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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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In Minnesota any moving violation let alone an accident, you get a citation. Period. You always have to go before a judge or pay a fine and face price hikes in your insurance once insurance finds out that is. My caddy broke down and I have to drive my sons car with the whiskey plates. He blew enough, but the blood tests came back beklow. It's because of his mengianoma that it blew so hard. But still, even though he will never drive again, didn't "earn" the wiskey plates, I still have to suffer that until the state can remove it all. I've been stopped by many police and harrassed but NEVER in my turf because I know most of the police and they look out for me. Coming home from a hospital in St Paul,I pulled into a gas station and the cop was right on me. He said i was speeding and weaving,. I was not and my 88 year old mother in back was just as disgusted as I. The other time, same thing, they said I was weaving. Well guess what? It cost me two citations and about 300.00 dollars because of the way some police are. Not fair and not funny to have to wait for normal plates. A bit off subject, but maybe worth the mention.
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mcsmom
Hebron, CT
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Article published Dec 29, 2005
Haverhill
Father keeps up hunt for daughter Sues state in case of missing woman
The Associated Press
Ayotte said between the state police, the Fish and Game Department, other law-enforcement agencies and her own office, thousands of hours have been spent on the investigation.
"The case continues to be pursued vigorously," she said. "Mr. Murray's had frequent contact with both my office and members of the state police. In fact, I personally met with him along with lead investigators of the state police last spring and he was assigned a victim's witness advocate from my office," who has been in contact with him regularly, she said.
The police also have said that they talk with Murray on a regular basis when new leads appear.
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Tom
Katonah, NY
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just me wrote: <quoted text>I think we're saying the same thing Tom.
The progression by all known accounts went something like this.
FRED:
Calls ahead, oh no, he has something he's just got to say to police about his daughter. In Renners interview with Scarinza himself, Scarinza specifically has to say that message Fred left for some other police had to do with a posible squaw walk and Maura. When Fred got there he may have been asked to elaborate. Sharon was in the room and is quoted as saying that he did break into that story in all his dispair, but that he was jumpy and rambling. At some point they get to the rag in the tail pipe part. And you're right, he wants to explain that away. Doesn't seem to occur to him at the time that someone may have put it there to choke the motor, kill his daughter, something sinister like you say. But oh no, all he can think to say is I've told Maura to do that if she drives the car and it's smoking. I have to wonder now too if he was just taken wrong as as Sharon freely lamented, they went along with the police doings, the possible suicide, the possible run away, to the plain and simple missing person.(guys, you know I don't mean that last comment), but they rode with it just hoping to get whatever attention they could to find Maura. I think I'd do the same but I'd throw in every last little thing I could think of. Things he might suspect that had yet to be proven, like any citation given at the time of the accident in Hadley.
When the news came forward that Billy got that cellphone message of muffled crying sounds, being sure it was Maura and all, the police played his recording out loud. They said it was static, as they ALL sat in the same room to hear that "message" amplified. Sharon later says yes, the Red Cross did know my sons number after all. Meanwhile Billy erased this heartbreaking message thinking he could not bear to hear it. If he's on the same calling plan, he may be able to retrieve that call by simply getting to the "to hear erased messages, press one" and after that it's, to get envelope information about this message, press one. That ought to clear it up, huh? Anyhow, I always thought they pushed and pushed this idea of a living brathing Maura in distress to keep the interest at full peak. I understand all the way, I would be deserate myself. I don't know if we are saying the same thing because I'm saying I think Fred either killed his daughter or helped her runaway. The way he handled the rag thing makes me think he had to go on record that his DNA would be on it. I thoink the way LE has treated him poorly but only because he is a strong POI at this point.
