Maura Murray

Keepthesearchalive wrote:

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Well, hello to you Mr. Emt. I research missing persons cases (thousands solved and unsolved) and not sure what your referring to but I'm referring to the fact woman travelling alone in cars that have been involved in fender benders have been the victims of predators before.
So I guess I'll call bullshit on your claim, Bill.
Don't want too. But since you seem so sure and your wrong. You leave me no choice, bud.

So tell me. How many of those solved and unsolved have been involved in fender benders and have run into a predator? What are the odds? What does your research tell us? Since my cross section is across the board. From interstate highways to back roads I am interested, based on your supposed samples, how many of my crashes should have been abducted?

I still call bullshit on your "research" based upon my real everyday experience. I know a little about research. So yours was a retrospective study? You say research. So you know the pitfalls of a retrospective study? Please, I really would like to know all about your "research" and what it tells us.

Bill

jwb wrote:

Keep, referring to WTH

Imagine a toxic sludge topix forum.

Who wouldda thought?

I had already been warned.

Do you happen to know if anyone has taken a polygraph in this case?

I usually reserve comments until I am fully up to speed as I am aware we are discussing a topic sensitive to family members that still may be viewing.

Keepthesearchalive wrote:

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I usually reserve comments until I am fully up to speed...

Start reading.

Bill

I am not aware of one but Beagle says a pi asked him if he killed maura. he talks about it several pages back.

Mcsmom above responds to your Poly post "Yup" I posted for her to clarify but she hasn't.

Mr Renner might know. Wouldn't hurt to email him as he is very helpful.

Bill,

I'm not here to debate my research with you. I'm here to look over a cold case and eventually come to some sound conclusions here or offer advice on what can be done to have the question of "What happened to Maura Murray?" answered.

For arguements sake I call my resarch cumulative. Not retrospective.

The facts are predators have taken advantage of woman alone in situations of fender benders and even woman who have pulled off the road due to flat tires and even bad weather before.
In some cases they have impersonated people of authority that could help them...thus gaining there
trust.

Is it an overwheming possiblty. I don't know yet. But it shouldn't be discounted merely because the possibility may be low.
For a EMT you should know that "calling" bullshit should be left to the card game. I won't question your emt skills. Don't question my skills please or I'll simply
ignore you.

jwb wrote:

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Tom why wouldn't fred had just picked her up at school instead of her driving a car that was said to have been running poorly?

Good question. Maybe he was following her most of the trip and she wanted to have her car so that she can come and go as she pleased? If she departed school to meet someone then we can question why didn't that person pick her up because of her car running poorly.

Tom wrote:

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Good question. Maybe he was following her most of the trip and she wanted to have her car so that she can come and go as she pleased? If she departed school to meet someone then we can question why didn't that person pick her up because of her car running poorly.

Tom, your layout fit together very well but that was one question I had.

Tom wrote:

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Good question. Maybe he was following her most of the trip and she wanted to have her car so that she can come and go as she pleased? If she departed school to meet someone then we can question why didn't that person pick her up because of her car running poorly.

Fred said that maura was going to call him that monday at 8pm about the accident report forms and of course she never did. if my daughter said she would call me at a certain time and didn't , I would be sure to check on her and call her myself. I do that all the time with my daughter and she is 20.

Keepthesearchalive wrote:

Bill,
I'm not here to debate my research with you. I'm here to look over a cold case and eventually come to some sound conclusions here or offer advice on what can be done to have the question of "What happened to Maura Murray?" answered.
For arguements sake I call my resarch cumulative. Not retrospective.
The facts are predators have taken advantage of woman alone in situations of fender benders and even woman who have pulled off the road due to flat tires and even bad weather before.
In some cases they have impersonated people of authority that could help them...thus gaining there
trust.
Is it an overwheming possiblty. I don't know yet. But it shouldn't be discounted merely because the possibility may be low.
For a EMT you should know that "calling" bullshit should be left to the card game. I won't question your emt skills. Don't question my skills please or I'll simply
ignore you.

There are people here that seem to have hidden agendas.Maybe diversion tactics.you've got the right idea,ignore them...You just might be onto something with the authority impersonators...Do EMT's wear uniforms?

jwb wrote:

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Fred said that maura was going to call him that monday at 8pm about the accident report forms and of course she never did. if my daughter said she would call me at a certain time and didn't , I would be sure to check on her and call her myself. I do that all the time with my daughter and she is 20.

