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Jan 10, 2012
 
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yes, of course...he can't be too specific. it's a luxury to have an impromptu interview that is shared with the public...with thanks to renner.
agree- it is a start and a good one.

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Jan 10, 2012
 
JWB....or anyone else who is interested.

This is a good page to start with to get a look at a very good possibility 99% that there is or was a Serial Killer out there.

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there are many factors in this case that make an abduction much less possible than would be in a normal situation. Namely the possible window of opportunity as well as Maura's very erratic behavior.
window of opportunity .... was like a nanosecond? no problem if it was all preplanned, but unlikely for a murderous maniac to just happen along at that very moment.

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Warmest New England winter on record, IIRC. Previous winter was coldest.
No flies on your memory! No so great for the ski resorts.
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Renner writes:
" 'I got the call at 6 a.m. on Wednesday morning from the chief of police in Haverhill,' recalls Scarinza."
That call would have been from Chief Williams possibly nursing a bad hangover?
wonder what took him so long to call?
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window of opportunity .... was like a nanosecond? no problem if it was all preplanned, but unlikely for a murderous maniac to just happen along at that very moment.
The window is wider than you think if she was abducted while walking. I don;t think she was abducted at the car for the reason you give.

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JWB....
Here is the link to Unsolved Missing & murdered
http://snewzer.tripod.com/id1.html
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Jan 10, 2012
 
When police asked Fred what might have been going on in his daughter's life that would make her want to leave, he would only say, "That's not important. She's missing. Find her." Scarinza sighs. "If we understood why she left, maybe we could understand where she was going."

Classic Fred.
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Jan 10, 2012
 
Renner = Palindrome.

No wonder that self-righteous Limey was so upset about Sarah Palin!
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jwb wrote:
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wonder what took him so long to call?
Did Haverhill PD call UMass PD before calling NHSP? UMass parking sticker was current on the Saturn.
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Jan 10, 2012
 
I would think the protocol would have been to call the nhsp
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if not true this would mean that Whiston is a barefaced liar. I have often wondered about this. Why would Whiston make up a story like this? Also ouija supported Whiston in the telling of the credit card theft from cadets story.
According to Renner she was asked to leave WP b/c of an honor code violation involving alcohol. The WP Honor Code, from Wikipedia:
"A cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do."

Definitions of the tenets of the Honor Code:
LYING: Cadets violate the Honor Code by lying if they deliberately deceive another by stating an untruth or by any direct form of communication to include the telling of a partial truth and the vague or ambiguous use of information or language with the intent to deceive or mislead.

CHEATING: A violation of cheating would occur if a Cadet fraudulently acted out of self-interest or assisted another to do so with the intent to gain or to give an unfair advantage. Cheating includes such acts as plagiarism (presenting someone else's ideas, words, data, or work as one's own without documentation), misrepresentation (failing to document the assistance of another in the preparation, revision, or proofreading of an assignment), and using unauthorized notes.

STEALING: The wrongful taking, obtaining, or withholding by any means from the possession of the owner or any other person any money, personal property, article, or service of value of any kind, with intent to permanently deprive or defraud another person of the use and benefit of the property, or to appropriate it to either their own use or the use of any person other than the owner.

TOLERATION: Cadets violate the Honor Code by tolerating if they fail to report an unresolved incident with honor implications to proper authority within a reasonable length of time. "Proper authority " includes the Commandant, the Assistant Commandant, the Director of Military Training, the Athletic Director, a tactical officer, teacher or coach. A "reasonable length of time" is the time it takes to confront the Cadet candidate suspected of the honor violation and decide whether the incident was a misunderstanding or a possible violation of the Honor Code. A reasonable length of time is usually considered not to exceed 24 hours.

To have violated the honor code, a Cadet must have lied, cheated, stolen, or attempted to do so, or tolerated such action on the part of another Cadet. The procedural element of the Honor System examines the two elements that must be present for a Cadet to have committed an honor violation: the act and the intent to commit that act. The latter does not mean Intent to violate the Honor Code, but rather the Intent to commit the act itself.

