Maura Murray

Advocate wrote:

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What's this about witnesses who saw the Saturn going backwards? Don't think I've seen anything about that before, can you tell us more?

JM claimed he saw the car" back up parallel to the road" from his kitchen window as he peeled an orange.

mcsmom wrote:

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I still think it came from OPR, backwards. Maybe pushed hard enough to slide, to deploy airbags.
Witnesses saw it going backwards.

I have to agree w/ Wowzer on this one. That could not have happened. I am 99.9 % sure of this one.

The statement about the car "Being in reverse" back up lights on was reported by Mr. Marrotte. He said he saw this and that wouldn't be possible if the car was @ O.P. Rd.

The car was supposedly into the snowbank and trees on the Marrotte's front lawn and this is about 400 Ft. or so from the entrance to O.P. Rd.

Advocate wrote:

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What's this about witnesses who saw the Saturn going backwards? Don't think I've seen anything about that before, can you tell us more?

I believe that it was Mr Marrotte who said that he saw Maura´s Saturn being backed up/reversed into a snowbank.
I have always kind of thought that this, if correct, would be a somewhat strange thing to happen.

So:
Could the accelerating sound that the Westmans heard have been Maura´s car reversing at some speed, and this being followed by a thud/bump when the reversing car hit a snowbank?

If this is indeed what happened, it would certainly beg the question:
Why would Maura (or whoever was driving the Saturn) exercise such a manouevre???

Ideas?

It is approx. 660 Ft. from old Peter's Rd. to Bradley Hill Rd.

Det Columbo wrote:

It is approx. 660 Ft. from old Peter's Rd. to Bradley Hill Rd.

I dont think the car was left at opr i think it was pushed from there backwards

Unless it was pushed by another vehicle, there is now way a female and maybe one male could complete that task.

There is only a slight grade to the road there so I just don't think it happened w/o help of some other vehicle. IMHO

mcsmom wrote:

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I dont think the car was left at opr i think it was pushed from there backwards

How is it possible that no one heard or saw such a commotion?
OP Rd is more of a dirt driveway than an actual road and it's next to the barn and across from the house on the corner, you know the one that heard a thump and looked out their window and called the police. They had a much better view of OPR than further down on 112 and yet they failed to see anything from their front and side windows.
I'm just having trouble picturing a car or truck pushing her car out of a tiny side road, around a curve and down 112 and no one seeing or hearing it.
While everyone has their own theories mine is that it didn't/couldn't have happened. More red herrings mcsmom?

No red herring I simply feel the car was pushed by another vehicle to it's final location.

mcsmom wrote:

No red herring I simply feel the car was pushed by another vehicle to it's final location.

Can you explain how it would be possible for the car to be pushed by the windows of the white house, around the curve and down 112 without anyone hearing and seeing this happening? Keep in mind that people there heard a thud and saw the car and called the police. There was no mention of any other car pushing Maura's. I'm sure it would have been noticed.

You don't know where OPR is, or you are slightly disoriented. OPR is past the W's approaching from the East. I'm guessing the car came straight down OPR and up the slight incline to it's final spot, with very little steering needed. Yes, past the window FW was watching from, and heard the noise from, the south side of their house.

Any local would know this.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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It was near a stand of trees by their front lawn, further down the road from the blue ribbon. Look at the pictures in the police report. I think they are pretty accurate. And you're right, what possible difference would a few feet one way or the other make.
Maura had an accident near/on that curve, refused help and then disappeared. If I was you I'd look again at those trees for marks and if they seem too large picture them 8 years ago.

Back when I helped work the case this was what I remember as well. Of all the things looked at the accident scene was the least controversial. The windshield was def NOT CRACKED by a head strike, very typical of airbag deployment.

I don't know where Det Columbo gets his information, it comes across as if he is in the know, but the facts are not as I remember them at all. Interesting.

mcsmom wrote:

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I still think it came from OPR, backwards. Maybe pushed hard enough to slide, to deploy airbags.
Witnesses saw it going backwards.

Any thoughts on why she may have been on OPR????

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I must have wrote funny or something.
Yes the police report stated: Fixed object struck "Tree".
If it struck the tree then I would think the car and the tree touched.

Ok...Was there a visual strike mark on a nearby tree?From what I've gathered nobody witnessed the aforementioned car vs tree impact.

Snowy wrote:

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i think the waiting may be upwards of an additional 8-10-15-20 years before a random clue or physical evidence appears. a book will be published; perhaps some facts will be established.
Renner's research / discoveries are at least matched to verified sources, or they should be; otherwise, "research" becomes more pointless speculation and fiction.
i am not salivating over any "possible clandestine rendezvous"...and agree that any "new name" requires more than casual identification. one must be pretty certain before naming any individual to avoid libel.
while i am interested in what has become of MM, i don't find mystery and sleuthing to be generally entertaining pursuits as some do here...but more importantly, it's not productive when speculation is based on partial and misinformation. so be it.

Snowy,
Why does any discussion about MM&the many scenerios possible spin you into a droll diatribe?Whats your agenda here?If this all bores you so much you may want to go lie down.

mauracomehome wrote:

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Any thoughts on why she may have been on OPR????

Is there a possibility of any cell phone coverage on that street?

mcsmom wrote:

No red herring I simply feel the car was pushed by another vehicle to it's final location.

Some form of road rage/Chase maybe?with Tv's,radios,dishwashers etc Maybe the neighbors didnt hear it all.And its possible they werent all peering off into the darkness,at their windows after dinner.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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This makes the least sense of all I've read so far. OPR is flat ground. How could her car have slid backwards?
And if it did like you think then how was it found beyond that on 112?

Magnets.

Det Columbo wrote:

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When You see Aftermath ask him about a present He gave Me. Then We can be on the same page.

I don't know Aftermath, but I've listen to it. I think "Under My Thumb" is on it.

Det Columbo wrote:

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The accident report was filled out SIX (6) days later. Just to clarify that.

IIUC, the final or formal report was completed six days later. That report relied on an organized set of notes made at the scene shortly after the responder arrived.

This is probably a really stupid question, but just to be totally clear... Why was a crash report written? I understand why a preliminary report was compiled at the scene, but how was it determined that a crash worth writing about actually occurred? Do Haverhill police write and file formal crash reports in the case of cars that have simply gone off the road? How are they certain that the damage happened at the scene? Not trying to rehash the ten million possible crash events, but would like to know when police submit a formal report and when, in the case of abandoned cars simply gone off the road, they write only a preliminary report and leave it at that.

Det Columbo wrote:

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The accident report was filled out SIX (6) days later. Just to clarify that.

Another load of crap. It was POSTED, six days later. I would expect that everything in the report is accurate and correct on that date that the accident occurred. Certain items needed to be investigated before the entire report could be finished and posted. It looks to me like he was being through. I suspect you will try to spin it as he was being irresponsible.

Bill