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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text>
The Goshen stuff is interesting. Why would that be such a big secret? And what about the poster that claimed she had a relative who owned a house in Bethlehem. Did s/he know something? I checked this out, and it really is true. It was her mother´s cousin, Gary M, who passed away in 2009, a few months after Laurie. Maybe he was the relative with a red truck as well? Do you know if the house was seasonal or an all year round residence? Maybe somebody had keys and there was a party up there over the Christmas break? If you Google map Woodsville to Bethlehem the obvious route is 302 to I-93, but Rte. 112/116 is also given as an option. Perhaps MM decided halfway up I-91 that she didn't have enough money to go to Stowe and that Bethlehem was an option? She had keys or maybe knew how to get in? Maybe somebody did call her en route and convince her to meet him up in Bethlehem? I'm not suggesting family necessarily, but possibly someone who had been at a/the party? FM might have thrown out Bartlett as a ruse so people wouldn't go snooping around up in Bethlehem. Also Goshen could have been thrown out there as well to confuse people? Goshen... Goshen Road?
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just me
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jwb wrote: <quoted text>
Just me, did Fred use the word "They'd" and are you referring to the disappeared series? Well, he wanted to know "what did your guys do" http://articles.boston.com/2009-02-08/news/29...
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just me
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"She was just 200 yards down the road when [police] got there, two minutes worth," he said. "All they had to do is go grab her and they didn't. If they did, she'd be here with me now."
Fred Murray has been critical of state investigators because he believes they didn't look for his daughter quickly enough and were slow to follow up on leads. They aren't telling him what they're doing, he said, or if any progress has been made.
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jwb wrote: <quoted text>
IWho knows how maura was treated when she wrecked freds Car and stayed at the motel that night. I am sure he was sound asleep when he was awoken to the news that his car was trashed. He may have unleashed on Maura that night and is withholding what happened that night. Not even the saintliness of parents being awoken in the middle of the night to hear that your brand new car has been crashed is going to say: no worries, sweetie, we'll deal with it in the morning. There would have some reaction and probably more stress on MM. As for calling the insurance and finding out if it would be covered... our insurance agent is a friend and we have his home phone number. If there was an accident, we could call him on a Sunday morning. Also most insurance have 24 1-800 numbers.
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Since: Dec 11
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NO helicopters til Wednesday is correct. And understandable. She wouldn't have been officially missing til Tues. night at 7:30 PM or so. John
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just me
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jwb wrote: In watching a little bit of the disappeared series. Scarzienza states that the NHSP had a helicopter up in the air the next morning. That makes more sense than the nhsp getting involved on wed. He must have meant to say that he got a call at 6am on tues morning from Chief Williams. Wasn't it 36 hours or so before they took to the air search? I'm thinking they had the road blocked off on Tues afternoon, but, can't be sure of this.
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jwb
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Frostman wrote: <quoted text>
Do you know if the house was seasonal or an all year round residence? Maybe somebody had keys and there was a party up there over the Christmas break?
If you Google map Woodsville to Bethlehem the obvious route is 302 to I-93, but Rte. 112/116 is also given as an option. Perhaps MM decided halfway up I-91 that she didn't have enough money to go to Stowe and that Bethlehem was an option? She had keys or maybe knew how to get in?
Maybe somebody did call her en route and convince her to meet him up in Bethlehem? I'm not suggesting family necessarily, but possibly someone who had been at a/the party?
FM might have thrown out Bartlett as a ruse so people wouldn't go snooping around up in Bethlehem. Also Goshen could have been thrown out there as well to confuse people? Goshen... Goshen Road? very interesting post. Never considered that she may have gone up 116 to bethleham. That would be a long haul by foot but of course she had no options unless a ride came along. I am trying to remember if there is a sign that has the miles on it ie 20 miles to bethleham etc.. I know there is one further back on 112 that tells you how many miles to Woodstock/Lincoln. It was never said a search of Bethleham was made and she wasn't familiar with that section of rt 112. I don't feel that fred was trying to distract anyone from Bethleham. Why would he want to distract from finding his daughter and what info pointed to Bethleham? She may have never stayed there before knows.She did however make a call to the owners of the Bartlett Condo. I have a pure speculative different theory on the Condo call. I have no facts what so ever so I'll keep it to myself.
