Beagle
Amherst, MA
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text> And why is it that we never had a detailed description of what she was wearing other than jeans and a dark coat, in spite of there reportedly being a video of her? Usually someone, family or friend, is able to tell what the person is wearing based on exclusion, knowing what clothing they own. Good question. But even then it would be hard. Stand outside DuBois Library during the week and see how many young women who vaguely resemble Maura walk by. A huge number of college students - and young people in general, in or not in college - wear very similar clothing, especially jeans. For instance, it's not easy in the dark to distinguish my EMS jacket from a North Face jacket. The description of Maura is very vague. It fits a huge part of the population. Did SBD know, for example, whether Maura was wearing height altering footwear? I doubt it. SBD described someone who looked like Maura, but if you're going to be really strict about it, the description cannot be relied on. You cannot have it both ways.
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jwb
Portland, ME
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FrmLE wrote: <quoted text> Because until they find a body it is still an open investigation, that's how it works. What benefit would there be to releasing the information? So the keyboard detectives and internet superslueths can figure it all out on then interwebz? <quoted text> I don't think she ran that deep into the woods to avoid the police, I think she went into the woods to be alone at the end. This is exactly what her father first thought when contacted by the HPD. Either that or she went into the woods with the intent to commit suicide and got lost and/or disoriented in the dark and was unable to get out before she succumbed to the elements. Those are the two most likely scenarios IMO. It sure didn't sound from Scarinzas interview with Mr Renner that there was enough information to be 98% sure nothing happened to her. In fact he said the following: Scarinza continued that train of thought: "My sense is that she might have gotten a ride. But we don't know her ultimate destination. It's interesting that her backpack was missing from her car. That some liquor was missing. Until we know for sure what happened, we're going to treat this case as if she was a victim of a crime."
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jwb
Portland, ME
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FRMLE , are you saying that most everyone else involved in the case disagrees with the retired head investigator of the case?
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jwb
Portland, ME
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Bumping for Maura wrote: <quoted text> Beagle, Excellent questions there! He previously stated he was a lead investigator.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text> Friends with the cop? I live in Hadley, about a 10 minute walk from the police station. I was very slightly acquainted with about half the department for a couple of years. I'm not sure what happened, but there is something about the Corolla crash that stinks around here. According to Renner (who I personally believe is a joke), if you believe anything he writes, then Scarinza, too, wonders why Maura was not arrested at the Corolla crash, presumably for operating under. 2-4 years ago, there was some trouble with a sergeant at the Hadley PD. The select board hired a Boston company to investigate. It was a real hot potato around here. After the town received the report, everything was "no comment." The report was never released. No statement of any use or specificity was ever released by the select board. Maura may never have seen the responding officer, but she might have dropped a name. Also, "kitten" said, in what I think was his/her last post, which I can no longer locate on Topix, that Maura was pulled over, presumably by a Hadley police officer, on Rt. 47. Rt. 47 is well west of the site of the Corolla crash. Kitten's post might have implied that Maura was pulled over a place along 47 here you could see the UMass campus, which would be in N. Hadley, between Comins Rd and Stockbridge. After that post, kitten disappeared, and maybe her last post also disappeared. Also, the only time even a small amount of vandalism happened in my old neighborhood in over 20 years, before I moved to Hadley, occurred just hours after I mentioned on a now-deleted Topix thread that police were all over the Corolla not long after the crash (Monday AM, at North Amherst Motors). Coincidence? Maybe.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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jwb wrote: <quoted text> He previously stated he was a lead investigator. Sorry, that's too vague. What did his paycheck say? State of New Hampshire? If so, what office? Trolls and clones of trolls.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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findmaura wrote: <quoted text> Does Maura have any siblings that look similar in the dark?Does Maura have siblings that look similar on liquor store videos?As i recall Mauras hysterical response to a phone call "My sister,my sister" someone recently linked a FB page presumed to be of MM's sister on an Amherst Topix thread. it's a matter of opinion as to how much they may resemble each other.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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findmaura wrote: <quoted text> Does Maura have any siblings that look similar in the dark?Does Maura have siblings that look similar on liquor store videos?As i recall Mauras hysterical response to a phone call "My sister,my sister" I'm male, but when much younger, even my sister, wearing heels, looked like me in the dark. We are distinctly male and female, but our facial and postural resemblance were striking. Our voices, however, were a little different.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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jwb wrote: <quoted text> It sure didn't sound from Scarinzas interview with Mr Renner that there was enough information to be 98% sure nothing happened to her. In fact he said the following: Scarinza continued that train of thought: "My sense is that she might have gotten a ride. But we don't know her ultimate destination. It's interesting that her backpack was missing from her car. That some liquor was missing. Until we know for sure what happened, we're going to treat this case as if she was a victim of a crime." But one - or is it two?- posters vehemently disagree with this. This thread is a propaganda organ for at least one person or group. Maybe two. Someone (or more) has a huge stake in minimizing the Corolla crash and in place Maura at the WB curve.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text> someone recently linked a FB page presumed to be of MM's sister on an Amherst Topix thread. it's a matter of opinion as to how much they may resemble each other. Do you - or does anyone else - remember the group photo at the restaurant?
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text>Do you - or does anyone else - remember the group photo at the restaurant? yes, but not in any detail.
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Jwb
Lincoln, NH
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I thought that her friend Liz Drewniak Pic on renners Blog looked a lot like maura but in other pictures not so much.
