Maura Murray

hannah_b wrote:

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I fail to understand why they didn´t go for it. Obviously it´s Sharons call, not Helena´s or Fred´s. Maybe she believes it would upset Billy too much. Only reason I can think of. Are you sure she personally got to know about this possibility, not just the Murray´s?

I'd get on the horn to Sharon ASAP. I'd suggest getting this report for police work, if nothing else. She can look at it if she wants to, make a copy to keep or send, and only mention it to Billy. It's not like Billy has to read it or anything. I actually feel it's now an obligation, a way to add to the investigation and it's all within her power.

Dawn, Your offer to help with your expertise and contacts is commendable. I wonder if it would be helpful to contact NHSP and whoever is still investigating Mauras disappearance. Sharon had turned over everything to them in the beginning. Just a thought.

Anne wrote:

Dawn, Your offer to help with your expertise and contacts is commendable. I wonder if it would be helpful to contact NHSP and whoever is still investigating Mauras disappearance. Sharon had turned over everything to them in the beginning. Just a thought.

Anne,
I agree with your excellent advice.

Thinking about this again today and.....

Police did trace the mystery call and said that it came from the Red Cross. That they were trying to get ahold of Billy, on the matter of his leave. Sharon said it couldn't be, that noone had her sons cell number.
Also recalling that police played this stored message in the room for all to hear and concluded that the message was "static"

Did the family protest or accept this conclusion while they were in the room? Is that why Billy erased it? As a way to get the idea out of his mind?
It's pretty confusing to me, now that I think of it. Bringing that "stored somewhere" message back might be a good thing to settle this once and for all, at least for the family.

hannah_b wrote:

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I fail to understand why they didn´t go for it. Obviously it´s Sharons call, not Helena´s or Fred´s. Maybe she believes it would upset Billy too much. Only reason I can think of. Are you sure she personally got to know about this possibility, not just the Murray´s?

I never reached out Sharon - ever. I only offered to Helena who told me she would pass the info to Fred. She was very kind - I really like her and miss talking to her. She is an amazing person. Very kind.. and so smart.. She is an amazing woman and I think very under estimated. I was never here to see the forums monitored and I hope my last few posts didn't put a bad light on her that is the last thing I would want to do. I full believe she is doing what she thinks as best.. I myeslf cant imagine her monitoring the site like that.. but my interaction with her just wasn't like that... she did tell me she would pass the info to fred... but thats where it stopped.... I pushed it andI never felt like she was holdin me up.. she was the go betwee **********OK WTF CALL ME CRAZY**********
i even went as so far as to send a copy of my drivers license so they would know who I was......... i know crazy. but i know missing persons family get taken advantage of.. so I sent a copy to prove who i was and that i was willing to help.. you know who i am.......... you know where i work. because i communicated through email at work ... and to no avail.......... my services were not needed.. and during this whole time i was getting attacked by JMHL -( so immature)EWB etc.. I have to really thank Snowy, Mason, WTF - only one I have never talked to for standing up for me... it was hard because behind the scene i was really trying to actually do something.. I kept saying on the forum and I still ask.... what can we do??? I sent emails letters to nancy grace. i thought if we spend this much time on forum - we spend this much time trying to find her..to no avail... also..one person even let scarina know that i could help.. but.. now what i know is really old news to the police.. but..i would always help.. that is just who i am. so now you know what my supporters other than WTF because i didn't have his email.. so WTF a big thank you.,. you really saved my ass several times.. i like you. I am not a slimy anything.. and for the record JMLH saying I am 80's baby.... NOT I have no problem with my age and stated many times. I am a 60's baby.. I graduated highschool in the 80's... and who cares... but it was one more dig ... and i wont have it anymore. period. As I SAID THE FIRST TIME I GOT HERE.......... WHO IS READY TO DO SOMETHING.. Lets get this case closed. K.. Who is in? Lets get closure for her friends and family.. Put the pressure on...?? If we actually worked as a group..I think Maura Murray would be at peace.

