Maura Murray

I will add... to wowzers point........ why on earth wasn't this brought up everythime someone would go in a different direction. I would think this would be the heat of the investigation wanting to know.. how did they know about the girl - down to who she was and what she was wearing. hmmmmm... so I don't know. I don't think this means the police did anything wrong. she is an adult and could have asked not give her info. if you read on project jason you will find cases like that as well.... and the police cant say a thing to the family.. its sad.. its under located and recovered

Dawn, I agree with you that the Haverhill Police Department most likely did nothing wrong, whether there was a previous accident or not.
However, I have always wondered about the NH State Police Trooper who was apparently "off the grid" for two hours. And that mysterious red truck observed by witness RO in Swiftwater certainly adds to the intrigue.

Dawn wrote:

wowzer do you think that is possible ??? they actually might have been giving her a break... and of course then they cant find her and dont want to say well... we stopped her and we let her go well aware she was drinking and driving >>>

There was only one household that said she heard a first accident. No one else heard it and there is no record of it anywhere. Common sense tells me that it didn't happen. If it came over tha scanner the police and ambulance would have been called just like they were called to where Maura went off the road. There would have been record of it through dispatch.

K-9 handler wrote:

I did fumble on the gloves.....One pair were Mauras that she had recieved as a present, but she really didn't wear them. The other pair were larger most likely mens leather gloves.
The ones used for the scent dog were Maura's though.
Sorry

K-9 where did you get that information? I don't remember hearing there were also a pair of men't gloves in her car.

Should say men's gloves

There has been accusations of logs being illegally altered and some stuff was edited out:

"The GCSD log from Feb. 9th 2004 was printed on 02/10/2004 of which I have a copy. Another GCSD log was given to the Murrays on 11/04/2004 of which I have a copy.
Why is it that these 2 reports from the same night have missing text as well as times which do not match. If it is the same log, same night, same people on duty, why should this paperwork differ 9 months later. This log is an official piece of information which has been changed for some reason and to do that is ILLEGAL. These logs are often used in criminal cases by lawyers to give them more info as well as maybe even to help find someone not guilty or for use in a conviction.
The fact that this log has been altered is a criminal offense and if in fact is found to be true would make the person or persons who did it guilty of a crime. If found to be true they should be accountable for their actions." (Det Columbo on Adv.´s old forum)

Shouldn´t they have been able to get some dna off of those mens gloves?

Through My investigation of this case. I have the list of items recovered from the car.

hannah_b wrote:

There has been accusations of logs being illegally altered and some stuff was edited out:
"The GCSD log from Feb. 9th 2004 was printed on 02/10/2004 of which I have a copy. Another GCSD log was given to the Murrays on 11/04/2004 of which I have a copy.
Why is it that these 2 reports from the same night have missing text as well as times which do not match. If it is the same log, same night, same people on duty, why should this paperwork differ 9 months later. This log is an official piece of information which has been changed for some reason and to do that is ILLEGAL. These logs are often used in criminal cases by lawyers to give them more info as well as maybe even to help find someone not guilty or for use in a conviction.
The fact that this log has been altered is a criminal offense and if in fact is found to be true would make the person or persons who did it guilty of a crime. If found to be true they should be accountable for their actions." (Det Columbo on Adv.´s old forum)

Did you get your copies from LE or did someone get them and make copies for you and others?
If they went through someone besides an authorized person then anyone could have altered them.
If you got them straight from the PD then I don't have an answer. With all the talk now and in the past has anyone bothered to call the chief and ask about it?

Unknown if those gloves were tested.

K-9 handler wrote:

Through My investigation of this case. I have the list of items recovered from the car.

Oh yeah. Here we go again Columbo with you beating around the bush.
Why was it never mentioned before about the mens gloves? Just like the red truck pulled over on BH and a women walking by. It never happened. You even told the driveway to the log cabins is where it was pulled over. It did'nt happen.
So through YOUR investigation why are you the only one that knows about the gloves. Should'nt the police know about it. Did you tell them about it? Why didn't they see the gloves???
Can you provide a link to this list so we can see it?

LE does have the glove in evidence.

Yes there was a red truck on BHR that night.

Gloves....

This is the first time I have read or heard of a pair of men´s gloves being found in the Saturn.
Could those conceivably have belonged to Maura´s father (as he apparently at some point drove the Saturn to Amherst,MA, IIRC) or a male friend of Maura´s with access to the Saturn in Amherst?
The presence of the men´s gloves might obviously also indicate a man being present in the Saturn on its way up from Amherst to Haverhill...
As for the red truck checking out witness RO in Swiftwater and the red truck apparently seen on Bradley Hill Road - surely one and the same??

K-9 handler wrote:

LE does have the glove in evidence.
Yes there was a red truck on BHR that night.

So you are saying that LE has the man's glove that supposedly was found in Maura's car?
That should be easy enough to verify.
There is no women that walked her dog by a red truck that was parked by the driveway to the log cabins.
It's pitch dark there and a secluded stretch of road. No one that lives on BH seems to know about this.

Euroobserver wrote:

This is the first time I have read or heard of a pair of men´s gloves being found in the Saturn.
Could those conceivably have belonged to Maura´s father (as he apparently at some point drove the Saturn to Amherst,MA, IIRC) or a male friend of Maura´s with access to the Saturn in Amherst?
The presence of the men´s gloves might obviously also indicate a man being present in the Saturn on its way up from Amherst to Haverhill...
As for the red truck checking out witness RO in Swiftwater and the red truck apparently seen on Bradley Hill Road - surely one and the same??

It certainly seems possible that the red truck from RO description was the same one as the one reported to LE on Bradley Hill Road.

Yes....LE has the gloves

There was a red truck on BHR that night.

It was only there for a short time so it is possible it could have gone unnoticed by residents. The red truck was noticed by a passerby who recalled seeing it.

True.......Anne

K-9 handler wrote:

Gloves....

and rubbers too.

nothing

I think he is confused with OJ. Was one glove bloody...? This site is so stupid....