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Snowy wrote:

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truer words never spoken.

NHwoodsman52 wrote:

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I don't know, it sounds like there has to be more than alcohol unless she was slobbering drunk just about nightly. Alcohol abuse is not all that uncommon in the military especially with young enlisted troops. The stress of discipline, the separation from family, and unfamiliar surroundings. Generally they try to help you, but the academy may hold them to higher standards.
I wonder if it could have been a psychiatric eval that got her out, usually those are kept under tight wraps. She may not have been able to handle the pressure. Alcohol could have been the reason given but only one of the components. The military is usually tight lipped and any info leaked out is generally through the rumor mill which is anything but reliable.

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hannah_b wrote:

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Buying alcohol on someone elses credit card perhaps? Guess we´ll never know, but considering she allegedly had been caught using someone elses cc at UMass, and her RA reportedly knew about it, maybe a similar incident wouldn´t be too farfetched.
But your post certainly makes sense, so who knows. Don´t quite see how it would be a honor code violation, though.

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Fred knew more than he let on, for one of the first statements to be, I hope she didn't do the squaw walk is ominous. NO ONE would say that unless they had reason to believe it to be a possibility. Then he backtracked and I have always felt for two reasons, Maura and family image, perhaps his own, and he may have felt if they believed she committed suicide they may not commit as many resources in finding her.

Det Columbo wrote:

JWB.....
The rest area in Hartford does have facilities. It is at the hub of routes 91/89/10/4/5. Plenty of different exit strategies.
John

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jwb wrote:

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wonder what took him so long to call?

NHwoodsman52 wrote:

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I don't know, it sounds like there has to be more than alcohol unless she was slobbering drunk just about nightly. Alcohol abuse is not all that uncommon in the military especially with young enlisted troops. The stress of discipline, the separation from family, and unfamiliar surroundings. Generally they try to help you, but the academy may hold them to higher standards.
I wonder if it could have been a psychiatric eval that got her out, usually those are kept under tight wraps. She may not have been able to handle the pressure. Alcohol could have been the reason given but only one of the components. The military is usually tight lipped and any info leaked out is generally through the rumor mill which is anything but reliable.

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He was also very early on pushing the "local scumbag" angle, which IIRC he started doing in April 2004.

mcsmom wrote:

Scarinza has been quoted several times as saying her black backpack was missing from the car.
How does he know she had a backpack with her right up to the WB accident scene?
Who saw the backpack in the car at the WB prior to her disappearance?

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Fred's mouth, another use for Duct tape. Like I said before, the worse thing you can do is allow an emotional family member to be the voice piece to the media and in Fred's case the media as well as LE. Its usually best to involve a third party as family spokesperson that's not emotionally involved and is articulate.
Fred knew more than he let on, for one of the first statements to be, I hope she didn't do the squaw walk is ominous. NO ONE would say that unless they had reason to believe it to be a possibility. Then he backtracked and I have always felt for two reasons, Maura and family image, perhaps his own, and he may have felt if they believed she committed suicide they may not commit as many resources in finding her.
You know between Maura and her death in the family excuse ( herself ), Fred's squaw walk statement and the chapter in the book " not without peril " that was marked with her brothers picture a question of life or death ( which has been hotly debated ) I believe are all pointing to one thing that I feel was on her mind and her trip was to come to a conclusion about her life. Maura had a lot of failures in recent times, West Point, her dads car crash, and then the one in N.H., her drinking, her relationship, and whatever else. All small pieces of a puzzle that when added up become much more relevant.

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<quoted text>I uld be wrong, but I thought I read credit card fraud somewhere.

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I don't think Maura was looking for a room. I think she made it look like that so she could call one of these numbers to be transfered to the room or condo resisdent(s)

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AcidHouseMartin wrote:

I am very fortunate that the very many acts of misadventure I engaged in between the ages of 14-23 didn't result in something very serious.
About 80% of people I know are equally as lucky.
Had I have gone missing, my family would've searched high and low. They would've left no stone unturned and they certainly would have put finding me above the feelings of others.
I imagine having a missing child makes you do some pretty strange stuff. I mean, unemployment plus a keyboard seems sufficient to induce multiple personality disorder on here so a lost daughter? It's a real shame that people can't be the right kind of victims, isn't it? The selfish bastards.
Shaun.

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just me wrote:

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Agreed, but this was after Brianna Maitland went missing some 90 miles away in VT. The FBI had come in by this point to see if the two disappearances could be linked. Maybe it was really confusing to him and frightful. Why he said Local, I'll never know.
But what I always recall are those first words spoken over and over again. He said "if they'd only have gone East, she'd be here with me now" and "this is where she should have turned", maybe it was him looking for Maura when she wasn't where she was supposed to be.
Also, she knew somebody well enough to spend New Years in NH! Who were these people? Some time back I found a post written by one of the mothers who said their daughters were told not to talk about this. Wish I could find that again b/c it might be worth something.
I don't think Maura was looking for a room. I think she made it look like that so she could call one of these numbers to be transfered to the room or condo resisdent(s)
More later
And that was waaaaayyyyyyyy before the knife and A frame drama.

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NHwoodsman52 wrote:

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The honor code violation could have been an excuse due to the eval. The military due to privacy usually keeps those under the radar. It could have been both, I doubt as with most of Maura's mystery's we'll likely never know. I feel there was a lot more to Maura's problems at West Point and in her life than we'll ever know and that's why Fred and the family kept running interference. I don't think Maura was a bad person at all, but like many young adults had a tendency to be her own worse enemy.

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jwb wrote:

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Th reason I was interested in what Bill and snowy thought about what scarzienza stated is because Bill ,snowy and wowzer get real nasty to posters when they bring up another thought of what happened to Maura. When you bring up the idea that she may have been picked up by another vehicle they call it fantasy in that there are no facts that say anything other than her walking away.
Scarzienza has more facts than any of us and he stated he feels she may have been picked up.
I am open to all senarios but please refrain from being vicious when someone else sees things differently .