Maura Murray

Renner does not confirm the information He has gained from these sources. He put it out there for people to read and either confirm or deny for Him.

He is a Sly Fox

lockerup wrote:

<quoted text>I thought CS was first to arrive and then a trooper that checked out a woman walking by the store. Who was the first one that disappeared for two hours?

Let's come up with a hypothetical situation. Someone has an accident and two people (le) respond. It is impossible to determine which of the two actually arrived first at the scene if no outside witness is present. For example, individual "A" may assume he is first responder at the scene. He may even believe individual "B" is second responder at the scene (even though individual "B" might have actually been at the site first, had left and had then returned). Individual "A" would understandably believe he is the first responder when in fact individual "B" had been at the scene first but had left and minutes later had returned. There has been much confusion and "conclusion" for almost seven years surrounding this issue. I believe in an early piece of correspondence Maura's father had inquired as to where a member of LE had been for that 2-hour period. As far as I know, this question was never answered. Has anyone heard otherwise?

lockerup wrote:

<quoted text> I've been thinking. I have a scanner I listen to and when a dispacher can't get a reply after a few tries from an officer they send another officer out to make sure the one not answering is ok. How is it possible that one can disappear for two hours without other LE being called out to search for this officer? Does'nt make sense.

You don't live in a real rural area, do you?

Bill

aftermath wrote:

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Let's come up with a hypothetical situation. Someone has an accident and two people (le) respond. It is impossible to determine which of the two actually arrived first at the scene if no outside witness is present. For example, individual "A" may assume he is first responder at the scene. He may even believe individual "B" is second responder at the scene (even though individual "B" might have actually been at the site first, had left and had then returned). Individual "A" would understandably believe he is the first responder when in fact individual "B" had been at the scene first but had left and minutes later had returned. There has been much confusion and "conclusion" for almost seven years surrounding this issue. I believe in an early piece of correspondence Maura's father had inquired as to where a member of LE had been for that 2-hour period. As far as I know, this question was never answered. Has anyone heard otherwise?

No, that question has remain unanswered and nobody seems to have been able to get to the bottom of this mystery.
Considering that we are dealing with an NHSP trooper and that the NHSP is the investigating agency of the MM case, nothing else would surely be expected from that direction.
What is particularly disappointing, though, is the total lack of interest displayed by the media and by Mr Renner in digging deeper for information about the "missing" NH state trooper.

Where did this story of a "2nd LE" originate, is it merely "unsubstantiated rumor"?

A Browser wrote:

Where did this story of a "2nd LE" originate, is it merely "unsubstantiated rumor"?

Not a story, not a rumor. It was so blatantly ignored that it makes it difficult if not impossible to forget.

A Browser wrote:

Where did this story of a "2nd LE" originate, is it merely "unsubstantiated rumor"?

No, it is fact rather than rumor, and one local Swiftwater,NH, witness (RO) actually briefly spoke with the NHSP state trooper in question at about the time of Maura´s accident at the Weathered Barn curve. That very brief conversation took place when the witness was returning home on foot from the Stage Stop Store in Swiftwater village.
Apparently the state trooper in question has never publicly explained the reason for his +2 hrs radio silence, although there may well be a report of some kind lodged in the archives of the NHSP.
Having followed Maura´s case over the last three or four years the case of the "unaccounted for" state trooper remains one of the most intriguing and potentially disquieting aspects in the context of Maura´s vanishing.

So this missing for 2 hours first responder State Trooper, no one knows who he is? They never found out what condition he found her in when he responded and then disappeared? I think I missed the whole 1st responder thing. But that is interesting, and I think therein lies the key.

Laurieisgone wrote:

So this missing for 2 hours first responder State Trooper, no one knows who he is? They never found out what condition he found her in when he responded and then disappeared? I think I missed the whole 1st responder thing. But that is interesting, and I think therein lies the key.

Actually, the name of the NHSP state trooper is publicly known (mainly through his accidental meeting with witness RO in Swiftwater village, who for various reasons was vaguely acquainted with the state trooper and recognized him).
The witness (RO) later tried to get the state trooper to discuss the somewhat disputed timing of Maura´s accident on Rte 112 (about 1 mile east of Swiftwater village), but he reportedly refused to do so.
It is generally being assumed that Officer Cecil Smith of the Haverhill, NH, PD was the first responding LE officer arriving at Maura´s car wreck at the Weathered Barn Curve.
Whether this in fact was the case obviously remains a huge question mark as a previous poster here very aptly observed earlier today.
The murkiness of this case can not be disputed, IMO.

Thanks, now I vaguely recall reading something about this a few years back.

Bumping for Maura wrote:

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No, it is fact rather than rumor, and one local Swiftwater,NH, witness (RO) actually briefly spoke with the NHSP state trooper in question at about the time of Maura´s accident at the Weathered Barn curve. That very brief conversation took place when the witness was returning home on foot from the Stage Stop Store in Swiftwater village.
Thanks, now I vaguely remember reading something about this a few years back.
Apparently the state trooper in question has never publicly explained the reason for his +2 hrs radio silence, although there may well be a report of some kind lodged in the archives of the NHSP.
Having followed Maura´s case over the last three or four years the case of the "unaccounted for" state trooper remains one of the most intriguing and potentially disquieting aspects in the context of Maura´s vanishing.