Below from www.west-point.org/users/usma1983/40768/docs/...
"Cadets who are found guilty of violations of the Honor Code are either allowed to resign or required to stand trial by court-martial. Cases of trial are comparatively rare, for most erring cadets prefer to leave the Academy quietly. Records of all alleged violations in which the evidence does not warrant trial are kept in a confidential file as long as the cadet remains at the Academy. When he leaves, this file is destroyed."
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whitenoise wrote:
When police asked Fred what might have been going on in his daughter's life that would make her want to leave, he would only say, "That's not important. She's missing. Find her." Scarinza sighs. "If we understood why she left, maybe we could understand where she was going."
Classic Fred.
truer words never spoken.
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Renner = Palindrome.
No wonder that self-righteous Limey was so upset about Sarah Palin!
ha!ha!
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jwb wrote:
I would think the protocol would have been to call the nhsp
They tried to reach Maura's father, but not UMass PD?
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whitenoise wrote:
When police asked Fred what might have been going on in his daughter's life that would make her want to leave, he would only say, "That's not important. She's missing. Find her." Scarinza sighs. "If we understood why she left, maybe we could understand where she was going."
Classic Fred.
He was also very early on pushing the "local scumbag" angle, which IIRC he started doing in April 2004.
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Frostman wrote:
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It was above zero that day -- 35.6 degrees F In SJB, VT. Close, same elevation.
http://www.farmersalmanac.com/weather-history...
Locals may remember what the temperature was like...?
we had a heater fan and ac malfunction last year, along with a car that seems tightly sealed...it tends to hold moisture in the interior. so in both the cold and heat, i experienced the problem i mentioned. it may or may not have any bearing on MM's situation.
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hannah_b wrote:
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According to Renner she was asked to leave WP b/c of an honor code violation involving alcohol. The WP Honor Code, from Wikipedia:
"A cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do."
Definitions of the tenets of the Honor Code:
LYING: Cadets violate the Honor Code by lying if they deliberately deceive another by stating an untruth or by any direct form of communication to include the telling of a partial truth and the vague or ambiguous use of information or language with the intent to deceive or mislead.
CHEATING: A violation of cheating would occur if a Cadet fraudulently acted out of self-interest or assisted another to do so with the intent to gain or to give an unfair advantage. Cheating includes such acts as plagiarism (presenting someone else's ideas, words, data, or work as one's own without documentation), misrepresentation (failing to document the assistance of another in the preparation, revision, or proofreading of an assignment), and using unauthorized notes.
STEALING: The wrongful taking, obtaining, or withholding by any means from the possession of the owner or any other person any money, personal property, article, or service of value of any kind, with intent to permanently deprive or defraud another person of the use and benefit of the property, or to appropriate it to either their own use or the use of any person other than the owner.
TOLERATION: Cadets violate the Honor Code by tolerating if they fail to report an unresolved incident with honor implications to proper authority within a reasonable length of time. "Proper authority " includes the Commandant, the Assistant Commandant, the Director of Military Training, the Athletic Director, a tactical officer, teacher or coach. A "reasonable length of time" is the time it takes to confront the Cadet candidate suspected of the honor violation and decide whether the incident was a misunderstanding or a possible violation of the Honor Code. A reasonable length of time is usually considered not to exceed 24 hours.
To have violated the honor code, a Cadet must have lied, cheated, stolen, or attempted to do so, or tolerated such action on the part of another Cadet. The procedural element of the Honor System examines the two elements that must be present for a Cadet to have committed an honor violation: the act and the intent to commit that act. The latter does not mean Intent to violate the Honor Code, but rather the Intent to commit the act itself.
Below from www.west-point.org/users/usma1983/40768/docs/...
"Cadets who are found guilty of violations of the Honor Code are either allowed to resign or required to stand trial by court-martial. Cases of trial are comparatively rare, for most erring cadets prefer to leave the Academy quietly. Records of all alleged violations in which the evidence does not warrant trial are kept in a confidential file as long as the cadet remains at the Academy. When he leaves, this file is destroyed."
I don't know, it sounds like there has to be more than alcohol unless she was slobbering drunk just about nightly. Alcohol abuse is not all that uncommon in the military especially with young enlisted troops. The stress of discipline, the separation from family, and unfamiliar surroundings. Generally they try to help you, but the academy may hold them to higher standards.

I wonder if it could have been a psychiatric eval that got her out, usually those are kept under tight wraps. She may not have been able to handle the pressure. Alcohol could have been the reason given but only one of the components. The military is usually tight lipped and any info leaked out is generally through the rumor mill which is anything but reliable.
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whitenoise wrote:
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if not true this would mean that Whiston is a barefaced liar. I have often wondered about this. Why would Whiston make up a story like this? Also ouija supported Whiston in the telling of the credit card theft from cadets story.
it is doubtful either of them made up such a story.
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NHwoodsman52 wrote:
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I don't know, it sounds like there has to be more than alcohol unless she was slobbering drunk just about nightly. Alcohol abuse is not all that uncommon in the military especially with young enlisted troops. The stress of discipline, the separation from family, and unfamiliar surroundings. Generally they try to help you, but the academy may hold them to higher standards.
I wonder if it could have been a psychiatric eval that got her out, usually those are kept under tight wraps. She may not have been able to handle the pressure. Alcohol could have been the reason given but only one of the components. The military is usually tight lipped and any info leaked out is generally through the rumor mill which is anything but reliable.
Buying alcohol on someone elses credit card perhaps? Guess weŽll never know, but considering she allegedly had been caught using someone elses cc at UMass, and her RA reportedly knew about it, maybe a similar incident wouldnŽt be too farfetched.

But your post certainly makes sense, so who knows. DonŽt quite see how it would be a honor code violation, though.

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