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jwb
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just me wrote: <quoted text>
Wasn't it 36 hours or so before they took to the air search? I'm thinking they had the road blocked off on Tues afternoon, but, can't be sure of this. I will go back and look at the clip again
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just me
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Frostman wrote: <quoted text>
Just Me,
It was in one of Renner's blogs that he reported that FM did not want MM's gal pals to speak to Renner. In another of Renner's blogs he said that one of the friend's mothers said that MM was possibly in Goshen, NH for New Years. Renner also wrote that when LE learned about Goshen, they went to that house to see if MM was there, but to no avail. Has anyone read or know any more about this?
BR's mother, SR, stated on the Disappeared feature that MM spent time with them at Thanksgiving, 2003 and in 2004... but she didn't actually say "New Years". Perhaps it's possible that MM was in NH in late 2003 or early 2004?
Any clarification by anyone would help. You're right, it was in MR Renner's blogspot that I learned of Maura spending New Years in NH. I wondered aloud here if Billy came with her or not. There's only a week between Christmas and New years.....and how did she get there if she didn't drive? Does anyone else recall MMM people saying that Maura had gone to a clinical and had to borrow "scrubs"? NO, it turned out NOT to be scrubs.....it was a warmer coat of sorts for Maura to wear seeing as how they were stranded somewhere overnight. So IF Maura borrowed a coat, why did MMM always say it was scrubs until somehow, someway they spoke up to that it was a "coat" after all. They poo-poo'd this saying, oh. Maura got a phone call (or made it) to that person she did clinicals with. She was merely returning the scrubs the day she took off to NH. I've wondered if this was the same number that left a message the day before. They investigated that call......hope it was truthful responce and not the "I don't want to get her into trouble" one. But they were all told to keep quiet so maybe that's why they downplayed this statement.
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just me
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Frostman wrote: <quoted text>
Not even the saintliness of parents being awoken in the middle of the night to hear that your brand new car has been crashed is going to say: no worries, sweetie, we'll deal with it in the morning. There would have some reaction and probably more stress on MM.
As for calling the insurance and finding out if it would be covered... our insurance agent is a friend and we have his home phone number. If there was an accident, we could call him on a Sunday morning. Also most insurance have 24 1-800 numbers. Reminds me of Freds appeal to Maura once missing. He said something like "this is me Maura, whatever this is we can pound away at it until we can fix it...like we always do. Makes me wonder if she ditched him. Why doesn't anyone ever check Freds rental for milage, GPS locations on Sunday, Monday and even Tuesday?
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jwb
Lincoln, NH
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just me wrote: <quoted text>
Wasn't it 36 hours or so before they took to the air search? I'm thinking they had the road blocked off on Tues afternoon, but, can't be sure of this. you might be right on that. All Scarzienza says is that they got a helicopter up the next morning and that might be wed.It appears they were searching on foot on tues. If that is the case, the NHSP were on it before Wed. I assume that Chief Williams prob talked to Scarzienza prior to Wed. Anyone have the timeline for sure on that?