No Sam wrote:

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Anne,
I agree with your excellent advice.

the call was traced to a red cross att prepaid card is what i was told. This is simply a prepaid long distance card. That AT&T has donated the amount of the card to the redcross. So...lets see its breast cancer month now - oct. so you buy an ATT card this month - its pink - get one for your neice for 20.00. ATT provides the network for the call to go thru but they donate the fee to the Breast Cancer Assoc..... The phone company pays so little on LD and not going into that.. but its worth it to do it because.. if the card is handy.. guess what.. next month you will buy another.. of course.......... this is becoming absolete.. with cell phones.. but in 03 or 04. you bet...... now you could compare to prepaid wireless card... hope that helps

oops.. what I meant to say is the card. simply said red cross.. just like you would get one that is pink says breast cancer..for the CARD .. TO WORK>>> ( all that matters?right?)........ The card has a accesss number - toll free - and a PIN. those two numbers combined together - will BILL that calling card- each minute you talk - the minutes are reduced from the card........- all about the billing.. OH.. I wish Ben F was here .. number cruncher because. everytime you make a call send a text - email.. its all about numbers.......... no need to dive into the whole osi model...:-) for my geeks like me..

Anne wrote:

Dawn, Your offer to help with your expertise and contacts is commendable. I wonder if it would be helpful to contact NHSP and whoever is still investigating Mauras disappearance. Sharon had turned over everything to them in the beginning. Just a thought.

Anne,
Someone sent a letter I was copied on to Scarinzia. I never followed up on my own. That I realize is my own fault. However, I will commit to the group that I will send scarniza my contact info and I will also reach out to Sharon. I really can't imagine Helena not telling Sharon - I Have all of the emails over months and months... I have to think she knows. I just don't see Helena not letting her know. However, I am posting this here and now and not going to do it in vacuum.. Of course it scares me because I sent my drivers license.... I am going to post here what I send and what I send. And for the record.. Columbo and Helena know what I am talking about when I said can I help with that phone bill. I have had some really great kind things happen too..

Thanks again Dawn. No problem. I don't really know how I helped other than saying what I saw as the truth, but if that helped, I'm glad. The truth, just like the willingness to help, should never be considered a reason for scorn.

Bill

Meaning I have met some great friends on the forum.. and also were blessed with some of maura's friends cross my path.... and NO i never called her friends.... when your sincere and want to help.. and not pry. i never pryed with helena .. too ever. i feel like i am betraying her right now.. and i am.. helena.. i love you sister.. but i have to tell all of you.. she contacted me... not other way around.. after i posted that there wasNO way a call from londonderry happened.. which they knew because they had the phone bill... but i knew becuse it was impossible... she wanted to know how i knew that.. and how i knew was - systematically impossible. and still the evil from firecat and EBW... I wanted to post. HELLO i am talking to Helena.. leave me alone. but no... they got meaner.. meaner and meaner.. and i am thinking she has to tell them i am trying to help.... that is what i never understood.. all this time evenings talking to fred leatherman and snowy

Anne wrote:

Dawn, Your offer to help with your expertise and contacts is commendable. I wonder if it would be helpful to contact NHSP and whoever is still investigating Mauras disappearance. Sharon had turned over everything to them in the beginning. Just a thought.

Thank you Anne ~ much apprciated. Will do.

just me wrote:

<quoted text>Just a crazy idea maybe but that calling card number and pin, if ever used on the cell might be there to bring back if I understand this correctly.
Only because I've done it myself to keep someone from my real number.....I wonder if Maura ever did. What do you think? In a pinch to call someone, but finding no other way to call, maybe just maybe she did this?

There is billing record of every call that was made on that card. The initial record would show just the outgoing calls. However, its a landline calling card going through the PSTN- you look it up.. its really amazing how they built the phone system.. the power is from the central office not your home.. why your phone works when the power is out.. don't stick your tongue in there you will get zapped.. there is POWER..it is very complex - has redundancy - al within a milisecond when you hear a dialtone. BUT ITS ALL RECORDED.. its not like on TV.. not at all. that is why i have been saying... hello. people. now you hear a missing persons. they do this asap. i have to say this tho...I do think without a doubt scarniza already knows all of this.. OF COURSE he does..so whats in that info???? they have it guys... but the family could have it too. I have NO doubt the police already have this. This is old news to them..

