Maura Murray

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just me
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I'm still baffled by the affidavit. The way it reads to me is that Mr Landry wants to have all Sprint wireless records, to INCLUDE the Londonderry tower (along the way of her drive).
Just me...please clarify - are you saying that the affidavit was to include the Londonderry tower as well as towers along the way of her drive?
I ask because, the Londonderry tower isn't on the way of her drive as we "presume" to know it to be. I was recently in Londonderry and the tower would only have been on the way of her drive if she'd taken another route north.

THIS IS WHAT I WAS READING
7. Based on the foregoing, there is probable cause to believe evidence in the suspicious disappearance of Maura Murray may be found through Sprint Wireless Cell Tower Telephone Records, including any outgoing calls from the Londonderry tower of Sprint to Maura Murrays Sprint PCs number ********** for February 9, 2004 from 0001 hours to 2400 hours.
Todd D. Landry

THIS PART MADE ME THINK THAT. I do not mean to imply that I know. I am sorry for that, it just sounds like it to me.

"evidence in the suspicious disappearance of Maura Murray may be found through Sprint Wireless Cell Tower Telephone Records, including any outgoing calls from the Londonderry tower"

I'm having a hard time as usual clarifying....they think a person within 22 miles of L tower and on the other side of I93(i think, not sure), tried calling (TO) her cell. This is along the lines of her travel and there must be a reason to have it outstanding (as to include Londonderry in other the SPRINT wireless cellphone records they are requesting)

hannah_b wrote:

Part 2 of 2:
5. During the course of this investigation, Cellular Telephone records have been obtained by Law Enforcement that were used by MURRAY. A representative from Sprint Corporate Security advised this affiant that during the late afternoon hours of February 9, 2004an outgoing telephone call was made to Murray from the Londonderry, NH Sprint tower. This call had to have been made from within a 22 mile radius of the tower. The identity of this caller and telephone number has not been made as of this date.
6. That identifying the caller of the telephone call could be pertinent to the ongoing investigation and may lead to the whereabouts of Maura Murray.
7. Based on the foregoing, there is probable cause to believe evidence in the suspicious disappearance of Maura Murray may be found through Sprint Wireless Cell Tower Telephone Records, including any outgoing calls from the Londonderry tower of Sprint to Maura Murrays Sprint PCs number ********** for February 9, 2004 from 0001 hours to 2400 hours.
Todd D. Landry

dont buy it.. what LE puts out a statement that evidence may be found there.. but they don't have it.. HELLO people.. call records tell you to the second - you can get handoff info.. hogwash.. that is info to get a reaction... no truth to it.

just me wrote:

"an outgoing telephone call was made"
(not attempted)
"made"
am I reading too much into this statement?
They're implying the call was made. I'm thinking they immediately checked to see if anyone had called her along the possible routes. Why? If her phone records didn't show all sides of her record, is it possible it's due to the spotty reception? Not sure it matters, I'm baffled, sorry

i don't know how many times i need to tell you.. it didn't happen paris.

just me wrote:

I'm having a hard time as usual clarifying....they think a person within 22 miles of L tower and on the other side of I93(i think, not sure), tried calling (TO) her cell. This is along the lines of her travel and there must be a reason to have it outstanding (as to include Londonderry in other the SPRINT wireless cellphone records they are requesting)

dont bother.. its a red herring. scientifically NOT possilbe. K.. they are stating info about someone else phone.. that is all we care about.

Maura did NOT receive an incoming call.

I do see where Helena would have gotten tired of going over and over again about things she knew for certain. This info - is not true and has been verified by the family. 22 years in the business I know my shit.

just me wrote:

<quoted text>THIS IS WHAT I WAS READING
7. Based on the foregoing, there is probable cause to believe evidence in the suspicious disappearance of Maura Murray may be found through Sprint Wireless Cell Tower Telephone Records, including any outgoing calls from the Londonderry tower of Sprint to Maura Murrays Sprint PCs number ********** for February 9, 2004 from 0001 hours to 2400 hours.
Todd D. Landry

I am going to let you guys speculate and think it through - test the waters .. etc... That is not how a request looks

ALSO... pretty ridiculous to just assume whoever is calling her is on sprint too considering they were #4 at the time..... that is fishy... but... test the waters... why not check verizon or att or tmobile?. hmmmmmm suspisous. I DOUBT Mr Murray is on Sprint either.

