Maura Murray

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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I have no facts either way. I don't see evidence of guilt of Fred having something to do with this and I can't prove a negative. You must show evidence why you see guilt on his part. I don't need to show why he is innocent. You must display evidence for your theory. This is some of the basic things that anyone looking at things like this should know. Again, READ THE F**KING FORUM TO EDUCATE YOURSELF. So you don't look foolish.
Bill

oo00oo wrote:

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No biggie, just hard to decifer when I first read it. Fred said she was supposed to call. We don't know if Maura knew that. Copies of Maura's phone records would indicate if Fred called her instead. I can't answer that.

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Jwb wrote:

If my daughter didn't call me when she said she would. I would call her back myself. just saying

Tom wrote:

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But if you wanted to be called at 8:00 and you know your daughter is ating strangely and doesn't call you at 8:00 that night doesn't that send a red flag. Would you be very close to your phone?
Or maybe the 8:00 call turned into a 8:00 meeting and you already knew the fate of your daughter.

Jwb wrote:

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No need to be that mean Bill Really?? Are you for real? take a pill and go to bed,

Tom wrote:

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But if you wanted to be called at 8:00 and you know your daughter is ating strangely and doesn't call you at 8:00 that night doesn't that send a red flag. Would you be very close to your phone?
Or maybe the 8:00 call turned into a 8:00 meeting and you already knew the fate of your daughter.

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Jwb wrote:

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Shack, why din't he)Fred) communicate with LE? he supposedly called immediately to tell chief williams something. Can you tell us what that was? Was it she was upset about the prior accident or was it something else?

aftermath wrote:

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WTH,
FM a suspect? You've GOT to be kidding. Evidence? There isn't any...and even if there HAD (note past tense)been, it was compromised because the Saturn had NOT been impounded and the "scene" even before the car was hauled off to a local garage was not treated as a crime scene. LE appeared to believe the Saturn was just an abandoned vehicle (it's driver disappeared to avoid a dwi?????) like the many situations they deal with throughout the year. There have been many disappearances and bodies discovered on both sides of the VT/NH border, bodies found in the White Mountains and disappearances in both states. So one of the father's of the MANY victims is responsible for these disappearances and/or murders? Do you have any idea of just how ridiculous this sounds to suggest MM's father may have harmed his daughter? The problem is no one has been identified because the someone abducting these women has ABOVE AVERAGE knowledge of how to leave "accident" scenes CLEAN without a trace of evidence behind. He also knows just how long he has to remove each of these women from the scene where he abducts them. In Maura's case, he snatched her from the highway in that fairly short, 15-minute period before C. Smith arrived on scene. There are never any witnesses and in P. Webb's case...there had to be many people who drove by that scene (it was a busy highway and in broad daylight!) when she struggled to get away from this guy....and yet no one stopped. No witnesses came forward. There is a mystery road warrior on the loose and he continues to cruise the VT/NH area and periodically travels the NH/ME border area.

aftermath wrote:

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jwb,
People respond in various ways. Some parents might discuss the accident and insurance papers and then leave the situation alone, possibly to lessen the "significance" of the accident (young person already feeling enough guilt, remorse, etc). If the parent had explained the accident was not the end of the world, and that everything would be okay, he would probably avoid calling her the minute he had not received that 8 p.m. phone call. He might have thought that she's busy with school, clinicals, work...I'll leave her alone for a couple days and if I haven't heard from her by Wednesday or Thursday, maybe I'll call her. His not phoning her leads me to believe he trusted her and had no doubts about her following through with taking care of the insurance paperwork and doing what was necessary. He knew she was responsible and when he had not heard from her most likely thought it may have been because she was very busy, which she was. Her classes, clinicals, and two part-time jobs would have been a busy schedule for anyone.

Jwb wrote:

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No need to be that mean Bill Really?? Are you for real? take a pill and go to bed,

Jwb wrote:

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they don't get it Tom, they will argue that the sun is not yellow

oo00oo wrote:

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You can speculate all you want. We don't have the answers. Fred never said she was acting strangely.

Shack wrote:

<quoted text>Maura's Dad never did not communicate with Haverhill PD. I really don't know where that info came from..it is small populated town 5K pop. and I personally think that the town people got tired of it. I live in Mass. with relatives upthere..and it got to a point that in visiting the town they were feeling put upon.
I don't know if this answers...

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aftermath wrote:

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jwb,
People respond in various ways. Some parents might discuss the accident and insurance papers and then leave the situation alone, possibly to lessen the "significance" of the accident (young person already feeling enough guilt, remorse, etc). If the parent had explained the accident was not the end of the world, and that everything would be okay, he would probably avoid calling her the minute he had not received that 8 p.m. phone call. He might have thought that she's busy with school, clinicals, work...I'll leave her alone for a couple days and if I haven't heard from her by Wednesday or Thursday, maybe I'll call her. His not phoning her leads me to believe he trusted her and had no doubts about her following through with taking care of the insurance paperwork and doing what was necessary. He knew she was responsible and when he had not heard from her most likely thought it may have been because she was very busy, which she was. Her classes, clinicals, and two part-time jobs would have been a busy schedule for anyone.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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You consider me telling you to educate yourself to be mean. Well, you must be a manly man.
Bill

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oo00oo wrote:

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No biggie, just hard to decifer when I first read it. Fred said she was supposed to call. We don't know if Maura knew that. Copies of Maura's phone records would indicate if Fred called her instead. I can't answer that.

Tom wrote:

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Thats odd because Fred told LE that he thought she was depressed. Get Netflix and rewatch the Disappeared. He was on record saying that...then he told LE that he thought she ran away. Why would he be asking her to return if he didn't think she ran away? Then one can infer that if he thought she ran away he would obviously think she was acting strange.

hannah_b wrote:

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There was an incoming call to Maura´s phone at 8.10 pm. Unknown to the public if the caller was Fred. Seems strange to me he didn´t do anything when she didn´t call as planned. Whether or not the 8.10 pm caller was him, he should have tried to reach her through friends if nothing else.

hannah_b wrote:

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There was an incoming call to Maura´s phone at 8.10 pm. Unknown to the public if the caller was Fred. Seems strange to me he didn´t do anything when she didn´t call as planned. Whether or not the 8.10 pm caller was him, he should have tried to reach her through friends if nothing else.