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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Usually, and again I say usually, terminal burrowing is associated with temperatures in the 40's, 50's and even in the 60's. Elderly who have trouble distinguishing how hot or cold they are fall victim to this. People outside even in temperatures that many people don't consider cold enough to die from, have a very slow deterioration of their core temperature compared to very low temperatures were the core temperature drop is very rapid. Again, this is usually the case, there are exceptions, but this is typical.
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Bumping for Maura wrote:

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Wowzer,
I absolutely concur with your opinion regarding Mr Atwood. He just tried to help Maura and ended up in a hellish position.
James Renner has also clearly expressed his opinion about this:
"Forget about Butch Atwood" is more or less how he put it in his blog quite some time ago.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Maybe I wasn't clear. The elderly I am referring to are elderly inside of houses. They have their thermostats set at 60 to save money. They can't tell they are getting colder and die inside their house. They are the ones they are talking about finding in closets. A slow drop in body temperature is usually associated with terminal burrowing or hide and die syndrome. Maura was in 20's and 30's. Her core temperature would have dropped much more rapidly.
Paradoxical undressing usually occurs because in the last stages of hypothermia the shunting and vasoconstriction that helps fend off hypothermia fails. causing a flood of warm blood to enter the extremities giving the victim the feeling of warmth. That is likely the reason they are found in various modes of undress.
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WTH-the-original wrote:

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As I have posted before. I have two places in NH. One of the places, when I would head home, I would occasionally go past SBD's house. I have personally, on several occasions have seen his school bus parked facing out. He obviously had backed in. I know personally that it was NOT unusual to see that bus parked that way. This was seen many times before I had ever heard about Maura Murray. I, to this day, don't know, have never met, any of the principles in this case. I have no reason to say such a thing unless it was true. Yes, I have written about this story several times before.
Bill

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aftermath wrote:

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"But, I see Maura's case as being a bit unique, she left town for unknown reasons other than she may have been under stress."
Northwoodsman52,
Many women who were homicide victims were possibly under a good deal of stress when they disappeared never to be seen again alive. Take for example Pamela Webb. When she was reported missing in July 1989, her pickup truck was later found on the side of the road on in the southbound lane of I-95 in Biddeford, ME. Signs of a struggle were evident near the truck. It would seem those driving by the scene should have, would have noticed something a bit unusual about a woman engaged in a struggle with someone at the side of the highway. P. Webb's body was later discovered in the woods off Route 3 in Franconia, NH. It was determined that her death was the "result of homicidal violence of an unspecified nature." I'm sure when she was struggling for her life at the side of I-95, she was under a lot of stress. I know you are referring to stress MM experienced for days prior to her disappearance. It's important to consider stress in terms of level, intensity, and duration.

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hannah_b wrote:

I´m not suggesting Maura hid under a bed or in a wardrobe and died, rather that she may have crawled under some heavy brush, rock formation or other stuff out in the woods.

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

<quoted text> It's just a shame that he could'nt have enjoyed what little time he had left in peace in his new home in Florida but the PI's even tracked him down there to question him again. A very scary, nasty mean poster that very clearly had mental problems also stated when it was told where the SBD lived that he was going to find him and ask him questions.
This is one reason why I will never give out anyone's name or address on the internet.

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Bumping for Maura wrote:

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aftermath,
Some good points there.
I have also been reading on the Pamela Webb case.
One theory being given for no passing motorists apparently reacting to a likely altercation/struggle on the shoulder of the I-95 is that a LE cruiser might possibly have been parked next to Webb´s vehicle.
A "conspiracy" theory? Perhaps, but it might make sense in this context.

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Bumping for Maura wrote:

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Wowzer,
I absolutely concur with your opinion regarding Mr Atwood. He just tried to help Maura and ended up in a hellish position.

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I too find nondocumentation the presence of the off duty trooper strange, odd and peculiar. Maybe there is documentation, though not released to the public? I also don´t know what the requirements are re paperwork when an off duty LEO stops at the site of an accident. I doubt he would have shoved Maura into his car and drove off with her in plain site of several homes though.

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NHwoodsman52 wrote:

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Valid point also I think the Brianna Maitland case in Vermont had signs of a possible struggle because a bracelet was found on the ground near the car though I'm not sure if it was identified as Brianna's. In Brianna's case some say she ran with a tough crowd in the drug scene and that perhaps she owed money. Brianna was also known to pick up hitch hikers which is playing Russian roulette. I'll have to take a look at the Webb case.
You would think if someone saw a struggle they would report it, especially after a disappearance is reported. As far as stress I think Maura may have been at the breaking point when she left Mass. and all bets are off after the second accident. Adrenaline and fear likely kicked in and both can alter clear thinking especially combined with alcohol. Adrenaline can make people do drastic things, it can be a nasty drug.

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mauracomehome wrote:

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If he was off duty,did he live nearby?what was his off duty vehicle?I ask because of the strange damage to Mauras hood.as i'd speculated before,did she crash because she was being chased?

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Shack wrote:

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He lived in Piermont, NH, next door to the then Police Chief.

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mauracomehome wrote:

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Looks like piermont NH is quite close to Route 91.Is there a gas station RIGHT off the highway in the Piermont area?Could someone have followed her from that gas station?

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

Some people have absolutely no shame or remorse for all the harm and hurt they have caused.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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This is absolutely correct and one of the reasons I started monitoring this forum. It was patently unfair that there were three people, Shack in particular who to this day. Went on for years vilifying the SBD. Publicly identifying him as a person of interest. Saying that he might have been in a conspiracy with L.E. in kidnapping, maybe even murdering and disposing of her body. And no matter how many people told her what she was doing was unfair and wrong. That it was almost certainly hurting the cause of finding Maura. She never stopped. When the police eventually verified that he was not a suspect, she still never stopped. While the SBD was alive and the police stated that he wasn't a suspect, still no apology. No recognition that he did only good. That he only tried to help. No recognition that what she had done poisoned the area. So badly that by the time she was finished, if there was any information that the locals might have known. No one in their right mind would get involved with this case. If they did they knew Shack and a couple of other would crucify them online. Even know, after his death, no apology, no recognition that all he did was try to help.
At some point I had become fed up with her and her methods and I continually and conspicuously made it a point to answer every load of crap she tried to shovel. I and others have been effective in that. I think that everyone clearly distanced themselves from here and her methods.
She pops in once in a blue moon now. Just quick hit and runs. And judging from the judge marks that I have seen. There are still plenty of people who remember her and what she did. The good thing is that everyone that knows her name, knows what her opinion is worth. We will not let new people that don't know her be swayed by her nonsense.
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Snowy wrote:

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odd, isn't it, that one individual and her posse have been so hellbent on some serious finger-pointing? not to mention their 'cop-hatred' of unknown etiology.
i admire your patience, and the persistence of Wowzer and one other to correct the public record at each turn...even if you are inadvertently engaging with a few of the same characters in disguise.'windmilling', as you mention in #23.
fortunately, i am not so inclined...and am able to conserve my energy by moving away from these sessions.
indeed, this could go on for years.