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i do. and webbed feet trudging in poopy. it goes round and round and round.
Is this water-fowl obsession unique to this particular forum? Or is it an American thing we neither have nor want in the UK?
Like Justin Beiber, that crazy Palin woman and the KKK?
Seriously, Sir, maybe you should get out more.
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Snowy wrote:
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i do. and webbed feet trudging in poopy. it goes round and round and round.
Oh, and you do know 'Poppy' isn't actually my real name, right? Any more than your parents called you Snowy.

Doesn't making fun of someone's online moniker plumb new depths of both childishness and utter pointlessness?

Well done.
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Seriously, poppy. If you had taken the time to read every thread on every forum that preceded this one, maybe you would understand why the dislike of ducks and why newbies aren´t welcomed with open arms by all. There have been so many posters with so many theories they believe are new and outside of the box. They never are. Go do your homework and chances are you´ll get a nicer response. Unfortunately many of the old threads and fora are gone, but some are still available.
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Seriously, poppy. If you had taken the time to read every thread on every forum that preceded this one, maybe you would understand why the dislike of ducks and why newbies aren´t welcomed with open arms by all. There have been so many posters with so many theories they believe are new and outside of the box. They never are.
Maybe you should stop hijacking someone else's private grief or set up a closed forum solely so you and your (extremely virtual) friends can discuss what you like without distracting people who might be researching something for a genuine reason?

That's a ridiculous attitude and no different to me being puerile, rude and unpleasant to you because I once a knew a different woman called Hannah who I believed to be a granny-basher.

Or that you have no right to visit London because you are not a Londoner and you haven't taken the time to read 9000 pages of my subjective account of the city's history.

In addition, will someone please tell me what 'duck'
Means to you. Even Urban Dictionary doesn't help and, while it's endearing and exciting to have secret societies and made up words when you're 10, adults doing it in the public domain is both intriguing and so comedic I HAVE to know.

Much obliged.
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I actually expected helpful and agree icons. Or at least a peanut.
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I´m trying hard to keep an open mind as for what happened to Maura after her crash at the Weathered Barn curve on Rte 112 in New Hampshire.

My impression, though, is that quite a few posters on this board are more keen on peddling their own favourite theory/theories, rather than discussing Maura´s case without blinkers and set ideas.

Highly regrettable indeed!
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Poppy wrote:
Advocate, I agree with everything you say. At the very heart of the matter is a young woman who is missing and the friends and family who live with the lack of her each and every day.
Had she have disappeared before mobile telephony and prior to the birth of the internet, those that knew of her would have slowly lain a blanket of empathy and reasonable assumption over her dwindling memory. And those that knew of her through TV, radio and word of mouth would be far fewer than those who know her name today.
On the plus side, the reach of information is broad enough to embrace the world and news travels fast. Sympathy, detective work and curiosity help raise unprecedented awareness and missing people can and are found quickly as a direct result.
However, it's also easier for conspiracies to grow and for people to claim a sort of 'ownership' over someone else's tragedy because they get something themselves from the status they achieve as head of a forum family.
It's a fine line between moral decency and moral panic just as it is between doing the right thing and being self-righteous.
There are clearly some very balanced, rational people here (as on other forums) but I do think it's pertinent to make the observation, as an outsider, that this tragedy is not the property of a forum but is, instead, very human.
It's a sad thing when people's egos eat their empathy. I sometimes think people are so determined to see their own opinion validated that they come across as wishing the most brutal and terrifying end possible for the poor girl and I find the voyeurism a bit disturbing.
Poppy, that was the best post of the 7k. well said
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Bumping for Maura wrote:
I´m trying hard to keep an open mind as for what happened to Maura after her crash at the Weathered Barn curve on Rte 112 in New Hampshire.
My impression, though, is that quite a few posters on this board are more keen on peddling their own favourite theory/theories, rather than discussing Maura´s case without blinkers and set ideas.
Highly regrettable indeed!
Bumping

I really think it is a very select few that are impeding good back and forth conversation and exploring all avenues but the select few . I think it is time to get back to the topic of Maura.
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sorry for the half sentence above. I retracted a line but not the whole line.

