Maura Murray

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I've got lots of enery snowy. I've been eating Wheaties (the breakfast of champions) and lately have been guzzling down energy drinks to keep up with everything.
The idea is to keep the finger pointing off the innocent by catching the fabrications and outright lies so the new people can have an open mind with NEW ideas.

You can save your energy by trying to save the rest of us, but thanks for your concern. It is just ridiculousyou are saying that the we only represent the opinions of others and can be swayed one way or another without an opinion based on our own fact gathering. In speaking on my own behalf and I have said it before, that I don't harbor any side to the issues because there are to many missing facts. The SBD was the last person known to see Maura right before she vanished. Obviously on would inquire about the SBD. No one here is saying with certainty he did it or anything like that, but only discussing what is known or what has been said. Unless you were there that night,know one outside of maybe LE knows what went down. It sounds like SBD was a friend to one or more of the posters here and for that I somewhat understand the defending. Again, no one is defaming just discussing.

The scene:

Wowzer: Robin

Bill: Batman

Snowy: Cat woman

JWB: Joker

Batman is out to rid the world of evil shack and the opinions Shack is spreading on to the rest of the community and Robin is right there next to Batman in full support. Cat woman is hiding out with Alfred in the Bat cave and only pops out once in a while to show her claws .She supports the dynamic Duo but really is just there to show her claws. Cat woman was hot! oh sorry but I got off track. Shack goes into hiding for a while somewhere in Gotham city and just as the Dynamic duo were getting board the Joker came on the scene. The Dynamic Duo sprung to life and told commissioner Gorden that they were still up to the task even though they had been saving the community for 7 years. Batman said, I still have great language and I will stop the Joker in his tracks and if that Shack stops by again we will be ready as well.

The crowd gathered at the Gotham city Common and Cheered for the Duo and shouted " Thank you for saving us from Shack and the others. Their evil opinions are filtering into the community and they must be stopped."

The Joker yells out from the building tops " Let the people think!This is America and we have the freedom of speech.I believe in the people."

The people revolted against the Duo as they realized that they can determine right from wrong on their own without the suppression of the Dynamic Duo.

Throw the Joker peanuts and white light bulbs if you will.

jwb wrote:

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You can save your energy by trying to save the rest of us, but thanks for your concern. It is just ridiculousyou are saying that the we only represent the opinions of others and can be swayed one way or another without an opinion based on our own fact gathering. In speaking on my own behalf and I have said it before, that I don't harbor any side to the issues because there are to many missing facts. The SBD was the last person known to see Maura right before she vanished. Obviously on would inquire about the SBD. No one here is saying with certainty he did it or anything like that, but only discussing what is known or what has been said. Unless you were there that night,know one outside of maybe LE knows what went down. It sounds like SBD was a friend to one or more of the posters here and for that I somewhat understand the defending. Again, no one is defaming just discussing.

Sophie, your armchair sleuthing is the useless windmilling referenced in post #23. if there are so many "missing facts", and there are, it's pointless to imply guilt and engender hatred and blame against a now dead man as you are doing in the paragraph above.
why not offer your super-sleuthing services to Renner? oh, what....he's not interested.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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As I have posted before. I have two places in NH. One of the places, when I would head home, I would occasionally go past SBD's house. I have personally, on several occasions have seen his school bus parked facing out. He obviously had backed in. I know personally that it was NOT unusual to see that bus parked that way. This was seen many times before I had ever heard about Maura Murray. I, to this day, don't know, have never met, any of the principles in this case. I have no reason to say such a thing unless it was true. Yes, I have written about this story several times before.
Bill

I only mentioned what the Marottes stated they saw and that was a fact. I never drew an conclusion from it nor commented about how the bus was parked.

Snowy wrote:

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Sophie, your armchair sleuthing is the useless windmilling referenced in post #23. if there are so many "missing facts", and there are, it's pointless to imply guilt and engender hatred and blame against a now dead man as you are doing in the paragraph above.
why not offer your super-sleuthing services to Renner? oh, what....he's not interested.

Where was it implied the school bus driver was guilty? Never said it nor implied it.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Yep. Another load of crap. Never happened. More crap moving into legend, not based on fact.
Bill

In regards to the school bus being parked unusually.

Bill says load of crap never happened?? It happened wrong again Bill Maybe you should go back and read. You have been making a lot of mistakes lately and from someone that appears to know all the facts it is very alarming. You are spreading wrong information

jwb wrote:

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I only mentioned what the Marottes stated they saw and that was a fact. I never drew an conclusion from it nor commented about how the bus was parked.

Bill you say" I have no reason to say it unless its true" so are you saying that the marottes statement about the bus are wrong? And if so, how do you know this to be true? Set us all straight on the truth once and for all.you did it with the rag in the tail pipe so lets take care of this one.

You implied : The Bus was not parked unusual and are refuting a neighbor that lives across the street who sees the Bus parked every day.Are they implying the sbd guilt or are thety just making an observation?

