Maura Murray

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Also from Spar:

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True story:

About 30 or so years ago, a young (early/mid 20s) fisherman on the Cape goes out with a rich summer girl. They fall in love. He proposes. She gladly accepts. Her father, who owns Bioran Medical Lab (very big at the time), flips out and totally opposes the marriage. He has a talk with the young man. He tells him no daughter of his is going to marry some stupid local fisherman. Mr. Bioran offers the young fisherman one million dollars to NOT marry his daughter, to get lost.(Fisherman declines offer and marriage is held, reception in Cohasset, IIRC.)

So, how about this possible scenario: A local (Amherst MA area) rich guy, worth a few hundred million, had a son who got Maura pregnant. She wouldn't have an abortion. The rich guy offers her big bucks (pocket change to him) to disappear. And to keep quiet. Which includes all close to her keeping quiet.

This may seem really unlikely, and may in fact be way off base, but there are some local rumors. And there is the curious message from Det. Columbo which somewhat corroborates this. But that's just a guess. However, it's not an unrealistic one. It does actually happen.

jwb wrote:

ok ,Bill Wowzer and snowy present facts. we will wait and watch. what ya got, post the truth as you know it. It is your chance.
Bill already said he doesn't sbd what is up? you say you have the truth the put it out there with facts

The facts have been stated over and over again. You're asking questions that have been answered so many times. Questions you're asking now have been answered very recently. Either you're not bothering to read anything or your purposely avoiding the answers so you can act like a big shot. Read back and you will find the answers.

Beagle wrote:

True story:
About 30 or so years ago, a young (early/mid 20s) fisherman on the Cape goes out with a rich summer girl. They fall in love. He proposes. She gladly accepts. Her father, who owns Bioran Medical Lab (very big at the time), flips out and totally opposes the marriage. He has a talk with the young man. He tells him no daughter of his is going to marry some stupid local fisherman. Mr. Bioran offers the young fisherman one million dollars to NOT marry his daughter, to get lost.(Fisherman declines offer and marriage is held, reception in Cohasset, IIRC.)
So, how about this possible scenario: A local (Amherst MA area) rich guy, worth a few hundred million, had a son who got Maura pregnant. She wouldn't have an abortion. The rich guy offers her big bucks (pocket change to him) to disappear. And to keep quiet. Which includes all close to her keeping quiet.
This may seem really unlikely, and may in fact be way off base, but there are some local rumors. And there is the curious message from Det. Columbo which somewhat corroborates this. But that's just a guess. However, it's not an unrealistic one. It does actually happen.

Beagle, what message from Det Columbo are you referring to?

Snowy wrote:

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yes, you are well advised NOT to share information with whiston. it is by the experience of others, learned the hard way, that this poster is known to boldly share information across sources. in this instance, Wowzer, i feel certain it would be to the detriment of "Barbara", whomever she may be. not to be forgotten is that the information about credit card fraud/West Point was leaked via this poster, as well. as you know, people are not often who they claim to be in online situations.

Thanks snowy. All good advice. I've also heard that this poster has made phone calls to people and asked questions that could have interfered with an investigation.
Anyone that drops in just long enough to throw a little hint of something into the pot and then sits back to see the reaction without giving any explanation is one to be leary of IMHO.

Bumping for Maura wrote:

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Wowzer,
I certainly don´t always agree with you, but absolutely concur with your post here.
I just don´t believe that we have reverted (yet again...) to discussing poor Butch Atwood and his ex-wife/girlfriend in this context.
IMHO this is a complete waste of time and effort.
Although I am of the opinion that James Renner´s MM blog is avoiding way too many pertinent aspects concerning Maura´s case, I firmly believe Mr Renner when he quite some time ago squarely proclaimed:
Forget about Butch Atwood.
Again, I concur.

That's OK if you don't agree with me all the time. I wouldn't expect you to or anyone else for that matter. I only agree with someone when I know that they are right.
At least you listen with an open mind and have some decency.
Yes it looks like we are going another full circle again with poor Butch and Barbara in the middle once again. Such a damn shame that the man can't rest in peace. The vultures have picked his bones clean and there's no one left now to blame or hunt down and question but poor Barbara.

hannah_b wrote:

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Beagle, what message from Det Columbo are you referring to?