Poppy= maybe you can take the floor in getting back to conversation of Maura.
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I actually expected helpful and agree icons. Or at least a peanut.
Since you didn't ask, m'dear, I'm a Features Writer for a UK lifestyle magazine. Full-colour, glossy, pick it up at the supermarket checkout,'my ordeal at hands of crazy stalker','my daughters husband is now a bird called Carol', here's a heartwarming story about a little boy's love for a goat called Barry, that sort of thing.

In March, it will be three years since an attractive, hard-working, popular young woman called Claudia Lawrence simply vanished from the streets of York as she made her way to work one morning. No one knows what happened to her. A body has never been found and, while police suspect foul play, no trace of her or her fate has ever been found.

Within days of her disappearance, social media was awash with people spouting the most vile, upsetting and poisonous (unsubstantiated) allegations about her character and her family. The conspiracy theories were equally rife with pyjama clad agropphobic keyboard warriors claiming such far fetched things as masonic rituals and alien abductions.

After a while, these posters were dealt with. Threads were removed and people were warned that such activity can be criminal.

However, it got us thinking: What has social media done to genuine compassion? While we concluded that it can be a marvellous means to a positive outcome, for the police as well as for victims, missing people, and their relatives, we also became aware of a disturbing trend.

We observed as people began to assume ownership over victims and missing people they never knew. We watched as these people justified their actions by accusing and hinting at dark deeds among family members (Madeleine McCann, anyone) and we recoiled as we noticed how another person's hardship became a hunting ground for insecure bullies who, devoid of status in their real lives, viewed arm-chair detecting forums as hunting grounds for their peculiar brand of vulture-trolling.

This March, we intend to run a feature on this very thing to coincide with Claudia's disappearance. I outlined much of the angle in a previous post. I was fishing.

Fortunately, I landed you and Snowy who are as prime an example as I have ever seen of the behaviour I describe.

Thank you for helping me do my job. My ultimate aim is that people might read the piece and find their hearts again. That they might start to think about Claudia, about Maura, about all the poor missing girls and their loved ones, instead of feeding their own inadequacies from a feast of human pain.

I wish believed that could happen but, like you, I think some people just see what they want to see.

I sincerely hope you are able to reconnect with the real world at some point but I imagine it's easier to find power on the internet than risk rejection in the real world.

Good luck, though.

Never did find out what a 'duck' is but, hey,'they even make up their own secret language to prevent people of differing opinions question their deluded beliefs' should do it.

My condolences to the missing and all those who miss them.

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Yes....It is supposed to be about Maura.
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Poppy wrote:
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Oh, and you do know 'Poppy' isn't actually my real name, right? Any more than your parents called you Snowy.
Doesn't making fun of someone's online moniker plumb new depths of both childishness and utter pointlessness?
Well done.
did i first write "poopy"? no, i did not.
you must develop a sense of humour, duckie.

