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Dawn
Monroe, LA
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There is NO way of knowing Hannah_b.. unless you are in pocession of the other persons phone records. the bill wont even suffice.... the bill only shows calls you are charged for.. so if you hang up before it goes to voicemail.. and you don['t - connect - it isn't on there....
but you are right.. they do have his phone records.
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Dawn
Monroe, LA
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text>
This is what I have been suggesting for a long time... Anyhow, I think we can be pretty sure the caller was not Fred Murray since we know they have his phone records. How could this be ruled out ? In order to make a statement like this.. they have to have the records to know that info.. as I said before it wouldn't be in maura's records.. its like working backwards.
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Dawn
Monroe, LA
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Its like backing into a number for those sales folks out there........
THE ONLY way they could EVER have found out this info
********** if it didn't bill maura's phone ********** WHICH IT DIDN"T
IS TO KNOW "Who's" phone records to subpeona.!!!! Food for thought - a feast actually!!
That ones for you Mason.:-)b
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Dawn
Monroe, LA
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**********
Who has a copy of that affidavit? I'm sorry but I still don't know if I buy it...( sorry K) but.. IT does NOT look like what we get at a wireless carrier - I understand this could be preliminary.. I want to see a copy of this thing.. I never did see it as in a pdf.. only typed here..
Who has it??
londonderry was finally removed from wiki too..:-) because it was NOT on Maura's phone.
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Dawn
Monroe, LA
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I think he will be ok with this but I heard from ole fearless one.. Mason.. He is doing great. I don't know if we come on here... but I will see what I can do.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Dawn wrote: <quoted text>
How could this be ruled out ? In order to make a statement like this.. they have to have the records to know that info.. as I said before it wouldn't be in maura's records.. its like working backwards. Wouldnīt it show up in Fredīs phone records? Which they already have.
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Sara
Sweden
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Dawn wrote: **********
Who has a copy of that affidavit? I'm sorry but I still don't know if I buy it...( sorry K) but.. IT does NOT look like what we get at a wireless carrier - I understand this could be preliminary.. I want to see a copy of this thing.. I never did see it as in a pdf.. only typed here..
Who has it??
londonderry was finally removed from wiki too..:-) because it was NOT on Maura's phone. IIRC, I first saw it on topix posted by WW. I recall WW saying it was from the local library in public records and I even think she passed this on to Helena??? Please forgive if I have it wrong, but that's was the first and last time I saw it.
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Dawn
Monroe, LA
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text>
Wouldnīt it show up in Fredīs phone records? Which they already have. NO... NOT If the call did not complete it wont show on anyones records but the phone company.. ok.... We know from Helena HER PHONE did not have an incoming call.....SO... that means whoever tried - if they did - did not connect.. dial.. ring ring or you hear going to voicemail.. click.. all that shows on your bill is BILLABLE - pay me the money kind of calls. If you aren't billed - they don't show you.. as you have seen us go round and round here.. they don't want to confuse you.. everyone would be calling and saying.. hey.. i got billed for this call. just like at home. dial the usa.. then hang up......no one answers your home phone will not show that.. Now Hannah goes missing so the police check your phone RECORDS not your bill.. they se4 at 518 you called the US and hung up... these are records that people don't see.. we all have them our bill only shows billable minutes. hopefully i made it more understandable... she didn't get a call her phone could been off or a person hung up.. OR they never made the call.. MY OPINION... is that either they knew that info.. or made it up which could be exactly what it is...... it was all for reaction.
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Dawn
Monroe, LA
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Sara wrote: <quoted text>
IIRC, I first saw it on topix posted by WW. I recall WW saying it was from the local library in public records and I even think she passed this on to Helena??? Please forgive if I have it wrong, but that's was the first and last time I saw it. when did you move to Norway? Its too cold to be there this time of year.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Part 1:
Supporting Affidavit for Issuance of Search Warrant I, Todd D. Landry, do hereby depose and say;
1. That I am currently employed by the State Police and have been for the past ten years. Currently, I am assigned as a Detective at Trooop- F in Twin Mountain, NH. I have received extensive training in the investigation of criminal matters.
