him/her, it was 7:20. Nothing like that is recorded in the police reports that we can see.
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Bumping for Maura
Sweden
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just me wrote: Didn't that Cottage witness also say the two cars were nose to nose,(police to the Saturn) and that the passenger door of Maura's car was swung open?
~oh, and that no one was there?
But this might give credit to a first accident where a female leaves in PV, according to the timeline of the worker who had stayed at work late, thus leaving at 7:00. According to him/her, it was 7:20.
Nothing like that is recorded in the police reports that we can see. just me, I concur with you in your observation regarding the possibility of the nefarious "first accident", which is nowhere to be found in the police log. Perhaps there was a "first accident" further west on Rte 112 after all? But - if, and I repeat IF, there actually was a "first accident", why would it not appear in the official police logs? Doesn´t make any sense at all...
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just me
Saint Paul, MN
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Bumping for Maura wrote: <quoted text>
just me,
I concur with you in your observation regarding the possibility of the nefarious "first accident", which is nowhere to be found in the police log.
Perhaps there was a "first accident" further west on Rte 112 after all?
But - if, and I repeat IF, there actually was a "first accident", why would it not appear in the official police logs?
Doesn´t make any sense at all... I could only guess like anybody else. In my make believe, based on what PI's said.....it would go like this: Oh dear, I've slid off the road and there's an officer pulling up. My friend made a mad dash out the side, but the officer only saw me get into another vehicle. The officer's walking around now, so our cars are just sitting there alone when this cottage worker drives by. Somehow my car came to rest just after the curve near the weathered barn, and for some reason, Smith saw what I did with the rag. A first accident might be just scanner chatter. Once the Saturn is seen backing up parallel to the road, I think that's just about right after the W-mans called in.
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just me
Saint Paul, MN
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.....and therefore the first official call coming in to police in the subject of Maura
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looking4amoose
Woonsocket, RI
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just me wrote: .....and therefore the first official call coming in to police in the subject of Maura the first call was only reported by someone who lives in the area and wasn't introduced until much later following the accident. The person reports hearing it on the scanner....there really is no proof at all..its all hearsay.....
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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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looking4amoose wrote: <quoted text>the first call was only reported by someone who lives in the area and wasn't introduced until much later following the accident. The person reports hearing it on the scanner....there really is no proof at all..its all hearsay..... Thanks L4aM00se, I agree it's only hearsay. I thought about this a little better and if an officer was patrolling the area and did come upon a car, to the point that he'd park right up to it, wouldn't he have to call that info in, run the plates, etc. Whether or not he did and they took it off record, I don't know. But the cottage worker says she drove by a squad and another car, nose to nose, and no one around. Not even police. If that person is correct about the time, it was happening right as Cecil Smith was chasing around the wrong roads to get to the final resting spot of the Saturn. That worker saw and heard the officer as she herself drove past that nose to nose situation, and it didn't sound like it was one and the same. They explained that they had stayed a longer shift, left at 7 and it was all happening by 7:15. The times are off if this is correct. This would also mean the W-mans waited a bit before calling police, yet, CS was already on it and about to find the Saturn with no driver. Now, why he'd rush over to FW house and cry out as to where was the girl, the one with the rag.......is beyond me. Didn't he go on to say this is something that MA people do? This just goes around and around, doesn't it? I only ever entertained the idea because of the PI's fully believing the damage happened somewhere else, close to 15 minutes sooner. It made sense too that RO was walking, there was a truck looming about, trying to get a look at her.....and when she walked home, there was an officer on her street slowing to look at her too, but said "oh it's you," then moved on. Maybe none of that matters and police were just doing what they should always do.
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looking4amoose
Woonsocket, RI
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I don't mean to be pessimistic, but the possibility of seeing a local LE vehicle over there are minimal. There is an officer who lives on Swiftwater Circle but he's not local--Deputy Sheriff I think it is. Perhaps thats one of the vehicles the Cottage Hospital employee saw. On a dark night like that, I almost doubt that someone could leave Cottage Hospital, walk to their vehicle and drive up Goose Lane safely to get to that area in 15 minutes or less. I know it takes me longer in the winter to do that treck because the deer are always in the field on the right and crossing in front of you and its a very dark winding drive as well. Does the Red truck with the possible Mass plates have something to do with this---yes definitely. I think the LE stopped RO after they discovered they arrived at the vehicle and while they were searching. just me wrote: <quoted text>Thanks L4aM00se, I agree it's only hearsay. I thought about this a little better and if an officer was patrolling the area and did come upon a car, to the point that he'd park right up to it, wouldn't he have to call that info in, run the plates, etc. Whether or not he did and they took it off record, I don't know. But the cottage worker says she drove by a squad and another car, nose to nose, and no one around. Not even police. If that person is correct about the time, it was happening right as Cecil Smith was chasing around the wrong roads to get to the final resting spot of the Saturn. That worker saw and heard the officer as she herself drove past that nose to nose situation, and it didn't sound like it was one and the same. They explained that they had stayed a longer shift, left at 7 and it was all happening by 7:15. The times are off if this is correct.
This would also mean the W-mans waited a bit before calling police, yet, CS was already on it and about to find the Saturn with no driver. Now, why he'd rush over to FW house and cry out as to where was the girl, the one with the rag.......is beyond me. Didn't he go on to say this is something that MA people do?
This just goes around and around, doesn't it?
I only ever entertained the idea because of the PI's fully believing the damage happened somewhere else, close to 15 minutes sooner. It made sense too that RO was walking, there was a truck looming about, trying to get a look at her.....and when she walked home, there was an officer on her street slowing to look at her too, but said "oh it's you," then moved on. Maybe none of that matters and police were just doing what they should always do.
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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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looking4amoose wrote: I don't mean to be pessimistic, but the possibility of seeing a local LE vehicle over there are minimal. There is an officer who lives on Swiftwater Circle but he's not local--Deputy Sheriff I think it is. Perhaps thats one of the vehicles the Cottage Hospital employee saw. On a dark night like that, I almost doubt that someone could leave Cottage Hospital, walk to their vehicle and drive up Goose Lane safely to get to that area in 15 minutes or less. I know it takes me longer in the winter to do that treck because the deer are always in the field on the right and crossing in front of you and its a very dark winding drive as well. Does the Red truck with the possible Mass plates have something to do with this---yes definitely. I think the LE stopped RO after they discovered they arrived at the vehicle and while they were searching.
<quoted text> Thanks again. It helps me get a better picture and is very helpful to know the cottage witness would have to be flying to the point of a ticket maybe........some made it sound so near by, so fast to get from point A to point B.
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