“Just tell yourself, Duckie, you're really quite lucky!”~ Dr. Seuss

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Poppy wrote:
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Maybe you should stop hijacking someone else's private grief or set up a closed forum solely so you and your (extremely virtual) friends can discuss what you like without distracting people who might be researching something for a genuine reason?
That's a ridiculous attitude and no different to me being puerile, rude and unpleasant to you because I once a knew a different woman called Hannah who I believed to be a granny-basher.
Or that you have no right to visit London because you are not a Londoner and you haven't taken the time to read 9000 pages of my subjective account of the city's history.
In addition, will someone please tell me what 'duck'
Means to you. Even Urban Dictionary doesn't help and, while it's endearing and exciting to have secret societies and made up words when you're 10, adults doing it in the public domain is both intriguing and so comedic I HAVE to know.
Much obliged.
Gee they don't have ducks in the UK? You know they are the birds that have webbed feet and feathers. They swim around in ponds and poop all over everything including the water. They don't seem to mind swimming in their own poop either. They also waddle around biting the butt of anything that gets in their way.
Strange creatures don't you think?
Another strange thing is that someone comes from another country and jumps into a new forum (to them)and starts telling posters that have been here for years how they should act, going so far as to tell them they should set up a closed forum for themselves.
You have no idea of the history and until you take the time to read all the past posts you shouldn't condemn anyone.
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Poppy wrote:
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Since you didn't ask, m'dear, I'm a Features Writer for a UK lifestyle magazine. Full-colour, glossy, pick it up at the supermarket checkout,'my ordeal at hands of crazy stalker','my daughters husband is now a bird called Carol', here's a heartwarming story about a little boy's love for a goat called Barry, that sort of thing.
In March, it will be three years since an attractive, hard-working, popular young woman called Claudia Lawrence simply vanished from the streets of York as she made her way to work one morning. No one knows what happened to her. A body has never been found and, while police suspect foul play, no trace of her or her fate has ever been found.
Within days of her disappearance, social media was awash with people spouting the most vile, upsetting and poisonous (unsubstantiated) allegations about her character and her family. The conspiracy theories were equally rife with pyjama clad agropphobic keyboard warriors claiming such far fetched things as masonic rituals and alien abductions.
After a while, these posters were dealt with. Threads were removed and people were warned that such activity can be criminal.
However, it got us thinking: What has social media done to genuine compassion? While we concluded that it can be a marvellous means to a positive outcome, for the police as well as for victims, missing people, and their relatives, we also became aware of a disturbing trend.
We observed as people began to assume ownership over victims and missing people they never knew. We watched as these people justified their actions by accusing and hinting at dark deeds among family members (Madeleine McCann, anyone) and we recoiled as we noticed how another person's hardship became a hunting ground for insecure bullies who, devoid of status in their real lives, viewed arm-chair detecting forums as hunting grounds for their peculiar brand of vulture-trolling.
This March, we intend to run a feature on this very thing to coincide with Claudia's disappearance. I outlined much of the angle in a previous post. I was fishing.
Fortunately, I landed you and Snowy who are as prime an example as I have ever seen of the behaviour I describe.
Thank you for helping me do my job. My ultimate aim is that people might read the piece and find their hearts again. That they might start to think about Claudia, about Maura, about all the poor missing girls and their loved ones, instead of feeding their own inadequacies from a feast of human pain.
I wish believed that could happen but, like you, I think some people just see what they want to see.
I sincerely hope you are able to reconnect with the real world at some point but I imagine it's easier to find power on the internet than risk rejection in the real world.
Good luck, though.
Never did find out what a 'duck' is but, hey,'they even make up their own secret language to prevent people of differing opinions question their deluded beliefs' should do it.
My condolences to the missing and all those who miss them.
Poppy
all I can say is that blew me away!! Just awesome

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did i first write "poopy"? no, i did not.
you must develop a sense of humour, duckie.
“Just tell yourself, Duckie, you're really quite lucky!”~ Dr. Seuss
I think it was mcsmom that called her poopy. LOL
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Snowy wrote:
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did i first write "poopy"? no, i did not.
you must develop a sense of humour, duckie.
“Just tell yourself, Duckie, you're really quite lucky!”~ Dr. Seuss
Snowy, do you think SBD killed her? Or was it the state trooper?(wink, wink)
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But Snowy....I shall be putting your words properly into print. Isn't that what you've always wanted?

I came here to state my purpose and ask some open and honest questions.

Thanks to you, it would seem I now don't have to.

Further thanks go to other posters for demonstrating that such behaviour is confined to a distinct minority, that people do genuinely care and that the vast majority of folk the world over are decent and rational.

The one thing I have left to ask, Snowy, is why do you do this? However, I suspect answering that truthfully would take you to a place you're too terrified to go.

It's also midnight here and I'm maybe too tired to give you a fair hearing. Or maybe I fear finding the rabid self-justification coupled with outstanding social dysfunction too chilling.