2. That on February 9, 2004 at 1927 hours the Haverhill, NH Police Department responded to a single vehicle motor vehicle crash on Route 112 in Haverhill, NH. Upon arrival, Sgt. Cecil Smith was unable to locate the driver of the vehicle. Subsequent investigation determined that the driver of the vehicle was MAURA MURRAY (d.o.b. 05/04/82), 22 Walker Street, Weymouth, MA.
3. A witness at the scene later confirmed that the driver was MURRAY.
4. An extensive search of the area has been conducted and MURRAY has not been located.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Part 2 of 2:
5. During the course of this investigation, Cellular Telephone records have been obtained by Law Enforcement that were used by MURRAY. A representative from Sprint Corporate Security advised this affiant that during the late afternoon hours of February 9, 2004an outgoing telephone call was made to Murray from the Londonderry, NH Sprint tower. This call had to have been made from within a 22 mile radius of the tower. The identity of this caller and telephone number has not been made as of this date.
6. That identifying the caller of the telephone call could be pertinent to the ongoing investigation and may lead to the whereabouts of Maura Murray.
7. Based on the foregoing, there is probable cause to believe evidence in the suspicious disappearance of Maura Murray may be found through Sprint Wireless Cell Tower Telephone Records, including any outgoing calls from the Londonderry tower of Sprint to Maura Murrays Sprint PCs number ********** for February 9, 2004 from 0001 hours to 2400 hours.
Todd D. Landry
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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Dawn wrote: <quoted text>
when did you move to Norway? Its too cold to be there this time of year. she's been in and out of there for some time, for as long as i've been smelling a skunk, Ms. Dawn. if anything, i am exquisitely perceptive. will email on the other side.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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"3. A witness at the scene later confirmed that the driver was MURRAY." What???? Am I reading this right??
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just me
Plymouth, MN
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"an outgoing telephone call was made" (not attempted) "made" am I reading too much into this statement? They're implying the call was made. I'm thinking they immediately checked to see if anyone had called her along the possible routes. Why? If her phone records didn't show all sides of her record, is it possible it's due to the spotty reception? Not sure it matters, I'm baffled, sorry
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just me
United States
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If Maura didn't show up for classes and people were already worried about her, why didn't anyone try to call her I wonder. And dad, knowing how she felt about the previous car accident would think she was in class. But by 10-11 o'clock, you'd think he'd be worried enough to try calling her himself when she didn't call. Maybe he did. But I've never heard when, if at all, anyone began to flood her cell with calls. I'm talking about Monday night now, maybe into the wee hours of Tuesday. Does anyone recall hearing that Maura had calls within the earliest mystery hours of being gone? The girls at school went looking for her that night after classes didn't they? I'm still baffled by the affidavit. The way it reads to me is that Mr Landry wants to have all Sprint wireless records, to INCLUDE the Londonderry tower (along the way of her drive). Did someone claim to be there, someone otherwise thought to live or just be somewhere else, and someone who knew Maura? The affidavit, is saying "MURRAY" enough to identify someone in an affidavit? Seems it would have to be rewritten and I wonder if it even made it past that.....
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just me
United States
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Oh and thanks Dawn, for all your information. I'm thinking by the looks of it that police likely did all the things they could do with the records. For me it would just help to know if it was Maura who called Billy some 36 hours after the accident. If there's a way to get entered data that matches a calling card and pin, (in the event that she ever used it while on her cellphone, and yes I think it's a stretch), maybe once and for all we might know if Maura made that call wherever she was, (and on whatever phone). I don't know, It's over my head all this cell talk. I'm glad you came on and I hope you can get Mason to come on again. I still think if someone did pick Maura up and wronged her in some way, they might take her calling cards in amusement, flip her cellphone open and pick someone to call, to make it look like she was ok at that point in the game. And maybe she was, that's why I thought checking the area phones at gas stations and such might be helpful. Wishful thinking, I know. I'm turning in the towel, goodnight all.
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dawn
Everett, WA
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just me wrote: "an outgoing telephone call was made"
(not attempted)
"made"
am I reading too much into this statement?