Dawn wrote:

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dont bother.. its a red herring. scientifically NOT possilbe. K.. they are stating info about someone else phone.. that is all we care about.
Maura did NOT receive an incoming call.
I do see where Helena would have gotten tired of going over and over again about things she knew for certain. This info - is not true and has been verified by the family. 22 years in the business I know my shit.

Lol, I know Maura did not get a call and I see what you mean, really. Discard the rest of my babble as pure wonderment at it's finest.
Here's what pops to mind now. It says "Murray" on the affidavit. Police told family they thought it was Fred driving the car in NH. But he goes to NH every chance he gets, even after hearing that Maura is not in the area. Something seems wrong with this picture.
What's the date of the affidavit? Maybe they were checking Billy's records at the time. Must be some reason they decided to do this besides making somebody nervous.

Must be some reason they decided to do this besides making somebody nervous.......

Especially when the family already knew it was not accurate or even worthy of discussion.

Dawn wrote:

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dont bother.. its a red herring. scientifically NOT possilbe. K.. they are stating info about someone else phone.. that is all we care about.
Maura did NOT receive an incoming call.
I do see where Helena would have gotten tired of going over and over again about things she knew for certain. This info - is not true and has been verified by the family. 22 years in the business I know my shit.

how many times have you made this statement, and backed it up? countless.
in addition, you have nothing to gain or lose by the information you are graciously sharing.
i appreciate your frustration.

Pretty crazy odds that Landry would only want to check Sprint towers............ who knows who might have tried to call.. could have been a landline phone.. or verizon..... looks like an investigation in a vacuum to me. Its like leaving a bunch of money on the table and taking spare change... sprint of all carriers .... I don't think Landry would put such limits on an inquiry that he thinks will help....... just not the right thing to do. - mileage is pure BS too. no such thing as X amount of miles. Its line of sight - period. That really let me know it was bogus.

I've been playing 'concentration' since the first MM forum. When I look back at this and that, and oh yeah~ that other thing......I have to laugh. Because I remember, enough said.
What good is a red herring.........EVER? Ticks me off

Dawn wrote:

Pretty crazy odds that Landry would only want to check Sprint towers.......... who knows who might have tried to call.. could have been a landline phone.. or verizon..... looks like an investigation in a vacuum to me. Its like leaving a bunch of money on the table and taking spare change... sprint of all carriers .... I don't think Landry would put such limits on an inquiry that he thinks will help....... just not the right thing to do.- mileage is pure BS too. no such thing as X amount of miles. Its line of sight - period. That really let me know it was bogus.

Afraid to ask, but will. When an affidavit is written up, do you have to request from each carrier separately? See what I mean, that maybe this affidavit was for Sprint and Sprint alone....
AND/OR by letting this one leak out of the secret cats bag, a guilty party would feel safe.

just me wrote:

<quoted text>Lol, I know Maura did not get a call and I see what you mean, really. Discard the rest of my babble as pure wonderment at it's finest.
Here's what pops to mind now. It says "Murray" on the affidavit. Police told family they thought it was Fred driving the car in NH. But he goes to NH every chance he gets, even after hearing that Maura is not in the area. Something seems wrong with this picture.
What's the date of the affidavit? Maybe they were checking Billy's records at the time. Must be some reason they decided to do this besides making somebody nervous.

Billy and Maura were on a shared plan - SAME BILL... He was cleared - period. His phone reocrds and everything checked out. Please don't point the finger at the poor guy.. His PHONE was NOT in NH. He was where he was stationed. That is not fair to even go there. That obviously has been cleared by LE and the phone records. He has suffered enough.

