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citigirl
Fall River, MA
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text>
a) she was last seen at a party on/near UMASS Amherst campus
b) after she informed the UMASS nursing program of her leaving (and lying about a death in the family)
c) her images were captured on videos making a purchase of liquors and withdrawing funds from an ATM
e) she was last seen by a witness, SBD, at a location with her crashed car in NH
* it is logical and accurate to conclude MM left (or ran away from) UMASS Amherst
* as it is known she did so following an upset/emotional meltdown witnessed following a phone conversation; she also crashed her father's car
* it is also known she and her car arrived at its final location in NH
now, what was the question? there is no video of her being seen purchasing anything at a liquor store. LE has always stated they found a reciept in her vehicle from a liquor store. So Im not sure where you are getting your info from because it is incorrect. There is a subpoena in the court records for the ATM video.
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Tom
Katonah, NY
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Jwb wrote: I don't see Fred as a part in this either bill. My op
as a dad and observer. JWB - I respect your opinion greatly. And I can see a lot of shady activity from mr. maura that I listed before. The one thing I can't shake is the fact of the rag in the tailpipe and his excuse for it. Would you change your opinion if we knew that she wasn't dead and she ran away? If her father just scooped her up and drove her to safety to start a new life would you accept that?
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Tom
Katonah, NY
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text>
and it has been reported that his relationship with LE is contentious, and that he has sued them. I got the info from Renner's blog.
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Tom
Katonah, NY
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I'm wondering if there is anyway to find this out: When Muara went away with her father to NH He said they did that all the time. I wonder if while Maura got older if she would tradionally start taking her own car.
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Not So
Hingham, MA
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text>
and it has been reported that his relationship with LE is contentious, and that he has sued them. Unless another suit hasn't been reported, Mr. Murray sued for records. Though it was something of a hollow victory, the New Hampshire Supreme Court agreed. See FREDERICK J. MURRAY v. NEW HAMPSHIRE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE, SPECIAL INVESTIGATION UNIT Accordingly, because the respondents have not met their burden to justify withholding the requested documents, we remand the matter for a new hearing. On remand, if the respondents continue to resist disclosure, they must make a presentation that will allow the superior court to determine how disclosure of the requested information could interfere with an ongoing investigation or enforcement proceedings.
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citigirl
Fall River, MA
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text>
and it has been reported that his relationship with LE is contentious, and that he has sued them. he did not sue any one. what he did do is file an FOIA request letter in October of 04. Which is the Freedom of Information Act requesting a copy of s documentation from dispatch logs.
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Bumping for Maura
Åseda, Sweden
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Tom wrote: <quoted text>
In this case I think this is the strongest evidence towards pointing to a POI.(Not to mention anything that LE might have found out on him) I promise you most and any logical LE would have this man pointed as a POI. If LE doesn't have him as a POI then they have no one, because this is the strongest evidence to point to someone. Tom, I think it would be sensible and wise to consider the character smearing of Mr Murray that your comments continously amount to without any evidence whatsoever. I´m far from always agreeing with WTF/Bill, but in this case I must wholeheartedly second his previous post regarding this matter. And no, I´m not part of and/or speaking for the Murray family, just someone who´s been following this heartbreakingly sad and mysterious case for several years by now.
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citigirl
Fall River, MA
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citigirl wrote: <quoted text>he did not sue any one. what he did do is file an FOIA request letter in October of 04. Which is the Freedom of Information Act requesting a copy of s documentation from dispatch logs. there was a response letter in Nov of 05 to the original Freedom of Information Act request letter. There was a filing of notice of appeal in Feb. of 06 by a lawyer to the Freedom of Information Act.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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citigirl wrote: <quoted text>he did not sue any one. what he did do is file an FOIA request letter in October of 04. Which is the Freedom of Information Act requesting a copy of s documentation from dispatch logs. reference post @#9732 a simple FOIA request does not require a lawyer, nor does the matter need to be heard.
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Tom
Katonah, NY
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Bumping for Maura wrote: <quoted text>
Tom,
I think it would be sensible and wise to consider the character smearing of Mr Murray that your comments continously amount to without any evidence whatsoever.
I´m far from always agreeing with WTF/Bill, but in this case I must wholeheartedly second his previous post regarding this matter.
And no, I´m not part of and/or speaking for the Murray family, just someone who´s been following this heartbreakingly sad and mysterious case for several years by now. How am I smearing his character? I'm sure if there was another POI made public and we were speaking about them then others would say stop the character smearing. I'm sorry but there are signs that show that he is a POI. There is more on him than anyone else we know about. A lot of times when a women dies the husband automatically becomes a POI, or if a man dies the wife becomes one. Usually its the people close to us that harm us in cases like this.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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and here is where WTH/Bill, Wowzer and i diverge in opinions; neither they, nor i, nor anyone, with the exception of witnesses to their interactions, can attest to the semi-private or private dynamics and the nature of MM's relationship to her father.
it is not our job to do so.
this investigation is capably in the hands of the CCU, for whatever the outcome.
cyber-sleuthing has its very real limitations.
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Tom
Katonah, NY
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Bumping for Maura wrote: <quoted text>
Tom,
I think it would be sensible and wise to consider the character smearing of Mr Murray that your comments continously amount to without any evidence whatsoever.
I´m far from always agreeing with WTF/Bill, but in this case I must wholeheartedly second his previous post regarding this matter.