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jwb wrote: In watching a little bit of the disappeared series. Scarzienza states that the NHSP had a helicopter up in the air the next morning. That makes more sense than the nhsp getting involved on wed. He must have meant to say that he got a call at 6am on tues morning from Chief Williams. "HAVERHILL, NH - Nancy Lyon and her canine partner, a 3-year-old malinois, Quicklie, spent most of Thursday morning scouring a section of Route 112 for a missing 21-year-old Hanson, Mass., woman. Lyon and Quiklie are members of the New England K-9 Search and Rescue group. They were one of three canine teams taking part in the search for Maura Murray, a nursing student at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. They were unable to turn up any sign of the missing college student. A ground and air search coordinated by New Hampshire Fish and Game failed to turn up any clues in Murray's disappearance Thursday." This was in the Caledonian Record in Feb. 04 And this in July 04: "Scarinza also said when Murray left Massachusetts, she had with her a box of wine, and bottles of vodka, Kahlua and Bailey's Irish Cream. The box of wine, most of which had spilled, was found in the car. Some of the other bottles were not found....Scarinza has said Murray told police his daughter was suicidal. However, the first mention of Maura being suicidal was in a press release issued by Haverhill Police Chief Jeff Williams two days after Maura's car accident and disappearance. Murray says he never told police his daughter was suicidal. "I want to set the record straight," he said. "Scarinza is using (Howe's book) to reinforce his suicide theory. It's nothing like that. "Maura liked the book," he said. "She was making her way through it. The reason she liked the book was because she likes several different areas in the White Mountains. There are all kinds of landmarks. That's all it was." Although he is upset about Scarinza's comments, Murray isn't surprised. "If he goes with the suicide theory, that means nothing happened on his turf and during his watch," Murray said. "However, when you have a bad guy (involved), it's in (Scarinza's) back yard and he can't solve it." "He's pushing it hard," he continued. "He's to the point he's making things up." Rausch, equally upset with Scarinza's comments, says, "It's pretty pathetic that 41/2 months later, the state police want to secure the evidence." She says it's comparable to the state police not searching for Maura until 36 hours after she disappeared. "They never did a forensics study," Rausch said. "And Lt. Scarinza is providing a lot of misinformation to the public - including that she ran away to a new life; she froze to death; she committed suicide." "When I lay awake at night," she continued, "I wonder how well Lt. Scarinza is sleeping." And Rausch is adamant when she says she never told Scarinza about "Not Without Peril." "That angers me because this is just another thing that is a lie," she said. "Why didn't he ask me what that meant?" Rausch was referring to Maura saying the book was her favorite. "She told me (the White Mountains are) a favorite place she likes to go," she said, adding Maura told her,ÔAnd most of all it's my favorite place on earth.'" Scarinza could not be reached for comment Friday afternoon.
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jwb
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Det Columbo wrote: NO helicopters til Wednesday is correct. And understandable. She wouldn't have been officially missing til Tues. night at 7:30 PM or so.
John Ok, that makes sense then why Williams called first thing Wed Morn. The 24 hour period.
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jwb
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Not So wrote: <quoted text>
"HAVERHILL, NH - Nancy Lyon and her canine partner, a 3-year-old malinois, Quicklie, spent most of Thursday morning scouring a section of Route 112 for a missing 21-year-old Hanson, Mass., woman.
Lyon and Quiklie are members of the New England K-9 Search and Rescue group. They were one of three canine teams taking part in the search for Maura Murray, a nursing student at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
They were unable to turn up any sign of the missing college student.
A ground and air search coordinated by New Hampshire Fish and Game failed to turn up any clues in Murray's disappearance Thursday." This was in the Caledonian Record in Feb. 04
And this in July 04: "Scarinza also said when Murray left Massachusetts, she had with her a box of wine, and bottles of vodka, Kahlua and Bailey's Irish Cream.
The box of wine, most of which had spilled, was found in the car. Some of the other bottles were not found....Scarinza has said Murray told police his daughter was suicidal.
However, the first mention of Maura being suicidal was in a press release issued by Haverhill Police Chief Jeff Williams two days after Maura's car accident and disappearance.
Murray says he never told police his daughter was suicidal.
"I want to set the record straight," he said. "Scarinza is using (Howe's book) to reinforce his suicide theory. It's nothing like that.
"Maura liked the book," he said. "She was making her way through it. The reason she liked the book was because she likes several different areas in the White Mountains. There are all kinds of landmarks. That's all it was."
Although he is upset about Scarinza's comments, Murray isn't surprised.
"If he goes with the suicide theory, that means nothing happened on his turf and during his watch," Murray said. "However, when you have a bad guy (involved), it's in (Scarinza's) back yard and he can't solve it."
"He's pushing it hard," he continued. "He's to the point he's making things up."
Rausch, equally upset with Scarinza's comments, says, "It's pretty pathetic that 41/2 months later, the state police want to secure the evidence."
She says it's comparable to the state police not searching for Maura until 36 hours after she disappeared.
"They never did a forensics study," Rausch said. "And Lt. Scarinza is providing a lot of misinformation to the public - including that she ran away to a new life; she froze to death; she committed suicide."
"When I lay awake at night," she continued, "I wonder how well Lt. Scarinza is sleeping."