Hey I'm not saying that, I know he was cleared! I know they were on the same bill! That's what you thought when you read it.
What I'm doing is trying to look at this in alot of ways and it gets jumbled I'm sure.

A THEORY:
Police checked all towers, got lucky on the Londonderry Sprint tower
AFTER
they got Mauras records.

They saw that Maura had called somebody who lived, worked or ////whatever in that area, by the looks of her bill.

THEN they called security, found that a call had gone out to her number
BUT
because it didn't connect, they needed to dig deeper and the rest is history. Read this again and again to see why I wonder:

5. During the course of this investigation, Cellular Telephone records have been obtained by Law Enforcement that were used by MURRAY. A representative from Sprint Corporate Security advised this affiant that during the late afternoon hours of February 9, 2004an outgoing telephone call was made to Murray from the Londonderry, NH Sprint tower. This call had to have been made from within a 22 mile radius of the tower. The identity of this caller and telephone number has not been made as of this date.

MY LAST STATEMENT ON THIS IS CAN A TRACK PHONE OR PAY AS YOU GO PLAN BE DETECTED BY OTHER CARRIER TOWERS WHILE IN USE? Not trying to yell, just trying to hurry b4 people get me wrong.

Dawn, while I am sure you mean only the best can you PLEASE ease up on the my-crap-don't-stink-holier-tha n-thou-I-know-more-than-you/I- know-my-sh*t stuff?
We get it by now, ok? You have avenues to help that some of us dont, WE GET IT! Quit tooting ur own horn please!
It's a turn-off, it really is and I WANT so much to like you and I want so much for you to be able to provide a few answers that the rest of us seek.
That being said, do you know if Sharon knows of what you can do for this case?
If she does why do you think she hasn't let you help yet?
And if she doesn't is there any way known to anyone that can help Dawn reach Sharon personally?
I hate to think Helena passed this on to Fred and nothing came of it.

Dawn wrote:

Pretty crazy odds that Landry would only want to check Sprint towers.......... who knows who might have tried to call.. could have been a landline phone.. or verizon..... looks like an investigation in a vacuum to me. Its like leaving a bunch of money on the table and taking spare change... sprint of all carriers .... I don't think Landry would put such limits on an inquiry that he thinks will help....... just not the right thing to do.- mileage is pure BS too. no such thing as X amount of miles. Its line of sight - period. That really let me know it was bogus.

Still on my mind is that after they reviewed Maura's cell phone history, the bill and whatever else about it....that they called the Sprint wireless SECURTY people. Sounds like he's trying to make a case. Doesn't each group of carrier have a list of certain numbers that they can give out that are unique to them? If Maura was calling xxx-xxx (area code and first three numbers), from what I've read you can find out the carrier just from that alone. So they start thinking Sprint, hmm, wonder if that person there tried to call her anywhere between 01 hours and 2400,(midnight) on Monday. Maybe to work an angle on a suspect while needing evidence. Makes me wonder whatever if any other affidavits might be out there and how the case is progressing.
I'm not trying to haggle you Dawn, just sharing my thoughts with everyone is all.

gvmeabrk

as I have said before.. I have answered this many times - with clear explanation. I do not know how to get ahold of sharon. so hopefully someone read something and let her know. I am slammed at work... so adios..

ps.. I think your reply was a bit rude... i know the facts of wireless service etc... so if you think that makes someone be like their shit don't stink.. well... the answers have been given here and are always on advocates site. of all people - dissapointing.

Dawn wrote:

gvmeabrk
as I have said before.. I have answered this many times - with clear explanation. I do not know how to get ahold of sharon. so hopefully someone read something and let her know. I am slammed at work... so adios..
ps.. I think your reply was a bit rude... i know the facts of wireless service etc... so if you think that makes someone be like their shit don't stink.. well... the answers have been given here and are always on advocates site. of all people - dissapointing.

Back in MN so soon Dawn? You sure travel a lot.
Sorry, couldn't help myself Dawn.

I know can you keeep up with me... I am where I always am.. Seattle - downtown in a highrise..... Your back from Norway so soon ?