Maura Murray

mostly all the posters do here is dispute other posters. You said this, prove it! No, you said that prove it! Where's the document, prove it! You're right there are about 4 avenues of thought on what happened to Maura, one of them is right, because really what else can there be? Can someone explain the Putney street stuff and the Brothers from New Britain? I'm interested but not sure i get it, Are they the A-frame people? Are you saying you think they had something to do with it? And if so where are they now?

Snowy wrote:

jwb, you strongly smell of Sophie Bean. lol
but that was evident some time ago.
nothing new...same ole.

I have had 3 cups of coffee if thats what you mean. Took a bath today though

Laurieisgone wrote:

mostly all the posters do here is dispute other posters. You said this, prove it! No, you said that prove it! Where's the document, prove it! You're right there are about 4 avenues of thought on what happened to Maura, one of them is right, because really what else can there be? Can someone explain the Putney street stuff and the Brothers from New Britain? I'm interested but not sure i get it, Are they the A-frame people? Are you saying you think they had something to do with it? And if so where are they now?

unfortunately none of us can prove what happened because there are to many missing pieces. The only thing we can do is try and discuss different scenarios and try and piece in the facts that are known. Some perfer to just sit back , moderate and bash others while offering little to no input.why I don't know

Snowy wrote:

jwb, you strongly smell of Sophie Bean. lol
but that was evident some time ago.
nothing new...same ole.

Snowy you strongly smell of low tide and that was evident along time ago

things were going so well till snowy showed up. I am going back into kind mode now.

jwb wrote:

things were going so well till snowy showed up. I am going back into kind mode now.

can't fool an old dog.

just me wrote:

1. Is anyone else disturbed that Maura's father was in college when he was getting it on w/her 15 y.o. mother? Does anyone know why they split up?
I can weigh in here because I was that age when my future husband kept coming around. They were all friends with my much older sister. I do think it takes a controlling kind of man to do this to a near child. I am working on a book called "Too soon"
AS TO THE DUCT TAPE AND MM CLOSING DOWN:
I recall a video with Maura's Aunt Helena on it, and it was soon pulled from cyberspace too.
But she said, and I quote, "based on what we now KNOW, I don't think Maura is alive"
oh and to whomever signed in as linda and asked for more fruit, not funny, ok?

quote from WBZTV "Based on what I know, I believe Maura was killed," says Helena Murray of Weymouth.

Snowy wrote:

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can't fool an old dog.

I think the old dog needs to be put down (snowy) because unless sophie is a 51 year old good looking intellectual male then Bam Bing Wrong.

Aftermath,
No one knows with 100% certainty what happened, including me. It just seems that there's an element of the public that always turn the police into the scapegoat, sort of like "the butler did it." I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong.

aftermath wrote:

A Browser wrote:
"I'm not saying rogue cops don't exist, I just don't think there is one here."
A Browser,
You sound confident in your belief. I envy your confidence and wonder if you might share why you hold this belief." Thanks.

jwb wrote:

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quote from WBZTV "Based on what I know, I believe Maura was killed," says Helena Murray of Weymouth.

Thank you for getting that straight. I thought about it on the way to work and thought it was more definate.(using the word killed).

mauracomehome wrote:

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very interesting information!!!did any of the first responders in this case live alone?

Living alone is to be consider, but don't disregard the situation where the individual may have lived with someone or other (family). Girlfriend, wife or others may have been away Feb. 9 onward. Possibly away vacationing, attending a conference etc.
"While the wife's away, the "cat" (nocturnal stalker) does play."
Please forgive me, I could not resist. While popular, those Red Cross phone cards distributed to first responders were particularly popular after 9/11. Recall all of those special training workshops post-911. Many workshops, special trainings for first responders like LE, EMTs and other professionals as well). Bill, Snowy, et. al, please resist responding in a hostile or in a manner of ridicule to this post. Thanks.

Northwoodsman52 wrote:
"...she was a typical college student, decent kid and was somewhat lost in life and it got the best of her."

Northwoodsman52,
Life maybe, but possibly death. Something like Marma, there is a duality, two-fold situation involved. There's the therapeutic type and the lethal type. Since almost 7 years has passed since Maura's was reported last seen, all roads lead me to believe she may have been a Marma (the lethal type). It certainly would rank right up there with the possibility that "life got the best of her."

Northwoodsman52 wrote:
"The problem with the investigators is they have NO fact or evidence to back up the foul play theory."

Northwoodsman52,
Do you know this for certain? If your information is accurate, it sounds hopeless. Are you attempting to say that facts or "evidence" to support the rogue le officer theory may have flown to Capistrano with the swallows or in this case from Rte 112? Please clarify.

aftermath wrote:

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Living alone is to be consider, but don't disregard the situation where the individual may have lived with someone or other (family). Girlfriend, wife or others may have been away Feb. 9 onward. Possibly away vacationing, attending a conference etc.
"While the wife's away, the "cat" (nocturnal stalker) does play."
Please forgive me, I could not resist. While popular, those Red Cross phone cards distributed to first responders were particularly popular after 9/11. Recall all of those special training workshops post-911. Many workshops, special trainings for first responders like LE, EMTs and other professionals as well). Bill, Snowy, et. al, please resist responding in a hostile or in a manner of ridicule to this post. Thanks.