And Rausch is adamant when she says she never told Scarinza about "Not Without Peril."
"That angers me because this is just another thing that is a lie," she said. "Why didn't he ask me what that meant?"
Rausch was referring to Maura saying the book was her favorite.
"She told me (the White Mountains are) a favorite place she likes to go," she said, adding Maura told her,ÔAnd most of all it's my favorite place on earth.'"
Scarinza could not be reached for comment Friday afternoon. fantastic post- so many inconsistencies it is amazing. sometimes you wonder if stuff is thrown out there to trip people up. I am referring to the booze angle. I wonder if Renner is getting it wrong? there have been a few things he has posted that don't add up. Beagle pointed out that there were no bars in the vicinity of the vassi accident. Crazy isn't it
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just me
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NOT SO POSTED.....in part And this in July 04: "Scarinza also said when Murray left Massachusetts, she had with her a box of wine, and bottles of vodka, Kahlua and Bailey's Irish Cream. The box of wine, most of which had spilled, was found in the car. Some of the other bottles were not found... How do they know she had the bottles when she left MA? She may have dropped that stuff off when she went back to campus. Because she went back to campus according to the confusing timeline. It's reported that Maura went to the ATM and Liq BEFORE she was seen leaving campus in her car. In fact, that part isn't even clear. They mostly say she was seen leaving campus around 4, by a fellow dorm mate. And what do they mean SOME of the bottles were gone? They were ALL gone. The wine was all that was there.
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jwb
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Ok, that makes sense then why Williams called first thing Wed Morn. The 24 hour period. Columbo,(not so) post says Thursday for the search. were you there at the search and is the caledonian wrong?
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jwb wrote: <quoted text>
very interesting post. Never considered that she may have gone up 116 to bethleham. That would be a long haul by foot but of course she had no options unless a ride came along. I am trying to remember if there is a sign that has the miles on it ie 20 miles to bethleham etc.. I know there is one further back on 112 that tells you how many miles to Woodstock/Lincoln.
It was never said a search of Bethleham was made and she wasn't familiar with that section of rt 112.
I don't feel that fred was trying to distract anyone from Bethleham. Why would he want to distract from finding his daughter
and what info pointed to Bethleham? She may have never stayed there before knows.She did however make a call to the owners of the Bartlett Condo.
I have a pure speculative different theory on the Condo call. I have no facts what so ever so I'll keep it to myself. I don't think she'd try to get there on foot after the car crash, but it could explain why she was on that road. If she had an AAA map perhaps it looked as if that route was easier. If she had Googled the route to either Bethlehem or Bartlett it would take her up I-91 and then east on I-93. Unless she changed her plans in mid-trip or was beginning to have car trouble and decided to get off the Interstate. There was a family press conference made from Bethlehem perhaps because it was close to where the car was towed? It was hannah_b who posted about the possible Bethlehem connection. One could speculate that the Stowe and Bartlett condo calls were an intentional red herring so that if anyone came looking they wouldn't find her where she really was going with a paramour? Or alone? Or to self inflict harm upon herself? Purely conjecture though.
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jwb
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I may have answered my own question. The initial search used Bloodhounds. Is the Not so post referring to the later search ?
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just me
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and also, not so: Fred did call ahead stating he had something imperative to say to police. Sharon witnessed and repeated that Fred said oh no, I hope she isn't doing the old squaw walk, like he might when he got old.....go off to the mountains and drink himself to sleep. Not accurate enough to quote, but most of us have read all this before. Scarznia said alot of people come to the mountains to.....and commented on the book. I wouldn't call him a liar (like Sharon and Fred did). Who knows what Fred had to say in that urgent call before he got there, or if he decided to keep it all in. Sure, he may have just blurted that story out, I know I might, being jumpy and all in troubled times..
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jwb wrote: <quoted text>
fantastic post- so many inconsistencies it is amazing. sometimes you wonder if stuff is thrown out there to trip people up.
I am referring to the booze angle. I wonder if Renner is getting it wrong? there have been a few things he has posted that don't add up. Beagle pointed out that there were no bars in the vicinity of the vassi accident.
Crazy isn't it Yes, it is crazy, I agree.
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