Maura Murray

mcsmom wrote:

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An easy jog back to retrieve her phone at the party....

Rod wrote:

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If it always happens as you say it does then no person who goes missing in the wilderness would ever be found. Yet, people are found months, years later.

jwb wrote:

other items such as her coat/shoes backpack or booze would take longer to decompose than the body

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Bumping for Maura wrote:

OK,
Here´s a question for you all:
Who can seriously dispute the fact that the last publicly known, reliable ID of Maura is that of Officer Mark Ruddock, of the Hadley,MA, PD after Maura crashed her father´s car in the middle of the night?
Thanks.

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FrmLE wrote:

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Interesting, because quite frankly that is the absolute most likely, simpliest explanation. Perhaps not to you, based on yout experience in whatever you do and whatever you have seen in your life.
However, having done this for 22 years, it is the most likely, most plausible explanation of what happened to Maura, that she is on those woods somewhere dead.
I have said it before, I will repeat. My estimate, and the estimate of those who have also worked this case, is that it is about 98% likely she perished alone in those woods. About 1.5% she was abducted and killed, and only about .5% she is alive living a life somewhere under an assumed name.
Thats pretty darn accurate, I think your experience may be lacking.
Just my opinion.

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Jwb wrote:

The video of Maura buying alcohol and or at the atm was the last known sighting.

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FrmLE wrote:

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However, having done this for 22 years, it is the most likely, most plausible explanation of what happened to Maura, that she is on those woods somewhere dead.
I have said it before, I will repeat. My estimate, and the estimate of those who have also worked this case,

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Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>One small caveat. If the officer responding to the Corolla crash positively identified her, and then he, so to speak, handed her off to the tow truck driver, and, especially if she used AAA for the tranport to the motel, then I guess the tow truck driver would be the last one, but that's not truly as solid as the ID by a police officer.
Having said that, it's very possible that Maura was not driving the Corolla when it crashed. Because... If she was familiar with the route, then she would probably not have run the stop sign and crashed into the guardrail opposite the end of N. Hadley Rd. Unless her driving was impaired, which can happen from too much alcohol - among other things.
If she had never driven the N. Hadley Rd. route, then she probably would have taken University Dr to Russell St to the motel. That's the normal route you would take from SW to the motel. I drive these roads every day, so I'm very familiar with local habits.
So... If Maura was not driving the Corolla, who was?
And, to throw out another really tiny caveat, it's possible - very unlikely, but possible - that someone who merely looked like Maura and who had borrowed her license was at the scene. But that seems very, very unlikely.
Therefore, I think it probable that Maura was either quite impaired or was not driving the Corolla when it crashed. Which brings up two questions: Who was driving the Corolla? And/or why was Maura not arrest for operating under?

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FrmLE wrote:

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This is true, in fact those items would not really decompose at all. They would however be scattered to the extent that considering the scope of the possibly search area, it would be akin to finding a needle in a hay field.

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Det Columbo wrote:

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I am so sick of you spouting off about "OCCAM"....Why don't You think for Yourself. The narrow minded take awhile to get things. Just saying.
John

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Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>This would be true if SBD had given a really detailed description of Maura, a description that would have reliably and specifically distinguished her from all the other unfamiliar dark haired females one talks to for a half-minute or minute in the dark.

hannah_b wrote:

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Friends with the cop?

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FrmLE wrote:

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Back on topic, look obviously, anything is possible. It is possible that Maura was not driving that night in Haverhill, but it is extremely unlikely. Less than .001% based on the circumstances and the ID by Butch. So it is possible, anything is possible, but really is it worth discussing?

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Beagle wrote:

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Exactly in what capacity did you "work" this case?
To what NHSP troop or office were you assigned when you retired?
Or were you a municipal or county police officer? What department?
Were you a fully sworn New Hampshire State Police officer?
Were you an officer of the court for all those 22 years?
If you want to say we should believe you based on your mainly on your experience, then back it up with something specific.

hannah_b wrote:

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And why is it that we never had a detailed description of what she was wearing other than jeans and a dark coat, in spite of there reportedly being a video of her? Usually someone, family or friend, is able to tell what the person is wearing based on exclusion, knowing what clothing they own.

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A search dog is trained to ONLY go for the scent of living people. The dead body or parts of it would have been traceable only if they searched with a specially trained cadaver dog, a dog trained to ONLY respond to the scent of human remains (blood even if degraded does not contain cadaverine), and of course the cadaver dog would have to be used in the right location. I believe we can assume with a fair degree of safety that IF Maura´s body is somewhere out in the woods, it is nowhere near where the car ended up. I have worked with SAR dogs for close to 15 years, my instructor had done work with cadaver dogs, and we had classes about cadaver dogs as well.

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FrmLE wrote:

I would like anyone who has seen Det Columbos credentials to offer any proof he is who he claims to be.
I officially call Bullshit.

Snowy wrote:

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another young woman.