They're implying the call was made. I'm thinking they immediately checked to see if anyone had called her along the possible routes. Why? If her phone records didn't show all sides of her record, is it possible it's due to the spotty reception? Not sure it matters, I'm baffled, sorry OK.......... HOLD on... FACT: Maura did NOT get an incoming call NOR did she call Londonderry.. We know Maura's phone bill did NOT having an incoming call. HEARSAY: there is an affidavit. Due to the way technology works.... SHE DID NOT GET AN INCOMING. HEARSAY: there was the info about londonderry - SHE DIDNT PLACE the CALL WHAT I POSTED WAS MY OPINON. ONLY... I simply stated the ONLY way they could have gotten info... thats it folks.. IF they wanted to know if anyone specific tried to call her while her phone was off or out of range........ THEY ONLY could find out IF they knew WHO's phone records to search.. Hearsay: a call was made... WE DONT KNOW AND WONT KNOW IF A CALL WAS MADE.... ONLY LE.... i wish i hadn't commented on this today.. because. nothing has changed.. i am not brining anything up new - i said this all two years ago.. which I did because it stood out because how it was told is NOT possible.. period. sorry if I am little testy its just frustrating when words get turned around and this is nothing new... nothing at all... I originally brought it up because.. I wondered what else about the case was inaccurate.. and I think Mason did a great job speaking to the legal side as Bill/WTF is our SAR expert. I am just simply stating as telecomm expert that info was not correct.. which was validated by Helena. thats all folks good night
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Sara
Hamilton, Bermuda
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Dawn wrote: <quoted text>
when did you move to Norway? Its too cold to be there this time of year. Hi Dawn, When did you move to St. Paul,MN? I thought you lived in WA? I will repeat again.. I first learned about Maura reading CNN news in Nov. 2008. That is when I discovered topix. I live in Bermuda. For whatever reason because I am not an internet expert, when I am posting from my blackberry it gives me a different ip address. Sometimes its Norway, sometimes its Indianapolis. Perhaps someone on this forum that knows about that stuff could explain, because I have no idea why. Snowy, I am not some local disguising myself, can I ask why you suspect I am someone else? What have I said that makes you believe this? I have always posted as Sara, never once have I used a proxy or changed my name. I know you don't have to believe me and I don't have to prove anything, but I must say it is pretty funny Snowy, dawn, and whoever else is discussing the topix posters behind the scenes(that is funny in itself) that you insist I am someone that hides behind proxy ip's and false names. Can I ask why? Dawn I told you where I last saw the affidavit and who had it. That is what I remember. If I am wrong, then someone please speak up. I have my suspicions about you too Snowy, but I don't obsess over it and try to figure it out, I read what you say and that's it. Anyway...
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Sara
Hamilton, Bermuda
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dawn wrote: <quoted text>
OK.......... HOLD on...
FACT:
Maura did NOT get an incoming call NOR did she call Londonderry..
We know Maura's phone bill did NOT having an incoming call.
HEARSAY:
there is an affidavit. Due to the way technology works.... SHE DID NOT GET AN INCOMING.
HEARSAY: there was the info about londonderry - SHE DIDNT PLACE the CALL
WHAT I POSTED WAS MY OPINON. ONLY...
I simply stated the ONLY way they could have gotten info... thats it folks..
IF they wanted to know if anyone specific tried to call her while her phone was off or out of range........ THEY ONLY could find out IF they knew WHO's phone records to search..
Hearsay: a call was made... WE DONT KNOW AND WONT KNOW IF A CALL WAS MADE.... ONLY LE....
i wish i hadn't commented on this today.. because. nothing has changed.. i am not brining anything up new - i said this all two years ago.. which I did because it stood out because how it was told is NOT possible.. period. sorry if I am little testy its just frustrating when words get turned around and this is nothing new... nothing at all... I originally brought it up because.. I wondered what else about the case was inaccurate.. and I think Mason did a great job speaking to the legal side as Bill/WTF is our SAR expert.
I am just simply stating as telecomm expert that info was not correct.. which was validated by Helena.
thats all folks good night Wow, that was fast, you already back in WA. And I am already back in Bermuda.
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Chiming In
Boston, MA
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just me Minneapolis, MN Reply ŧ I'm still baffled by the affidavit. The way it reads to me is that Mr Landry wants to have all Sprint wireless records, to INCLUDE the Londonderry tower (along the way of her drive). Just me...please clarify - are you saying that the affidavit was to include the Londonderry tower as well as towers along the way of her drive? I ask because, the Londonderry tower isn't on the way of her drive as we "presume" to know it to be. I was recently in Londonderry and the tower would only have been on the way of her drive if she'd taken another route north.
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