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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text>
Iīm not saying Fred did kill Maura, but there has been online rumors circulating he had access to the hospital incinerator where he worked and may have disposed of the body there. But then he would have to had have admitted such a crime of passion to say,,,,Kathleen. Who else could he get, that he could trust, to sit in as Maura and be at the Saturn. For one thing, Kathleen was the one who first spoke with SBD, when he said the "girl" looked different, he could have easily looked up and said something like 'hey wait, she looked like....YOU, are you sure it wasn't YOU driving? Even if it were later, like say Maura was driving with her mad as hell dad on her trail, Fred would have to really make tracks, flips and cartwheels to drive back and do such a horendous thing. I don't believe anything like this myself, not at all. JMO Kathleen was home the next day to take the officers first call I believe. The second call was placed to Freddy......JR to dad. He was told he'd have to file a missing persons report after 24 hours in his own state. Then they called Fredricks correct number. Still, it was Kathleen who broke the news to their dad. That's when he called ahead with what seems to be now verified when you read the interview by MR Scarinza.
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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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chip wrote: <quoted text>hi neighbor Neighbor? OMG. I bear arms and several other things if this is some kind of threat. Been there, done that, ready for anything too. If I'm wrong and jumping the gun at your very sudden appearance, I apologise. So do tell, is it just that you live in MN, changed your proxy to MN, or really do know me? I'd really like to know why you would bother to come in and just say that.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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just me wrote: <quoted text>I think we're saying the same thing Tom.
The progression by all known accounts went something like this.
FRED:
Calls ahead, oh no, he has something he's just got to say to police about his daughter. In Renners interview with Scarinza himself, Scarinza specifically has to say that message Fred left for some other police had to do with a posible squaw walk and Maura. When Fred got there he may have been asked to elaborate. Sharon was in the room and is quoted as saying that he did break into that story in all his dispair, but that he was jumpy and rambling. At some point they get to the rag in the tail pipe part. And you're right, he wants to explain that away. Doesn't seem to occur to him at the time that someone may have put it there to choke the motor, kill his daughter, something sinister like you say. But oh no, all he can think to say is I've told Maura to do that if she drives the car and it's smoking. I have to wonder now too if he was just taken wrong as as Sharon freely lamented, they went along with the police doings, the possible suicide, the possible run away, to the plain and simple missing person.(guys, you know I don't mean that last comment), but they rode with it just hoping to get whatever attention they could to find Maura. I think I'd do the same but I'd throw in every last little thing I could think of. Things he might suspect that had yet to be proven, like any citation given at the time of the accident in Hadley.
When the news came forward that Billy got that cellphone message of muffled crying sounds, being sure it was Maura and all, the police played his recording out loud. They said it was static, as they ALL sat in the same room to hear that "message" amplified. Sharon later says yes, the Red Cross did know my sons number after all. Meanwhile Billy erased this heartbreaking message thinking he could not bear to hear it. If he's on the same calling plan, he may be able to retrieve that call by simply getting to the "to hear erased messages, press one" and after that it's, to get envelope information about this message, press one. That ought to clear it up, huh? Anyhow, I always thought they pushed and pushed this idea of a living brathing Maura in distress to keep the interest at full peak. I understand all the way, I would be deserate myself. it's always been a puzzle to me that Billy would have erased/deleted that message under these circumstances. it just doesn't make sense.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Not So wrote: <quoted text>
I call BS x 20...provide a link. Who told you this Whiston or Quija? Doesn't even make sense. This was mentioned on one of the now defunct forums. I donīt believe it, I too think it is BS, and it doesnīt make sense.
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Anonymous
Vero Beach, FL
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Tom wrote: <quoted text>
I don't know if we are saying the same thing because I'm saying I think Fred either killed his daughter or helped her runaway. Seriously, you are so absurd and ridiculous it's hard to even consider anything you write as anything other than juvenile fiction. It's your opinion and of course you are entitled to it, but that does not mean that you don't come across as a complete and total lunatic. But hey, it seems to work on you buddy!
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Tom
Katonah, NY
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FrmLE wrote: <quoted text>
Seriously, you are so absurd and ridiculous it's hard to even consider anything you write as anything other than juvenile fiction. It's your opinion and of course you are entitled to it, but that does not mean that you don't come across as a complete and total lunatic.
But hey, it seems to work on you buddy! I hope you feel better about yourself. When you want to review the facts get back to me. I'd like to see your theory.
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Not So
Hingham, MA
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text>
This was mentioned on one of the now defunct forums. I donīt believe it, I too think it is BS, and it doesnīt make sense. Oh now we're going to blame defunct forums when you can't back up what you say. If you didn't believe it WHY REPEAT IT?>?>?
