Maura Murray

Molly Bish and Holly Perainen both murdered by the same sicko...

aftermath wrote:

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Madwife,
Molly Bish? Although a strong attempt had been made to link the two cases...MM and MB...none exists. There are also a lot of domestic violence cases....these should not be linked to MM, LC, PW, etc., cases.

You sound so certain.Explain?

I strongly suspect that aftermath is a (gasp) troll. JMHO.

Det Columbo wrote:
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The accident report was filled out SIX (6) days later. Just to clarify that.

Det Columbo,
Maybe there was a 6-day delay because it did take a while to interview witnesses. I'm surprised it was not longer than 6 days because I think someone had commented that the contractor(?) had not been interviewed until 10? days after Maura's Saturn had slid off Route 112. Still it would seem that at least something about reporting to the scene the date, etc., brief description of what was found, not found (Maura); disposition of vehicle, etc. License plate number, color and make, model of car. Anything that could have been written about pertaining to that one evening; little note of some sort, dated and signed. My understanding is that it was a very busy evening because of road conditions.

Lady Gray wrote:

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Well, forgive me for responding to a question you pose to Mcsmom, but your posting caught my attention as you obviously were reading during those days....and, yes, there was discussion about the "scanner call" that was heard prior to the SBD call. Responders headed out.
The call was then cancelled saying that the driver had left in a POV and no need to respond. It would have cancelled EMS/fire; however, law enforcement would have still been mandated to respond. So, what you're saying is somewhat close to the discussions. It could be that the car had slid off the road and then "righted itself" and took off again. Which explains why law enforcement was seen prior driving arounds the roads. Law enforcement would have arrived and gone "what the heck" where did they did go? They eventually discover the car.....at the barn area with no driver.
I personally believe she was accidently run off the road...this was the first call. And then, what happened to her? This also explains why there's been a discrepancy between it being said it was at 7:00 pm and also at 7:30 pm.

How very odd. If I remember correctly you were one of the small group that ran the first MMforum from he*l and I think your hubby had something to do with LE. Here's a poster that saying some very strange and disturbing things ***No one will search the Fairlee area or so it seems. It would be quite a task, that's for sure. Possibly, someone will accidentally trip over some of the bodies; usually fishermen, some unsuspecting individual walks onto the scene.*** and all you want to talk about is a car going off the road and a discrepancy in time with the very person making these statements. This leads me to think that :
1 You know the poster and know they are making this crap up
2 You don't give a rats ass about finding Maura
3 It's one of the group
Mcsmom has no trouble arguing with me about the position of a road but has nothing to ask or say to someone that's been making such incriminating statements concerning bodies, areas where they can be found etc.etc.
Beyond strange.

aftermath wrote:

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Snowy,
Periodically, you come across as someone who actually knew Maura and disliked her for whatever reason. Whether or not you want to believe a serial killer exists, that's your decision. Serial killers exist, some have been apprehended. So you enjoy your denial. Instead of using reasoning maybe you might consider flogging something, anything. Maybe spread some moth flakes on your head and flog away? This would be about the speed of your thought processor, plus you could enjoy the fragrance of the flakes. Happy flogging, Snowy.
PS:..and please take a break from blaming the victim. That gets old after almost 8 years of hearing it. Wonder how many have an idea who this guy (road warrior) actually is? My guess you have a good idea too. Disgusting, isn't it? Most are frightened to report him? The rest want to protect him? Make everything clean again? Make potential scandal go away. Good luck with that! So you continue to try to redirect people away. It will not do much good.

Blaming the victim. I like that. It sounds terrible, doesn't it. We use to call it taking individual responsibility. I wonder. If Maura had just stood by her car. Waiting for the police to arrive, instead of running from the scene. Would we be doing any of this? Makes you kind of wonder, when people take actions of their own volition. Against what is dictated by convention. And then others that like to blame, police, people in the area, etc.

Bill

Advocate wrote:

I strongly suspect that aftermath is a (gasp) troll. JMHO.

Adv, I guess that makes you White Noise too... Sounds like a really cool rock band.