Maybe Fred just made up the planned 8 o'clock call...that would place him at home waiting.

findmaura wrote:

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There are people here that seem to have hidden agendas.Maybe diversion tactics.you've got the right idea,ignore them...You just might be onto something with the authority impersonators...Do EMT's wear uniforms?

I have been ignoring them for the most part and My blood pressure has dropped.

someone on earlier posts had mentioned something about a police impersonator in the Lincoln area at some point. I haven't heard about that before and I live in the area. I'll do a google as well as ask a local that knows all.

jwb wrote:

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Fred said that maura was going to call him that monday at 8pm about the accident report forms and of course she never did. if my daughter said she would call me at a certain time and didn't , I would be sure to check on her and call her myself. I do that all the time with my daughter and she is 20.

Maybe the call was changed to a meeting. All the other theories of running away, and an opportunistic killing by a guy driving around all get debunked because of the rag.......

Keepthesearchalive wrote:

Bill,
I'm not here to debate my research with you. I'm here to look over a cold case and eventually come to some sound conclusions here or offer advice on what can be done to have the question of "What happened to Maura Murray?" answered.
For arguements sake I call my resarch cumulative. Not retrospective.
The facts are predators have taken advantage of woman alone in situations of fender benders and even woman who have pulled off the road due to flat tires and even bad weather before.
In some cases they have impersonated people of authority that could help them...thus gaining there
trust.
Is it an overwheming possiblty. I don't know yet. But it shouldn't be discounted merely because the possibility may be low.
For a EMT you should know that "calling" bullshit should be left to the card game. I won't question your emt skills. Don't question my skills please or I'll simply
ignore you.

Whether you ignore me or not doesn't concern me. So you call it cumulative. Interesting. I have never heard of a research study called cumulative. So it sounds like it really wasn't a "research" project. It was more of a collection of crap. We actually have a name for that in research also. It's called anecdotal which we typically label crap. Not really a study, just a collection of random material that doesn't prove anything. So again, I'll call bullshit. So your really not a researcher. What exactly are you?

Bill

findmaura wrote:

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There are people here that seem to have hidden agendas.Maybe diversion tactics.you've got the right idea,ignore them...You just might be onto something with the authority impersonators...Do EMT's wear uniforms?

You may chose to ignore us. Doesn't matter. There are many here that read that can tell shit from Shinola and we have been here long enough that they can tell the difference between what we write. And the bullshit speculation that the newcomers write. That's why they still read us.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Whether you ignore me or not doesn't concern me. So you call it cumulative. Interesting. I have never heard of a research study called cumulative. So it sounds like it really wasn't a "research" project. It was more of a collection of crap. We actually have a name for that in research also. It's called anecdotal which we typically label crap. Not really a study, just a collection of random material that doesn't prove anything. So again, I'll call bullshit. So your really not a researcher.
What exactly are you?
Bill

A person that is going to try to help get answers as to what happened to Maura. A random do-gooder with a wealth of knowledge in the field of missing persons.

nothing comes up on a search for police impersonator in lincoln or nearby that I could see. Mostly concor and south. I'll ask around on monday at work.

findmaura wrote:

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There are people here that seem to have hidden agendas.Maybe diversion tactics.you've got the right idea,ignore them...You just might be onto something with the authority impersonators...Do EMT's wear uniforms?

In my town they do. I'm not worried about agendas. I was more worried about being able to access the facts of the case. I'm guessing the family started the website with all the poliice reports and photos and such.

Keepthesearchalive wrote:

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A person that is going to try to help get answers as to what happened to Maura. A random do-gooder with a wealth of knowledge in the field of missing persons.

sounds like code for "psychic", not scientist. lol

Keepthesearchalive wrote:

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A person that is going to try to help get answers as to what happened to Maura. A random do-gooder with a wealth of knowledge in the field of missing persons.

A wealth of knowledge in the field of missing persons.....who doesn't have a clue about how research works?

This gets better and better. Entertainment factor is going off the chart.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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You may chose to ignore us. Doesn't matter. There are many here that read that can tell shit from Shinola and we have been here long enough that they can tell the difference between what we write. And the bullshit speculation that the newcomers write. That's why they still read us.
Bill

I've not speculated just mentioned some possibilities and reasons women in similar situations have gone missing.
Now that I understand it's the "newcomer" thing it's all good. I understand. I'm on your turf. You keep writing there partner. I'm not gonna criticize anyone. Have a drink and relax.

After I read up I'll tell ya what I really think.

Then you can criticize.