WTF-the-original wrote:

Thanks again Dawn. No problem. I don't really know how I helped other than saying what I saw as the truth, but if that helped, I'm glad. The truth, just like the willingness to help, should never be considered a reason for scorn.
Bill

You are like a ROCK WTF... I soooo wish I could write like you.. You helped soooo many times.. and as always was for the TRUTH!!! I hope you are having a great time enjoyining your time in beautiful NH..

Has anyone else experienced this ? I didn't go and ask them to help.. I was contacted by Helena. After I emailed the mauramurray.com site offering money - which was not accepted - i offered if i could donate towards her reward fund.. they did reply and it broke my heart. becuase its so real.. that money would only be paid for a safe return.. they did take my dollar amount wihtout funds for that..........that still makes me cry. because i cant imagine if it was my sister.. and i have a sister.. i would walk thru fire for.. thats when i say what can we do...

Dawn wrote:

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There is billing record of every call that was made on that card. The initial record would show just the outgoing calls. However, its a landline calling card going through the PSTN- you look it up.. its really amazing how they built the phone system.. the power is from the central office not your home.. why your phone works when the power is out.. don't stick your tongue in there you will get zapped.. there is POWER..it is very complex - has redundancy - al within a milisecond when you hear a dialtone. BUT ITS ALL RECORDED.. its not like on TV.. not at all. that is why i have been saying... hello. people. now you hear a missing persons. they do this asap. i have to say this tho...I do think without a doubt scarniza already knows all of this.. OF COURSE he does..so whats in that info???? they have it guys... but the family could have it too. I have NO doubt the police already have this. This is old news to them..

When Maura makes a call and has to push 1 for this, and 2 for that, is this info also available when you do a report? If it's recording all data, I'm guessing that is anything that gets touched/entered by use of the keypad, and so on. Just to make sure here Dawn, a question. Say Maura is calling a number and they ask her to enter the last four digits of her ss number. Are you saying that number entered would be on the report?
Funny that the Londenderry ping info was ever written up in the afidavit. Helena knows it never happened but the info is supposed to be taken as gospel. Helena contacts you after you relay how it could not have happened. She says "how did you know". Why did they want people to think this happened when it apparently didn't. But mostly I wonder this. Do you really think that if police had this info they would spot the calling card number, the pin number, and then use that info to see if the call came over to Billy's cell on the day he claims she called with muffled sobs, etc?

Dawn wrote:

Has anyone else experienced this ? I didn't go and ask them to help.. I was contacted by Helena. After I emailed the mauramurray.com site offering money - which was not accepted - i offered if i could donate towards her reward fund.. they did reply and it broke my heart. becuase its so real.. that money would only be paid for a safe return.. they did take my dollar amount wihtout funds for that..........that still makes me cry. because i cant imagine if it was my sister.. and i have a sister.. i would walk thru fire for.. thats when i say what can we do...

if i understood you correctly, Dawn....you told me that at that time, a family representative did NOT accept your financial contribution, and you wondered why. you've always maintained that you would have channeled a great deal of energy toward every possible outlet if confronted with a similar situation in your family. your intent here was/is not to judge, but that you demonstrated what you believe by standing up to defend an injustice for your sister when your brother-in-law met an unfortunate fate.
although everyone handles grief and loss differently, it's a shame there continues to be an active presence on public forums, but without cooperation and a joining of forces, as you would hope. Maura has been so objectified that it's become hard to see her as a victim, if, indeed, she was....over all the noise and distractions.

Snowy wrote:

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if i understood you correctly, Dawn....you told me that at that time, a family representative did NOT accept your financial contribution, and you wondered why. you've always maintained that you would have channeled a great deal of energy toward every possible outlet if confronted with a similar situation in your family. your intent here was/is not to judge, but that you demonstrated what you believe by standing up to defend an injustice for your sister when your brother-in-law met an unfortunate fate.
although everyone handles grief and loss differently, it's a shame there continues to be an active presence on public forums, but without cooperation and a joining of forces, as you would hope. Maura has been so objectified that it's become hard to see her as a victim, if, indeed, she was....over all the noise and distractions.