Roz shoem post Dec 2010

"Let's make this simple. There is a strong possibility that there is a high-functioning, overly confident psychopathic male who is very familiar with the western New Hampshire and Vermont area who is causing people to disappear. He is familiar with the people, overly socialized and is particularly familiar with the Sterling College area and Montgomery area. While he does not live in that area now there is the possibility that he lived there in the past. He visits that area occasionally. He has excellent knowledge of what police investigators look for in terms of evidence during an investigation and therefore knows what not to leave behind. He also knows how to redirect the focus from himself. This individual is in great physical condition, takes pride in his appearance. The person who took Maura from the area has expertise, special training in calming people. Maura had absolutely no fear of getting into his car. She felt safe for several reasons. This person is rational....and his behavior is deliberate and intentional. He is not insane but let's just say his behaviors are very similar to those characteristic of a psychopath. His behavior is purposeful and makes sense to him in light of his intended goals. There is irony in your comment about her fear of being caughter possibily overriding her fear of strangers, given the demographics of this man. My guess is that Maura considered this very irony as she got into his car. She may have even chuckled to herself considering the irony and context of the situation. I would have done the same thing. I would have got into that car. "

aftermath wrote:

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Madwife,
Molly Bish? Although a strong attempt had been made to link the two cases...MM and MB...none exists. There are also a lot of domestic violence cases....these should not be linked to MM, LC, PW, etc., cases.

There has been no link between MM and the other cases by LE

can anyone direct me to posts made by "OH MY" I once found them but can't seem to locate.

Thanks

jwb wrote:

Roz shoem post Dec 2010
"Let's make this simple. There is a strong possibility that there is a high-functioning, overly confident psychopathic male who is very familiar with the western New Hampshire and Vermont area who is causing people to disappear. He is familiar with the people, overly socialized and is particularly familiar with the Sterling College area and Montgomery area. While he does not live in that area now there is the possibility that he lived there in the past. He visits that area occasionally. He has excellent knowledge of what police investigators look for in terms of evidence during an investigation and therefore knows what not to leave behind. He also knows how to redirect the focus from himself. This individual is in great physical condition, takes pride in his appearance. The person who took Maura from the area has expertise, special training in calming people. Maura had absolutely no fear of getting into his car. She felt safe for several reasons. This person is rational....and his behavior is deliberate and intentional. He is not insane but let's just say his behaviors are very similar to those characteristic of a psychopath. His behavior is purposeful and makes sense to him in light of his intended goals. There is irony in your comment about her fear of being caughter possibily overriding her fear of strangers, given the demographics of this man. My guess is that Maura considered this very irony as she got into his car. She may have even chuckled to herself considering the irony and context of the situation. I would have done the same thing. I would have got into that car. "

Roz/aftermath is once again pointing to the trooper by mentioning those locations. Wonder what that trooper did to him.

jwb wrote:

Roz shoem post Dec 2010
"Let's make this simple. There is a strong possibility that there is a high-functioning, overly confident psychopathic male who is very familiar with the western New Hampshire and Vermont area who is causing people to disappear. He is familiar with the people, overly socialized and is particularly familiar with the Sterling College area and Montgomery area. While he does not live in that area now there is the possibility that he lived there in the past. He visits that area occasionally. He has excellent knowledge of what police investigators look for in terms of evidence during an investigation and therefore knows what not to leave behind. He also knows how to redirect the focus from himself. This individual is in great physical condition, takes pride in his appearance. The person who took Maura from the area has expertise, special training in calming people. Maura had absolutely no fear of getting into his car. She felt safe for several reasons. This person is rational....and his behavior is deliberate and intentional. He is not insane but let's just say his behaviors are very similar to those characteristic of a psychopath. His behavior is purposeful and makes sense to him in light of his intended goals. There is irony in your comment about her fear of being caughter possibily overriding her fear of strangers, given the demographics of this man. My guess is that Maura considered this very irony as she got into his car. She may have even chuckled to herself considering the irony and context of the situation. I would have done the same thing. I would have got into that car. "

Methinks Rozshoem and aftermath are wannabe profilers or competing to be Psychic of the Year. There's nothing in these posts that tells us anything about why Maura disappeared or under what circumstances. Total speculation, and much less productive than most of the discussions.

hannah_b wrote:

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Adv, I guess that makes you White Noise too... Sounds like a really cool rock band.

Gosh the White Noise group seems to be growing.
That would be a cool name for a rock band.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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How very odd. If I remember correctly you were one of the small group that ran the first MMforum from he*l and I think your hubby had something to do with LE. Here's a poster that saying some very strange and disturbing things ***No one will search the Fairlee area or so it seems. It would be quite a task, that's for sure. Possibly, someone will accidentally trip over some of the bodies; usually fishermen, some unsuspecting individual walks onto the scene.*** and all you want to talk about is a car going off the road and a discrepancy in time with the very person making these statements. This leads me to think that :
1 You know the poster and know they are making this crap up
2 You don't give a rats ass about finding Maura
3 It's one of the group
Mcsmom has no trouble arguing with me about the position of a road but has nothing to ask or say to someone that's been making such incriminating statements concerning bodies, areas where they can be found etc.etc.
Beyond strange.