Beagle i had seen the restaurant pic on the disappeared series not sure where else it might be.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text> I live in Hadley, about a 10 minute walk from the police station. I was very slightly acquainted with about half the department for a couple of years. I'm not sure what happened, but there is something about the Corolla crash that stinks around here. According to Renner (who I personally believe is a joke), if you believe anything he writes, then Scarinza, too, wonders why Maura was not arrested at the Corolla crash, presumably for operating under. 2-4 years ago, there was some trouble with a sergeant at the Hadley PD. The select board hired a Boston company to investigate. It was a real hot potato around here. After the town received the report, everything was "no comment." The report was never released. No statement of any use or specificity was ever released by the select board. Maura may never have seen the responding officer, but she might have dropped a name. Also, "kitten" said, in what I think was his/her last post, which I can no longer locate on Topix, that Maura was pulled over, presumably by a Hadley police officer, on Rt. 47. Rt. 47 is well west of the site of the Corolla crash. Kitten's post might have implied that Maura was pulled over a place along 47 here you could see the UMass campus, which would be in N. Hadley, between Comins Rd and Stockbridge. After that post, kitten disappeared, and maybe her last post also disappeared. Also, the only time even a small amount of vandalism happened in my old neighborhood in over 20 years, before I moved to Hadley, occurred just hours after I mentioned on a now-deleted Topix thread that police were all over the Corolla not long after the crash (Monday AM, at North Amherst Motors). Coincidence? Maybe. I´m looking at google maps, and I´m wondering if she may have been on her way back to UMass, rather than going from it?
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Just to be totally clear... I'm not by any means suggesting that anyone in the restaurant photo was at either the Corolla crash or at the Haverhill NH crash at the WB curve.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text> I´m looking at google maps, and I´m wondering if she may have been on her way back to UMass, rather than going from it? That's actually an excellent question. The only thing is that the Corolla, according to the accident report, was headed away from UMass on N. Hadley Road when it ran the stop sign and crossed Roosevelt where it hit the guard rail. But you're right, it should not be ruled out that Maura was somewhere else before the Corolla crash. It's not necessarily true that Maura was headed directly from SW to the motel. She may have not intended to go to the motel at all until the Corolla crash. Hard to say.
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WTH-the-original wrote: <quoted text> If I was listening to you, I wouldn't know shit, would I? I have been trained in physics, higher math and the physical sciences as a mechanical engineer. I have programed computers professionally for decades. They follow strict rules of logic. I can smell bullshit from miles away. What really strikes me as incredibly odd is someone who is supposed to be a professional investigator is offended by one of the most basic of rules of logical thought. Strange indeed. Bill Here's an example of this professional investigators "professional" remarks. PI Language 101 **I hope the next time I see You at the chinese rest. I get a chance to shove an egg roll in your face.** Yep, professionalism at it's best.
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aftermath
Gouverneur, NY
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Bumping for Maura wrote: Well, it´s quite interesting to see that the NHSP Cold Case Unit is describing the circumstances of Maura´s case as being "suspicious" on its own official web page. Doesn´t really seem to me as if the NHSP CCU considers Maura´s case to be a matter of someone who either intentionally or not perished in the woods... Such a scenario would hardly warrant the word "suspicious". Bumping for Maura, Why wasn't the entire case handed over to the FBI from the beginning? Given some of the speculation and accusations being tossed around in 2004, it would have seemed like an appropriate move? Recently became aware of 2 cases where two abandoned vehicles had been found and in both instances the drivers' had disappeared/were missing. These two disappearances were very similar and LE in charge of the two investigations turned both cases over to outside LE. In light of the fact that the FBI offered to take MM's case(????) why was the offer rejected?
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Wowzer the real one wrote: <quoted text> Here's an example of this professional investigators "professional" remarks. PI Language 101 **I hope the next time I see You at the chinese rest. I get a chance to shove an egg roll in your face.** Yep, professionalism at it's best. I know. I never really questioned his credentials before. Didn't shack use to call him the Irish terrier or some crap like that? Was it him? I wonder if she ever saw any credentials? At least something that wasn't a mail order badge and certificate. Bill
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Anybody remember Chris Flynn? They found his van in Haverhill, NH. Remember the same list of morons that insisted that there wasn't any evidence that Chris actually drove the van there? That he was killed in MA and then the murderers drove the van up there to throw everyone off of the trail? Anyone remember that case? Shocking when Chris popped up no worse for the wear. All those murder conspiracy theories and secret van transports. Remember those? They were fun while they lasted. Of course some of use were trying to explain that there was no evidence that he wasn't there. That the person who likely was in Chris Flynn's van as Chris Flynn. But, people let their imaginations fly and insisted that foul play was involved and that there was no evidence that Chris was ever in NH. We actually have closure in this case. And guess what? It was Chris who drove his van to NH and walked away. Who would have thought? Oh, that's right, a whole group here said that by following simple rules of logic, including Occam.
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aftermath
Gouverneur, NY
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Snowy wrote: no, no, no. we're talking Amherst. if Haverhill, hypothermia. if Amherst, her death may have occurred there, and her body may have been disposed of in MA, or elsewhere, but not necessarily in NH. Gee Tom, Sounds like Snowy may be leaning toward the theory that "Big Foot" a local inhabitant of the area nabbed Maura and took her out of state (ANYWHERE but NH!@!! LOL). Next Snowy will attempt to convince everyone that BF was after the 5 cent Maine refund on that booze bottle! So THAT'S where the bottle went, right Snowy?!
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