Hi all,does anyone know what Barberas' last name is.take care philip

jwb wrote:

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You can save your energy by trying to save the rest of us, but thanks for your concern. It is just ridiculousyou are saying that the we only represent the opinions of others and can be swayed one way or another without an opinion based on our own fact gathering. In speaking on my own behalf and I have said it before, that I don't harbor any side to the issues because there are to many missing facts. The SBD was the last person known to see Maura right before she vanished. Obviously on would inquire about the SBD. No one here is saying with certainty he did it or anything like that, but only discussing what is known or what has been said. Unless you were there that night,know one outside of maybe LE knows what went down. It sounds like SBD was a friend to one or more of the posters here and for that I somewhat understand the defending. Again, no one is defaming just discussing.

Butch had already gone home, parked his bus, tried calling police from his porch was it? Then he went to his bus and stayed there until CS came up to him to talk.
And when dispatch called back, Barabara answered indide, because like I say, Butch was inside his bus at that point.

So what I'm saying is "Maura" WAS SEEN 1-2 minutes before the police rolled up. So how could Butch have done anything anyway, when he was known to be sitting in hiss bus?

Just to further this part of the aftermath....

The M_Ettes saw someone "newly crashed" walking around their car, and at some point "a flurry of activity at the trunk", lights flashing/flickering in and out side of the car. Whether or not it was before Butch pulled up, not sure. Guessing they were looking right away, as they claim that the car continued to park paralel with the road.
This is when Butch is said to have barely made out this wreck further down the road, and drove down to see if he could help, and so on.
The M_Ettes stopped looking when they saw Butch pull up, but the W_mans might have kept looking because they said they definately saw "her" just one to two minutes prior. They were said to be very shocked that she could be gone.
I thought it may have been NH "Jane" who knew the W-Mans and said that CS asked right away where's the girl, the one with the rag in her tailpipe.
I'll bet this was mistatement too. Because how could CS pull up so fast, know there's a rag stuffed up the exhaust and dash over to Faith and Tims? Then be back at his cruiser or Bronco or whatever he was driving when EMT's came upon the scene...Then dash over to SBD's?

It would be nice to get the order of things straight for once.

whiston wrote:

Hi all,does anyone know what Barberas' last name is.take care philip

The SBD's Barbara? I do whiston but as I previously stated I would never give out anyones name or address after seeing the aftermath of what happened to the people that lived near Maura's accident when their names and physical addresses were made public.
Even though Butch couldn't I hope that Barbara can at least live the rest of her life in peace and not be harrassed further with phone calls and questions. While everyone is free to do whatever I hope that consideration and compassion is shown to her.
I don't understand whiston why you would want her name, how does it matter?

Wowzer the real one wrote:

<quoted text> The SBD's Barbara? I do whiston but as I previously stated I would never give out anyones name or address after seeing the aftermath of what happened to the people that lived near Maura's accident when their names and physical addresses were made public.
Even though Butch couldn't I hope that Barbara can at least live the rest of her life in peace and not be harrassed further with phone calls and questions. While everyone is free to do whatever I hope that consideration and compassion is shown to her.
I don't understand whiston why you would want her name, how does it matter?

Wowzer,
I certainly don´t always agree with you, but absolutely concur with your post here.
I just don´t believe that we have reverted (yet again...) to discussing poor Butch Atwood and his ex-wife/girlfriend in this context.
IMHO this is a complete waste of time and effort.
Although I am of the opinion that James Renner´s MM blog is avoiding way too many pertinent aspects concerning Maura´s case, I firmly believe Mr Renner when he quite some time ago squarely proclaimed:
Forget about Butch Atwood.
Again, I concur.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

<quoted text> The SBD's Barbara? I do whiston but as I previously stated I would never give out anyones name or address after seeing the aftermath of what happened to the people that lived near Maura's accident when their names and physical addresses were made public.
Even though Butch couldn't I hope that Barbara can at least live the rest of her life in peace and not be harrassed further with phone calls and questions. While everyone is free to do whatever I hope that consideration and compassion is shown to her.
I don't understand whiston why you would want her name, how does it matter?

yes, you are well advised NOT to share information with whiston. it is by the experience of others, learned the hard way, that this poster is known to boldly share information across sources. in this instance, Wowzer, i feel certain it would be to the detriment of "Barbara", whomever she may be. not to be forgotten is that the information about credit card fraud/West Point was leaked via this poster, as well. as you know, people are not often who they claim to be in online situations.

Bill still haven't heard your explanation. you snd out peanuts and stuuf but do/t respond.

jwb wrote:

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Where was it implied the school bus driver was guilty? Never said it nor implied it.

ok then explain it?

Bill never explained school bus?

Bill takes off when asked to prove facts

bill you never answered previous questions about SBD ytou are silent and why?

you take off bill when questioned an you never answer. If you have all the facts then lay them out.
You don't and you know it. every one reading will figure it out.

ok ,Bill Wowzer and snowy present facts. we will wait and watch. what ya got, post the truth as you know it. It is your chance.

Bill already said he doesn't sbd what is up? you say you have the truth the put it out there with facts