A private communication. Maybe an unintentional disclosure on his part. But nothing near proof or solid corroboration. Just went a little in that direction.

I think - among many other possibilities - it's very possible that she's alive and someone with very deep pockets is footing the bill. But that's just speculation, nothing certain by any means. But there is also a local rumor that originates very close to the rich guy. Again, just rumor, just speculation.

There was also the intriguing suggestion, but not stated fact, a few years back that Tina Sinclair worked for this same rich guy, so maybe he helped her and her daughter disappear from an apparently horribly abusive situation. Or maybe for some other reason. Who knows?

Rumor - and only rumor - has it that the son is fond of the ladies. Maybe too fond.

But there are lots of possibilities to choose from.

Beagle wrote:

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A private communication. Maybe an unintentional disclosure on his part. But nothing near proof or solid corroboration. Just went a little in that direction.
I think - among many other possibilities - it's very possible that she's alive and someone with very deep pockets is footing the bill. But that's just speculation, nothing certain by any means. But there is also a local rumor that originates very close to the rich guy. Again, just rumor, just speculation.
There was also the intriguing suggestion, but not stated fact, a few years back that Tina Sinclair worked for this same rich guy, so maybe he helped her and her daughter disappear from an apparently horribly abusive situation. Or maybe for some other reason. Who knows?
Rumor - and only rumor - has it that the son is fond of the ladies. Maybe too fond.
But there are lots of possibilities to choose from.

http://murphymilanojournal.blogspot.com/2010/...

Beagle PLEEESE stop trying to link Tina & Maura.

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jwb wrote:

Bill still haven't heard your explanation. you snd out peanuts and stuuf but do/t respond.

Wow. It strikes me that when a few people decide that a defamation has occurred without any question. That there was bullying of a dead man before and after his death. That lies and half truth's were spread about and area and its residents. Its strikes me as terribly sad, that when people try to correct something this wrong. That they would be thought to be superheros, instead of just decent human beings.

Also you seem tho have a real passive/aggressive thing going on. First you had us then you love us. You like what we do then you have what we do. Its a real split personality psychosis going on.

Another thing I need to mention is that I am not a shut-in. I actually have a life. I go outside, I work on the fire department, I teach, I work at a job, I go places with my wife and kids. I also have hobbies that I pursue. I don't sit at the computer 24/7. In other words, I have a life. This forum is about twentieth or so on my list of things to try to look at during the day. So, there are times when I won't respond immediately. I am afraid you will have to deal with that as best you can.

Bill

oo00oo wrote:

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http://murphymilanojournal.blogspot.com/2010/...
Beagle PLEEESE stop trying to link Tina & Maura.

While I do see some potentially helpful parallels, no, as I've said before, I have no reason to think the two cases are linked in any useful, direct way.

However... was it true or not that Tina was in Amherst MA either on the day she disappeared or the day before? And was it not believed that she worked for or spent time with someone who was really, really rich?

These things don't make an actual link - you're right - but I don't see why their mere mention, speculative or not, should be a problem.

Unfortunately, around here, both the Sinclairs and Maura are basically forgotten about. Many never knew about their disappearances in the first place.

BTW, when Van signed over power of attorney to a woman from Vernon, how and why did that seem to facilitate the sale of the Mountain Rd. property? And what do you make of the string of real estate purchases along that road? And have you ever had a long conversation with the person who bought that property? Or even a long series of conversations with the person who bought several expensive properties from him just prior to his acquisition of the Mountain Rd property?

Is Van out of jail? Sounds like he has already been released. If he killed Tina and Bethany, then he probably won't go looking for them. But if he didn't, then he just might still be obsessed enough with them to search for them. And that's definitely not a good thing.

Frankly, I don't see why it's impossible for Mr. Rich to have helped the Sinclairs avoid a horrible domestic situation and then, a few years later, have paid Maura to take off for a while, keep her mouth shut, etc. I'm not saying at all that this is what happened, but it's not all that impossible. It doesn't mean that the disappearance of the Sinclairs and Maura are directly related. Far from it. It just means that there is a small possibility they share similarities, or that they overlap in some totally coincidental way. And maybe not. It's something that someone with a truly open mind might want to consider. And then reject. With reason(s). Otherwise, there's no real harm in letting it hang there unjudged, is there? You never know what might become useful or illuminative later on.