For goodness sake, wonder what state she was in when Cecil Smith the alleged first responder saw her? We hear over and over again about her condition when the SBD saw her, hair down, not usual, shaken up, etc.. but nothing from this Smith guy? I would start with him.

Laurieisgone wrote:

For goodness sake, wonder what state she was in when Cecil Smith the alleged first responder saw her? We hear over and over again about her condition when the SBD saw her, hair down, not usual, shaken up, etc.. but nothing from this Smith guy? I would start with him.

Wow. You do know that Maura was gone by the time Smith arrived, right? So many people writing who seem to have not bothered to read any of the material on hand. Reams and reams of material. Nowhere does anyone say that Smith ever saw Maura.

Bill

Too many monkeys here playing pin the missing girl on the cop. Too many people here who have not read any of the information out there about what happened and when that night. Also not too many people who seem to know what the SP did or if he was questioned but they are happy to report he wasn't. Pretty typical for armchair sleuths from what I have seen. They assume that something wasn't done simply because they don't know if it was done.

Without Wowzer and some of the other that usually hold some of this nonsense in check this board, has gone exactly where I thought it would go. Into the land of abject speculation. Now, without any regard to known information.

Hang on people, its going to be a shack kind of ride.

Bill

Laurieisgone wrote:

So this missing for 2 hours first responder State Trooper, no one knows who he is? They never found out what condition he found her in when he responded and then disappeared? I think I missed the whole 1st responder thing. But that is interesting, and I think therein lies the key.

From what I have been reading I thought the trooper came along after CS got there and offered to look along the road for her. I haven't read so far that the trooper was first on the scene. Seems odd because there was such a short time frame from when the accident happened and CS arrival. Wish bumpimg for Maura or aftermath would provide a link to these facts for the rest of us that have'nt read it.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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You don't live in a real rural area, do you?
Bill

But I do. I'm on the outskirts of Littleton and have family in Bath. That why I asked before if anyone that lived nearby where she went missing or knew the people there posted on this forum but no one has answerd my question yet. I see many out of state and out of country adresses but no one from the local area.

Laurieisgone wrote:

For goodness sake, wonder what state she was in when Cecil Smith the alleged first responder saw her? We hear over and over again about her condition when the SBD saw her, hair down, not usual, shaken up, etc.. but nothing from this Smith guy? I would start with him.

What about the phone call to Maura between "0001 hours to 2400 hours" February 9? This call associated with Londonderry Sprint tower (the call to Maura that had to have been made within a 22-mile radius of the tower). The possibility exists that this individual may have been driving north on I-93 at the time the call was made. She drove north into NH to meet someone who was driving north on I-93 from the area north of Boston. That call Maura had received may have been a final confirmation call of where they would meet and/or letting her know this person was starting the trip north. At approximately 12:55 p.m. Maura calls Wakefield (north of Boston) for information about a condo???? Then someone later phones her from an area within 22-mile radius of Sprint tower at Londonderry, NH (Londonderry NH is approximately 36-miles from the Wakefield area). There are other towns but I'm familiar with where Wakefield is located. Maura may have rejected assistance from SBD because she knew the individual who had phoned her would be traveling I-93N and then Route 112. The period 0001 to 2400 hours leaves a lot of possibilities as to when Maura received this phone call. The final destination may have been VT, but something went awry with this plan.

lockerup wrote:

<quoted text> But I do. I'm on the outskirts of Littleton and have family in Bath. That why I asked before if anyone that lived nearby where she went missing or knew the people there posted on this forum but no one has answerd my question yet. I see many out of state and out of country adresses but no one from the local area.

Well, I have two houses in NH and no, I am not going to tell anyone where except to say that one of them is in the heart of the Whites. I have spent many, many years in NH in some of the more remote areas. I have listened to scanners everywhere and have some knowledge and credentials in that regard. I can tell you that there are areas in NH that being out of radio contact, especially in those days was not something that was going to get police racing to the area. It was just too common.

Bill

lockerup wrote:

<quoted text> But I do. I'm on the outskirts of Littleton and have family in Bath. That why I asked before if anyone that lived nearby where she went missing or knew the people there posted on this forum but no one has answerd my question yet. I see many out of state and out of country adresses but no one from the local area.

I didn't see your post. Although I don't reside in Haverhill, I am in Mountain Lakes just about every weekend and for several weeks throughout the year.

WTH-the-original wrote:

<quoted text>
Well, I have two houses in NH and no, I am not going to tell anyone where except to say that one of them is in the heart of the Whites. I have spent many, many years in NH in some of the more remote areas. I have listened to scanners everywhere and have some knowledge and credentials in that regard. I can tell you that there are areas in NH that being out of radio contact, especially in those days was not something that was going to get police racing to the area. It was just too common.
Bill

Thank you for answering my question.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>I didn't see your post. Although I don't reside in Haverhill, I am in Mountain Lakes just about every weekend and for several weeks throughout the year.

That's very close to where she went missing. You would know the area well.