Yes Snowy this is true.. and my nephew also was Murdered by a Police Officer December 31 of last year. AFter he took some mushrooms and had a bad trip......... This was my sisters only son.. She lost her husband and her son... The prosecutor will be making a decision this month if to charge the officer. I am not here to discuss Adam or Darrin -.. Just point out that I have had to deal with Halliburton - similar to the govt.. and I never thought I would be dealing with the govt on Adam's death...... You don't get to choose what life deals you... Ohly how you respond.!!!!!!!!!Its been a tough year... however, I still don't understand this case.. I just don't .. Why on earth do we not know where she went that day? a BOL for anyone who went to those places... see anything in the parking lot etc..

just me wrote:

<quoted text>When Maura makes a call and has to push 1 for this, and 2 for that, is this info also available when you do a report? If it's recording all data, I'm guessing that is anything that gets touched/entered by use of the keypad, and so on. Just to make sure here Dawn, a question. Say Maura is calling a number and they ask her to enter the last four digits of her ss number. Are you saying that number entered would be on the report?
Funny that the Londenderry ping info was ever written up in the afidavit. Helena knows it never happened but the info is supposed to be taken as gospel. Helena contacts you after you relay how it could not have happened. She says "how did you know". Why did they want people to think this happened when it apparently didn't. But mostly I wonder this. Do you really think that if police had this info they would spot the calling card number, the pin number, and then use that info to see if the call came over to Billy's cell on the day he claims she called with muffled sobs, etc?

depends.. you are talking about commands.. that info is stored where ever she is calling - IE - her voicemail - that isn't stored on the network or her phone but in the voicemail - if her sprint voicemail - yes.. If when calling GOSTOWE - that depends on what type of VRU voice response unit they have and what reporting they have in place. that would have needed to be done shortly after the call - it would all depend on the functionality - VRU can be very complex - or they can be simple expanded voicemail.. Most likely GOSSTOW would have reporting so they know what part of the VRU is used the most - you would have to peel back the onion per say to see which call selected what - I doubt they would have a need to set up requirements for such a deep dive.. if that doesn't answer your question.. email me Paris or we can talk live.

just me wrote:

<quoted text>When Maura makes a call and has to push 1 for this, and 2 for that, is this info also available when you do a report? If it's recording all data, I'm guessing that is anything that gets touched/entered by use of the keypad, and so on. Just to make sure here Dawn, a question. Say Maura is calling a number and they ask her to enter the last four digits of her ss number. Are you saying that number entered would be on the report?
Funny that the Londenderry ping info was ever written up in the afidavit. Helena knows it never happened but the info is supposed to be taken as gospel. Helena contacts you after you relay how it could not have happened. She says "how did you know". Why did they want people to think this happened when it apparently didn't. But mostly I wonder this. Do you really think that if police had this info they would spot the calling card number, the pin number, and then use that info to see if the call came over to Billy's cell on the day he claims she called with muffled sobs, etc?

MY PESONAL OPINION>>>>> >>>>>> is that they DO have info of a call from londonderry - that called her phone. Her phone did not answer - this is INFO about another persons phone. Who's I don't know. But I think they have it. Someone else was trying to reach her. That is why I knew it couldn't be from her phone.. It is NOT her records that are in question - its someone elses phone info they have. thats why they put it out there.. to let that person know.. Gotcha - we know you were in this area... but thats probably all they could prove. police leak stuff like that all the time.

Dawn wrote:

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MY PESONAL OPINION>>>>> >>>>>> is that they DO have info of a call from londonderry - that called her phone. Her phone did not answer - this is INFO about another persons phone. Who's I don't know. But I think they have it. Someone else was trying to reach her. That is why I knew it couldn't be from her phone.. It is NOT her records that are in question - its someone elses phone info they have. thats why they put it out there.. to let that person know.. Gotcha - we know you were in this area... but thats probably all they could prove. police leak stuff like that all the time.

This is what I have been suggesting for a long time... Anyhow, I think we can be pretty sure the caller was not Fred Murray since we know they have his phone records.