And no, I´m not part of and/or speaking for the Murray family, just someone who´s been following this heartbreakingly sad and mysterious case for several years by now. I think a lot of times people like to make bigger mysteries out of crimes. Conspiracy therioes start because no one wants to believe the propossed action. No one wanted to belive that a man can pick up a gun and randomly shoot Kennedy. Thats too easy make it bigger. No one wanted to belive that a bunch of terrorists could get on some planes and kill thousands. It makes us feel to vulnerable. We have to create bigger stories like the government was invloved. For all the theories in the MM case. I think her father doing is much more easy to show than: - A man she was running away with killed her. We never found out who there is no record phone call or email of her contacting anyone to meet. - Some guy driving on the road going home to have dinner with his family sees her, and then all of a sudden sees it as an opportunity to kill someone. - Some serial killer is driving around looking for someone to kill and sees her broken down on a rural road. - How many cars would have passed her in ten minutes 3-4 it was a very rural road what are the odds. - She committed suicide and was able to dispose of her own body in such a way never to be found. I also think that if it was someone so mysterious to Maura where we and LE can't even track the killer/abductor to her the body would have been disposed of rather quickly and would have been found. The fact that the body hasn't been found makes me think it was someone very close to her that did this.
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citigirl
Fall River, MA
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why would Kelly Ayotte assign Fred with an advocate? Obviously he is not a POI.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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Tom wrote: <quoted text>
I think a lot of times people like to make bigger mysteries out of crimes. Conspiracy therioes start because no one wants to believe the propossed action. No one wanted to belive that a man can pick up a gun and randomly shoot Kennedy. Thats too easy make it bigger. No one wanted to belive that a bunch of terrorists could get on some planes and kill thousands. It makes us feel to vulnerable. We have to create bigger stories like the government was invloved.
For all the theories in the MM case. I think her father doing is much more easy to show than:
- A man she was running away with killed her. We never found out who there is no record phone call or email of her contacting anyone to meet.
- Some guy driving on the road going home to have dinner with his family sees her, and then all of a sudden sees it as an opportunity to kill someone.
- Some serial killer is driving around looking for someone to kill and sees her broken down on a rural road.
- How many cars would have passed her in ten minutes 3-4 it was a very rural road what are the odds.
- She committed suicide and was able to dispose of her own body in such a way never to be found.
I also think that if it was someone so mysterious to Maura where we and LE can't even track the killer/abductor to her the body would have been disposed of rather quickly and would have been found. The fact that the body hasn't been found makes me think it was someone very close to her that did this. i tend to agree. these are only opinions being shared, and evidence lies with the CCU, but obvious questions have always remained unanswered and so draw some attention. it is interesting to note the stalking behavior here, chiefly by an individual who wishes to protect her own identity. she quickly and freely jumps to smear others. last i knew, freedom to express an opinion is reasonably alive and well in this country, even if it doesn't mesh with the PBB "party line".
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whitenoise
Berkley, MA
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Advocate wrote: <quoted text>
Fred's job was/is as a medical radiation technologist. I think the equipment he works with would preclude him from having a cellphone -- at least one that was turned on -- with him in the room. As far as taking a call from Maura, since most medical radiation is done by appointment, my guess would be that either he knew already he'd be free at the hour of 8 PM on Monday night, or he had a break scheduled then. Simple.:) I wonder why we were always told his job was repairing/maintaining respiratory equipment for the company that makes it. He wouldn't be working in an actual patient setting, he'd be repairing the respirators in the basement or some place like that.
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Tom
Katonah, NY
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whitenoise wrote: <quoted text>
I wonder why we were always told his job was repairing/maintaining respiratory equipment for the company that makes it. He wouldn't be working in an actual patient setting, he'd be repairing the respirators in the basement or some place like that. Smart enough to repaird hospital equipment, but not smart enough to know a rag deep in the exhaust isn't going to help an already poor performing car. Interesting don't you think.....
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citigirl
Fall River, MA
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text>
reference post @#9732
a simple FOIA request does not require a lawyer, nor does the matter need to be heard. the appeal was done by a lawyer not the FOIA request.are you a lawyer? why are you saying this matter does not need to be heard. Are you a parent? do you have any missing children or family members? And if you answer no how can you say what should and not be heard if all your family members are home safe and sound?
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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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whitenoise wrote: <quoted text>
I wonder why we were always told his job was repairing/maintaining respiratory equipment for the company that makes it. He wouldn't be working in an actual patient setting, he'd be repairing the respirators in the basement or some place like that. Just my 2 cents here. Mom wears a pacemaker, she's 88. I do the readings and send them via phone line, 3 times a year. Medtronics here, checks the readings to make sure her device is working properly. And then there's the once a year wellness check where they review everything. I've been told that medtronics makes, services and refurbishes (if that's the right way to describe the repair of any failty device) right there on it's property in Fridley. Not some basement.
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Not So
Hingham, MA
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Tom wrote: <quoted text>
Smart enough to repaird hospital equipment, but not smart enough to know a rag deep in the exhaust isn't going to help an already poor performing car. Interesting don't you think..... How do you get that he repaired hospital equipment Page #9711 Advocate tells you his occupation. Fred's job was/is as a medical radiation technologist. I sure wouldn't want an auto mechanic shooting nuclear medicine into my veins...pretty sure I'd go to an automechanic to fix my car, probably not a medical technician. Google it!!
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whitenoise
Berkley, MA
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Tom wrote: I'm wondering if there is anyway to find this out: When Muara went away with her father to NH He said they did that all the time. I wonder if while Maura got older if she would tradionally start taking her own car. Maura was a beginner driver, just recently got her license, minimal driving experience under her belt. Unlikely that she would get behind the wheel of an ailing car and drive alone to the icy, slippery, winding roads of remote NH on her own.
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