“"Dancing with wolves"”
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Jwb wrote: <quoted text> Wowzer, has your child been lost or killed? Can you imagine how it feels? I can't even go there. I think there is a difference between losing your child and people talking on topix. I think I know what I would choose. How about you? Do you have Kids? You told me once to let people answer replies meant for them so I'll ask you to do the same and let shack answer a question asked of her. And please live by your word to skip over my posts as you said you would here on this forum several times. Thanks.
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Jwb
Lincoln, NH
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Wowzer the real one wrote: <quoted text> You told me once to let people answer replies meant for them so I'll ask you to do the same and let shack answer a question asked of her. And please live by your word to skip over my posts as you said you would here on this forum several times. Thanks. will do the answer is for shack good enough
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Not So
Hingham, MA
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text> Fred/family has repeatedly been caught deliberately misleading and even flat out lying to the public on the old MM and MMM forums. Thatīs why I personally distrust anything that man says. But who to trust or not is ceratinly up to each and everyone. Really. Can you tell us what specifically they lied about? Please be specific and cite how you know that they were lies. I must say this makes me really curious, and without something to back this statement up..... By the way your English is perfect for somebody from another country...or did you move there?
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Advocate
Glendale, AZ
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text> It has been stated on one of the now defunt threads Fred could not have his cell phone while working. It was also said Fred was working until 11 pm Monday Feb 9. I have of course no way of verifying this, but if true, how was he supposed to take a call from Maura at 8 pm? Fred's job was/is as a medical radiation technologist. I think the equipment he works with would preclude him from having a cellphone -- at least one that was turned on -- with him in the room. As far as taking a call from Maura, since most medical radiation is done by appointment, my guess would be that either he knew already he'd be free at the hour of 8 PM on Monday night, or he had a break scheduled then. Simple.:)
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Jwb
Lincoln, NH
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Not So wrote: <quoted text> Really. Can you tell us what specifically they lied about? Please be specific and cite how you know that they were lies. I must say this makes me really curious, and without something to back this statement up..... By the way your English is perfect for somebody from another country...or did you move there? doesn't matter really what they say -(Maura)stick to it.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Advocate wrote: <quoted text> Fred's job was/is as a medical radiation technologist. I think the equipment he works with would preclude him from having a cellphone -- at least one that was turned on -- with him in the room. As far as taking a call from Maura, since most medical radiation is done by appointment, my guess would be that either he knew already he'd be free at the hour of 8 PM on Monday night, or he had a break scheduled then. Simple.:) Thanks, Advocate. It may certainly be that simple. I still would be interested in seeing his work records, though.
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Advocate
Glendale, AZ
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Jwb wrote: he sued later in the investigation. Fred shouud have talked to LE at the get go. I am sure that Fred did talk to LE from the get go. He most certainly met with them and talked with them as soon as he got up to the Woodsville area when he learned Maura was missing. And I believe he was in touch with them on a number of occasions subsequently. If you recall, at one point he was apparently given a knife that someone said had been used in a crime against Maura, and he tried to get LE to take it and they had no interest. So it's not like he never talked with them and vice versa. I don't know what it means that "it was 2 years" before Fred was interviewed and then he brought counsel with him -- this might mean that it took LE 2 years to decide that they wanted to interview him as to whether or not he had any culpability in his daughter's disappearance, or it might refer to procedures involved in his lawsuit. In civil lawsuits, it's common for the parties to be interviewed by lawyers from the opposing side. In other words, I don't read that "it was 2 years" as being detrimental to Fred.
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Jwb
Lincoln, NH
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Advocate wrote: <quoted text> Fred's job was/is as a medical radiation technologist. I think the equipment he works with would preclude him from having a cellphone -- at least one that was turned on -- with him in the room. As far as taking a call from Maura, since most medical radiation is done by appointment, my guess would be that either he knew already he'd be free at the hour of 8 PM on Monday night, or he had a break scheduled then. Simple.:) Thanks advocate never heard that very helpful.