What good would it do for me to ask why incriminating statements are made? Am I in a position to challenge Aftermath? I think not. I'm interested in truth not confrontations. I'm interested in where is Maura Murray. I'm not interested in volleying back and forth with postings. Don't direct this back at me.

I don't have a clue who Aftermath is. Of course I give a rat's ass about Maura Murray being found. I don't give a rat's ass about what "White Noise" thinks....and my Hubby is not part of area law enforcement.

The sterling information is out there in the cyber stratosphere and any poster is free to interpret or misinterpret that possible connection. Forest management. Proximity to Montgomery and NH Rte 112. Maybe missing time on the docket. A running/triathlon connection. Psychics who perceive than two women were killed by one person. Another intuitive who sees MM buried in a "tar" lake. Granite.

I'm just a realistic fiction writer with an overactive imagination.(You're right Snowy -- guilty as charged.)

But I've always wondered if Red Cross administration would call someone at 7AM? What is the cell phone coverage like in Craftsbury? And kidnapping across state lines would be cause to bring in the FBI.

jwb wrote:

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I never thought I would be on the same list as Wowzer and WTH and snowey. Rofl

Cool. I'm in good company.

Bill

Frostman wrote:

The sterling information is out there in the cyber stratosphere and any poster is free to interpret or misinterpret that possible connection. Forest management. Proximity to Montgomery and NH Rte 112. Maybe missing time on the docket. A running/triathlon connection. Psychics who perceive than two women were killed by one person. Another intuitive who sees MM buried in a "tar" lake. Granite.
I'm just a realistic fiction writer with an overactive imagination.(You're right Snowy -- guilty as charged.)
But I've always wondered if Red Cross administration would call someone at 7AM? What is the cell phone coverage like in Craftsbury? And kidnapping across state lines would be cause to bring in the FBI.

Frostman,
Just an observation. You´re writing about a "tar" lake here, which could of course also refer to Lake Tarleton, not too far south (as the crow flies) from the WB curve on Rte 112 in Swiftwater.
Just a thought.

Det Columbo wrote:

Molly Bish and Holly Perainen both murdered by the same sicko...

Columbo, I see no relation between Brianna Maitland and Maura. From reports Brianna ran with some seedy people and there were rumors she owed money. I think there were also indications of a struggle at the scene as some of her personal effects were found outside the car. Brianna had also been assaulted by another girl days or a few weeks before her disappearance. Someone could have been put up to Brianna's disappearing.

Brianna was also known to pick up hitchhikers, though I have a feeling her abductor was known to her. I feel she didn't leave on her own as she left paychecks, contacts, and headache medication behind.

Her accident scene was odd and may have been staged. Sadly the Vermont trooper that first arrived dropped the ball on this one. The report as I remember was days late and the parents were not notified for days and if I remember right they didn't even initially hear it days after from LE!
Whats your opinion on any relationship as this has been debated off and on on the forum.

Forum once again seems to be entering the twilight zone.
I called Rite Aid and they are willing to give a forum discount on Prozac, PROBLEM SOLVED! If this keeps up count me in!

jwb wrote:

Roz shoem post Dec 2010
"Let's make this simple. There is a strong possibility that there is a high-functioning, overly confident psychopathic male who is very familiar with the western New Hampshire and Vermont area who is causing people to disappear. He is familiar with the people, overly socialized and is particularly familiar with the Sterling College area and Montgomery area. While he does not live in that area now there is the possibility that he lived there in the past. He visits that area occasionally. He has excellent knowledge of what police investigators look for in terms of evidence during an investigation and therefore knows what not to leave behind. He also knows how to redirect the focus from himself. This individual is in great physical condition, takes pride in his appearance. The person who took Maura from the area has expertise, special training in calming people. Maura had absolutely no fear of getting into his car. She felt safe for several reasons. This person is rational....and his behavior is deliberate and intentional. He is not insane but let's just say his behaviors are very similar to those characteristic of a psychopath. His behavior is purposeful and makes sense to him in light of his intended goals. There is irony in your comment about her fear of being caughter possibily overriding her fear of strangers, given the demographics of this man. My guess is that Maura considered this very irony as she got into his car. She may have even chuckled to herself considering the irony and context of the situation. I would have done the same thing. I would have got into that car. "

there is no evidence to affirm, in the public view, abduction or homicide.