Just for the record, I'll state it again. Van is, as far as the public is concerned, the leading suspect in the disappearance of Tina and Bethany Sinclair. No doubt about it. But there are some unusual aspects that make some people wonder. Such as how come someone real close to one of the putative victims doesn't appear aggrieved, distraught, upset, scared?

It may be useful to say that Van killed Tina and Bethany, whether he did or not, but it's not so nice when people say someone not far from Amherst MA, someone completely innocent, killed Maura. Not nice at all.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

<quoted text> The SBD's Barbara? I do whiston but as I previously stated I would never give out anyones name or address after seeing the aftermath of what happened to the people that lived near Maura's accident when their names and physical addresses were made public.
Even though Butch couldn't I hope that Barbara can at least live the rest of her life in peace and not be harrassed further with phone calls and questions. While everyone is free to do whatever I hope that consideration and compassion is shown to her.
I don't understand whiston why you would want her name, how does it matter?

I could not agree with you more on this note. Her role in this was very small. She took a phone call. I'm guessing she had to answer a series of questions and one of them was likely "where is this person right now", and she may have just said "I have no idea where the girl is" or I can't see that far...or the lights have gone dim...

What good would it do to talk with her now? The only thing I've ever read coming from her was that Butch was a big man and Maura may have been intimidated by him. She also gave a little detail to a reporter about the call that came in as her husband sat outside in his bus.

From what I recall, from people who would know, because they live near by, or just simply drive by the old SBD house, said he had parked like this before. His wife usually took his spot, with her bus, but maybe her bus was not there that day or night.

One of the very first articles about Maura missing was very good, but it costs money to read from these archives online. It gave names of all the neighbors, it gave more light to what happened, and a sensible account of what was seen through each viewers eyes that night. If only the old forums were available to read, we might have a better shot at getting things straight.

I've got it saved on a laptop that I recently loaned to a friend after her surgery....so she could stay in bed and still do her pc work. But, when I get it back or next time I go over, I might look for that article, b/c I posted it on the first MM missing forum, after it was sent to me in a PM.

But still, let's leave the names out of it as much as we can. I'm a curious person too....to put it mildly.....but I understand what can happen. Whitewash quit posting,~true to her word, when she found that her address had been given out.

Beagle wrote:

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However... was it true or not that Tina was in Amherst MA either on the day she disappeared or the day before? And was it not believed that she worked for or spent time with someone who was really, really rich?
These things don't make an actual link - you're right - but I don't see why their mere mention, speculative or not, should be a problem.

No Beagle, she was NOT 50 miles away in Amherst, she was with Van in a bar, turning down his proposal. She disappeared later that evening. I'm not going to comment any further as it is totally off topic.

oo00oo wrote:

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No Beagle, she was NOT 50 miles away in Amherst, she was with Van in a bar, turning down his proposal. She disappeared later that evening. I'm not going to comment any further as it is totally off topic.

Okay, you seem to know a lot about the Sinclair case so I'll take your word for it.

In the spirit of concentrating solely on Maura's disappearance, can I please get your input? What do you think happened? Domestic problem? Opportunistic abduction/murder? Got lost and froze to death? Killed herself?

jwb wrote:

<quoted text>In regards to the school bus being parked unusually.
Bill says load of crap never happened?? It happened wrong again Bill Maybe you should go back and read. You have been making a lot of mistakes lately and from someone that appears to know all the facts it is very alarming. You are spreading wrong information

You need to explain what mistakes you think I have made.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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You need to explain what mistakes you think I have made.
Bill

Don't expect any answers from this person. He asks a lot of questions but refuses to answer any himself.
He was so upset about your and my address not being made public that I asked if he was a stalker. I also asked if he had a red truck and where was he about the time Maura went missing.
I asked twice and still haven't gotten an answer.

One last thought for the night. Picture this. Maura takes that turn too sharply, skids along the snowbanks to the left and swings around where she tries to correct herself. She stuffs the rag in the tailpipe so that if anyone finds her hidden below the car key, they won't be able to take her car, it would have to be towed. She has someone along in tandem, and the rag shows she is inside her trunk. Police can't get into the car because they need a search warrent first. The rag might also be stuffed in there so that she could stay warmer while she waits and listens for the most quiet of quiets, to get out. Anyone check footage at the impound lot? Next day Fred comes early morn, and at some point he starts the car and it starts like he expected it would.