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mcsmom
Hebron, CT
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Tom wrote: <quoted text>
I don't know if we are saying the same thing because I'm saying I think Fred either killed his daughter or helped her runaway. The way he handled the rag thing makes me think he had to go on record that his DNA would be on it. I thoink the way LE has treated him poorly but only because he is a strong POI at this point. Re-posting for you and your friends on the Dark Side. Article published Dec 29, 2005 Haverhill Father keeps up hunt for daughter Sues state in case of missing woman The Associated Press Ayotte said between the state police, the Fish and Game Department, other law-enforcement agencies and her own office, thousands of hours have been spent on the investigation. "The case continues to be pursued vigorously," she said. "Mr. Murray's had frequent contact with both my office and members of the state police. In fact, I personally met with him along with lead investigators of the state police last spring and he was assigned a victim's witness advocate from my office," who has been in contact with him regularly, she said. The police also have said that they talk with Murray on a regular basis when new leads appear.
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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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Tom, if you didn't just come in to this whole MMM story, I'm a bit shocked that you're speaking so strongly. You came in kind of slow and now this. What a joy ride for a new comer. FM could not have harmed Maura, read her mind on the topics at hand, let alone pull off the supposed siting of MM by the Saturn. People saw Maura. It would have to be that he caught up with her or something and I don't even care to go there because it just seems like such a stretch.
At least we can all talk so far without being called names and such. Thanks for talking with us here today.
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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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I think Hannah just happened upon it and nothing seems so wrong about passing it on. Lots of things have been said over time that would hairlip the governor, but as Helena Murray would say, they've pretty much heard it all.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Not So wrote: <quoted text>
Oh now we're going to blame defunct forums when you can't back up what you say. If you didn't believe it WHY REPEAT IT?>?>? There were a lot of stuff, both BS and good info on those forums. I commented on Tomīs post, as he seems to consider Fred might have either killed his daughter or helped her run away. I thought the fact this has been discussed might interest him.
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FrmLE
Vero Beach, FL
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Ok Tom, I'll see if I can't 'read up on' this case a little, and I'll get back to you with my theory. Thanks, I shoulda thought about that before commenting on a case I really don't know much about.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text>
it's always been a puzzle to me that Billy would have erased/deleted that message under these circumstances. it just doesn't make sense. That just never sat right with me either.
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Tom
Katonah, NY
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FrmLE wrote: Ok Tom, I'll see if I can't 'read up on' this case a little, and I'll get back to you with my theory.
Thanks, I shoulda thought about that before commenting on a case I really don't know much about. Excellent create a theory and then come back to us. You can't shoot down others if you don't have one yourself. Cause then your just coming off being argumentitive.
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Not So
Hingham, MA
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text>
There were a lot of stuff, both BS and good info on those forums. I commented on Tomīs post, as he seems to consider Fred might have either killed his daughter or helped her run away. I thought the fact this has been discussed might interest him. You really should do some research on the word LIBEL. In fact I can think of a few ohers who would do well to research the word.
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mcsmom
Hebron, CT
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Ohio man accused of interfering in Holly Bobo case Associated Press Posted January 9, 2012 at 10:47 a.m., updated January 9, 2012 at 12:20 p.m. DiscussPrintAAA NASHVILLE, Tenn.(AP) Law enforcement agents have searched the home of an Ohio man they accuse of interfering with the investigation into the disappearance of West Tennessee nursing student Holly Bobo.
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Captain Jack
East Weymouth, MA
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Tom wrote: <quoted text>
How am I smearing his character? I'm sure if there was another POI made public and we were speaking about them then others would say stop the character smearing. I'm sorry but there are signs that show that he is a POI. There is more on him than anyone else we know about.
A lot of times when a women dies the husband automatically becomes a POI, or if a man dies the wife becomes one. Usually its the people close to us that harm us in cases like this. "There is more on him than anyone else WE know about." The key words here are "anyone else WE know about" & therein lies the problem. Because WE don't know anymore POI's does not automatically translate into Fred being guilty. Has it ever occurred to you that just maybe LE has numerous POI's & therein lies a problem for them?
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