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Jwb
Lincoln, NH
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text> Thanks, Advocate. It may certainly be that simple. I still would be interested in seeing his work records, though. agree , I am sure they have been looked into, well lets say hopefully Fred is like sbd- But i don;t here the crowd dumping on people for talking Fred and why is it when the theme is protect the innocent
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Jwb
Lincoln, NH
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sorry the post came out crappy= meant to say why Don't people dump on the folks that bring up fred as a suspect and immediately dump on people that talk sb and RF LE
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Jwb
Lincoln, NH
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Advocate wrote: <quoted text> I am sure that Fred did talk to LE from the get go. He most certainly met with them and talked with them as soon as he got up to the Woodsville area when he learned Maura was missing. And I believe he was in touch with them on a number of occasions subsequently. If you recall, at one point he was apparently given a knife that someone said had been used in a crime against Maura, and he tried to get LE to take it and they had no interest. So it's not like he never talked with them and vice versa. I don't know what it means that "it was 2 years" before Fred was interviewed and then he brought counsel with him -- this might mean that it took LE 2 years to decide that they wanted to interview him as to whether or not he had any culpability in his daughter's disappearance, or it might refer to procedures involved in his lawsuit. In civil lawsuits, it's common for the parties to be interviewed by lawyers from the opposing side. In other words, I don't read that "it was 2 years" as being detrimental to Fred. I am sure you are right on with Fred talking to LE a misconception by some I guess. A dad that went searching like he did was not shy.
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Jwb
Lincoln, NH
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I think the forum can start to rule some stuff out. and that is helpful
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Not So wrote: <quoted text> Really. Can you tell us what specifically they lied about? Please be specific and cite how you know that they were lies. I must say this makes me really curious, and without something to back this statement up..... By the way your English is perfect for somebody from another country...or did you move there? Mauraīs relationship with Billy is one example. Sharon R was quoted in media saying they had some difficulties back in 2002 (IIRC), but had since had a great relationship. This was also repeatedly stated on the old family moderated forums. Now we know through Renner he cheated on her, and she had numerous affairs. Maura being terminated from WP is another example. We were always told she felt the military was not for her, and she choose to leave. Then there is the credit card theft, the excessive drinking and more. They always tried to paint a picture of her as the all American girl, and tried desperately to hide or deny any issues she had. People were even kicked from the forums for bringing up Mauraīs life before the NH accident. The party line by family decision, was Maura was killed by a local (to Haverhill, NH) scumbag, and posters were not allowed to have a different opinion. Locals were victimized b/c of this, and it may even have contributed to SBDīs death. The old forums are no longer available, so canīt link.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text> Mauraīs relationship with Billy is one example. Sharon R was quoted in media saying they had some difficulties back in 2002 (IIRC), but had since had a great relationship. This was also repeatedly stated on the old family moderated forums. Now we know through Renner he cheated on her, and she had numerous affairs. Maura being terminated from WP is another example. We were always told she felt the military was not for her, and she choose to leave. Then there is the credit card theft, the excessive drinking and more. They always tried to paint a picture of her as the all American girl, and tried desperately to hide or deny any issues she had. People were even kicked from the forums for bringing up Mauraīs life before the NH accident. The party line by family decision, was Maura was killed by a local (to Haverhill, NH) scumbag, and posters were not allowed to have a different opinion. Locals were victimized b/c of this, and it may even have contributed to SBDīs death. The old forums are no longer available, so canīt link. thank you hannah; your incredible patience to answer a question that has previously been corroborated first hand and extensively documented on Topix is admirable. Not So must not have been paying attention.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Thatīs one thing that makes Mauraīs case stand out so much, compared to other missing persons cases: the way her family has acted from the get go.
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citigirl
Fall River, MA
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Jwb wrote: he sued later in the investigation. Fred shouud have talked to LE at the get go. Fred was in contact by phone or in person with LE from the time he learned Maura had disappeared. Anything he had been told by others while searching for Maura he would pass it on to LE. He also went to other towns and spoke with there LE.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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and on the seventh day, she/JWB rested.
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citigirl
Fall River, MA
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Tom wrote: <quoted text> He should be indicted just on the fact that he didn't sit with LE for interview for two years, and he did everything in his power to fight them about the case. where are you getting your info from? because he did infact sit down and be interviewed by LE following Mauras disappearance.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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citigirl wrote: <quoted text>where are you getting your info from? because he did infact sit down and be interviewed by LE following Mauras disappearance. and it has been reported that his relationship with LE is contentious, and that he has sued them.
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Tom
Katonah, NY
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WTH-the-original wrote: <quoted text> And here is where I get confused. You were saying that he was a POI or more. There is nothing here that makes him guilty of anything. And he has never listed him as a suspect or POI by any police agency. Maybe because there is no evidence that make him suspect. I certainly don't think what you have presented make him a suspect. I don't know Fred and think he can be a serious a**hole. But I don't see any evidence of wrongdoing on his part. Bill In this case I think this is the strongest evidence towards pointing to a POI.(Not to mention anything that LE might have found out on him) I promise you most and any logical LE would have this man pointed as a POI. If LE doesn't have him as a POI then they have no one, because this is the strongest evidence to point to someone.
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