Reminder: Fred called ahead and said he had something important to tell the police. Who knows what that could be....if he said it....or held it inside once he got there? He claims no one called him back so next opportunity would be the next day?

Also, this Chris Flynn guy. Why did he drive his car from MA to NH and park it in such a place, as though something happened to him, or maybe just a head start on his run from life? But why dump his car there and what then? Friend from hometown or something give him a lift to the bus station? Did he walk or hitch a ride.....so many oddities,(if that's how you spell it), makes me think Maura may have gotten the idea like many before and after her did.

Just thoughts, night ya'll.

And by the way,~ Thank you for not "picking on me" for coming back. I have a totally hectic schedule too but am addicted to this subject. I've also been wanting to say that I like it when everyone tosses things around. This Topix, when things are moving slow is such a drag.

I sincerely wish only the best for MR Renner, but I'm afraid he could get himself into some very hot water if he can't remain thoughtful of peoples privacy. I'm hoping that anyone who has given a snapshot, did so freely and knowly that it would possibly make it into his book he's writing. And the names. I hope they are changed just as they were in that book The Shadow of Death, by Ginsberg.

BUT_if someone could say they saw a red truck laying in wait on Monday night, up a little on Bradley Hill road, why wouldn't that be a very good lead for police and detectives? I mean, come on. This person with the dog that became spooked, was it because of the sound in the brush or trees,(or was this made up too)?,~could the hound smell fear, or was it just NOT a normal experience for the dog to come upon a parked car with someone inside or maybe taking a wiz on the side of the road, just by sheer chance?

I mean, you have a person who abandons her car, a red truck seen in two places, not to mention snowmobilers nearby getting ticketed for no use of lights, and one for no helmet (I think),

Oh well, I'm pooped out on this for tonight, bye now

Bumping for Maura wrote:

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aftermath,
Some good points there.
I have also been reading on the Pamela Webb case.
One theory being given for no passing motorists apparently reacting to a likely altercation/struggle on the shoulder of the I-95 is that a LE cruiser might possibly have been parked next to Webb´s vehicle.
A "conspiracy" theory? Perhaps, but it might make sense in this context.

I remembe reading somewhere on the web about someone posing as LE pulling people over in the lincoln area.I will work to dig that up.Thats leads me to consider a person posing as Le "pulling over" Pamela Webb,Brianna Maitland&Maura Murray.this person could be cruising the highways or spotting the victems at gas stations.Another scenerio to consider.

just me wrote:

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I could not agree with you more on this note. Her role in this was very small. She took a phone call. I'm guessing she had to answer a series of questions and one of them was likely "where is this person right now", and she may have just said "I have no idea where the girl is" or I can't see that far...or the lights have gone dim...
What good would it do to talk with her now? The only thing I've ever read coming from her was that Butch was a big man and Maura may have been intimidated by him. She also gave a little detail to a reporter about the call that came in as her husband sat outside in his bus.
From what I recall, from people who would know, because they live near by, or just simply drive by the old SBD house, said he had parked like this before. His wife usually took his spot, with her bus, but maybe her bus was not there that day or night.
One of the very first articles about Maura missing was very good, but it costs money to read from these archives online. It gave names of all the neighbors, it gave more light to what happened, and a sensible account of what was seen through each viewers eyes that night. If only the old forums were available to read, we might have a better shot at getting things straight.
I've got it saved on a laptop that I recently loaned to a friend after her surgery....so she could stay in bed and still do her pc work. But, when I get it back or next time I go over, I might look for that article, b/c I posted it on the first MM missing forum, after it was sent to me in a PM.
But still, let's leave the names out of it as much as we can. I'm a curious person too....to put it mildly.....but I understand what can happen. Whitewash quit posting,~true to her word, when she found that her address had been given out.

please don't repost articles with names to stir the pot....you can see how aggressive and unbalanced some of these posters can be by their words and actions, just me. it is highly doubtful any solution will come from this forum....ever. leave the investigation to authorities and Renner. Renner seems to respect appropriate boundaries where no-means-no.