Thank you all for having me and good luck. I hope Maura found peace and that, one day, her family can too.

Farewell.

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Lordy, just signed in and for a minute there thought I was on the Ducks Unlimited forum.

If you were looking out your window into the pitch black New England night, could you tell the difference between a burning cigarette and a Samsung SPH-A620 cell phone with a COLOR LCD display? At say... 75 feet away?

On the Disappeared show the reenactments of "MM" using her cell phone use a cell phone with an orange display but the MMM website states that the cell phone had a color display.

Perhaps MM was smoking a cigarette? Yes she was, by all accounts, vehemently opposed to smoking but I've known a few non-smokers to keep a couple of smokes in the glovebox to mask the smell of booze on the breath. That and the mythically magical 3 copper pennies.

Presumably, if it was a cigarette, it had to be MM because FW stated they stopped observing the situation after BA came along in his school bus.

Just trying to help rule out a cigarette smoking man in the car before BA came along.

How on earth did The Biebs end up in the same sentence as SP and the KKK?
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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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You have no idea of the history and until you take the time to read all the past posts you shouldn't condemn anyone.
Amen to that!

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Poppy wrote:
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, it will be three years since an attractive, hard-working, popular young woman called Claudia Lawrence simply vanished from the streets of York as she made her way to work one morning. No one knows what happened to her. A body has never been found and, while police suspect foul play, no trace of her or her fate has ever been found.
Within days of her disappearance, social media was awash with people spouting the most vile, upsetting and poisonous (unsubstantiated) allegations about her character and her family. The conspiracy theories were equally rife with pyjama clad agropphobic keyboard warriors claiming such far fetched things as masonic rituals and alien abductions.
After a while, these posters were dealt with. Threads were removed and people were warned that such activity can be criminal.
However, it got us thinking: What has social media done to genuine compassion? While we concluded that it can be a marvellous means to a positive outcome, for the police as well as for victims, missing people, and their relatives, we also became aware of a disturbing trend.
We observed as people began to assume ownership over victims and missing people they never knew. We watched as these people justified their actions by accusing and hinting at dark deeds among family members (Madeleine McCann, anyone) and we recoiled as we noticed how another person's hardship became a hunting ground for insecure bullies who, devoid of status in their real lives, viewed arm-chair detecting forums as hunting grounds for their peculiar brand of vulture-trolling.
This March, we intend to run a feature on this very thing to coincide with Claudia's disappearance. I outlined much of the angle in a previous post. I was fishing.
Fortunately, I landed you and Snowy who are as prime an example as I have ever seen of the behaviour I describe.
Thank you for helping me do my job. My ultimate aim is that people might read the piece and find their hearts again. That they might start to think about Claudia, about Maura, about all the poor missing girls and their loved ones, instead of feeding their own inadequacies from a feast of human pain.
I wish believed that could happen but, like you, I think some people just see what they want to see.
I sincerely hope you are able to reconnect with the real world at some point but I imagine it's easier to find power on the internet than risk rejection in the real world.
Good luck, though.
Never did find out what a 'duck' is but, hey,'they even make up their own secret language to prevent people of differing opinions question their deluded beliefs' should do it.
My condolences to the missing and all those who miss them.
Poppy what would you think if a few on that street had tried to help this young woman by either giving her shelter in their home or maybe calling the police to report that they saw someone abducted.
And then a group on the internet accuses all the people that tried to help of having something sinister to do with her disappearance. They are accused of some horrible things including killing her. The only person that actually stopped to help her lived a life of hell because of the accusations that were aimed at him until the day he died. These people were called some horrible names by a small group of people that spent every minute bashing them to death for years.And all they tried to do was to help.
Strangers, PI's, family, friends harrassed these people beyond reason by questioning them over and over. And accusing them over and over.
And a small group on the internet stood up for the people that tried to help. And those people were also beat up by a certain few everytime they tried to help the people that helped the girl.
What do you think about that Poppy? Honestly.

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