It's too silly a premise to bother responding to. Oops, guess not.

By the way. I was an EMT since 2001 and I never saw any red cross phone cards.

The army does, use the Red Cross extensively for contacts about problems at home, deaths, etc. They are the interviewing agency the Army uses to determine events like that.

Bill

jwb wrote:

<quoted text> I think the old dog needs to be put down (snowy) because unless sophie is a 51 year old good looking intellectual male then Bam Bing Wrong.

Maybe you had a really fast sex-change operation. So Snowy's timing was a little off. Big deal.

Snowy wrote:

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can't fool an old dog.

Old dog??? Wise owl, right? And I gotta say, that low tide remark was right out of an Emile Gruppe painting. You look at some of Gruppe's pieces and you can just smell it.

BTW, this reminds me of riding/driving into Boston many years ago from the South Shore. I can't recall the exact location but I think it was after the Roxbury left lane exit and before the Kneeland St exit. There was a canal and a maybe a railroad bridge on the east side of SE Expressway (Rt 3). The canal was lined with large blocks of stone. You could see the sludge on their sides. Man, that really stunk to high heavens sometimes. Anyone here ever recall that? Just a little nostalgic for the old days, I guess.

In the Sinclair case, they had it easy. Sort of. Just blame it on Van. Which might be right, but might be wrong. Two problems, however, if it's wrong. If Tina & Bethany Sinclair were provided safe passage from Van's alleged abuse, which they surely deserved (the passage, that is, not the abuse), then Van obviously didn't kidnap/murder them.

But the cops, if they're following a kind of preventive but fictional script here, want Van to think T&B were kidnapped and probaby killed, which would be a hard thing to accomplish. The cops, if they play along with the safe passage script (which maybe they wouldn't), are basically trying to superficially sound like they're blaming it on Van but are actually trying to leave him with the impression that T&B are dead and beyond his further interest when he gets out of jail. Therefore, Van, it is hoped, according to this scripted plan, won't be showing up unwanted on people's doorsteps looking for T&B.

Van will get out of jail some time, if he's not already out, and then what happens? If he's not responsible, he'll smell a rat right away and there are probably some people who will get a little concerned about this.

Realistically, Van's the only suspect.

In Maura's case, you can try to make her father out to be a Van, but it really has little to no basis in known fact. But that doesn't mean some group isn't trying to deter a stalker or abuser (or whatever) by fabricating a story about her probable murder by some guy from, say, Amherst. Or western MA. So they make up this story and even whisper the name of a probable killer among themselves, which leaks out a little here and there over time. And this finally gets back to the innocent guy and then it starts to become a real problem.

Oh yeah, amid all this confusing writing it's like isn't someone supposed to be at least ACTING like Bethany is terribly, terribly missed? Isn't SOME PARTICULAR PERSON supposed to be devastated? Van will figure this out fast and then there will be a real problem, and for more than one person. If Maura was provided safe passage, too, then a host of unexpected problems could arise by the way her safe passage was covered up, elaborated on. And funded.

These safe passage programs are to be highly commended. They're important and they save lives, but they must stop short of ruining an innocent person's life. Innocent people shouldn't be pushed into asking themselves, "What would Van do?"

Beagle wrote:

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Old dog??? Wise owl, right? And I gotta say, that low tide remark was right out of an Emile Gruppe painting. You look at some of Gruppe's pieces and you can just smell it.
BTW, this reminds me of riding/driving into Boston many years ago from the South Shore. I can't recall the exact location but I think it was after the Roxbury left lane exit and before the Kneeland St exit. There was a canal and a maybe a railroad bridge on the east side of SE Expressway (Rt 3). The canal was lined with large blocks of stone. You could see the sludge on their sides. Man, that really stunk to high heavens sometimes. Anyone here ever recall that? Just a little nostalgic for the old days, I guess.

Beagle thanks for the laugh. I do enjoy your posts and I am not being sarcastic.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I keep going over this but people still want to believe this myth. This might have been possible 80 years ago with low compression engines. Modern engines have such high compression that doing this is virtually impossible. The rag will blow out. Unless you are using concrete it is not possible to stall a modern engine with a rag. I know. I have tried it. I have tried it with rags and potatoes. IT WILL NOT WORK. TRY IT. I won't even go into the logistics of trying to stuff a rag into a smoking hot exhaust.
Bill

Bill,
Well...if you have to keep going over it, this would indicate there are a lot of people who are unaware of what you are actually describing. Maura may have been one of those people who did not know about the old engines & rag in exhaust demobilizing technique v. newer engines and rag won't work view which you describe. Just a possibility.

And, while I´m at it. Sharon R much later admitted the Red Cross did in fact have Billy´s cell number. WHY did she for a long time claim the opposite?