Maura Murray

Jwb wrote:

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That is another reason I don't buy FMLE and him saying 98% she just ran off and perished into the woods. The family would have been shown the video to confirm that it was maura. What is the harm in that if a perp doesn't exist?
Do we know 100% certainty that no one besides LE has seen the video?

I agree with this point. One would assume that this is strong evidence and there is good reason for making this public.

Fred Murray was claiming she ran away when she first went missing, and if LE thought that she did run away they would have shown that to him to prove it was her.

Advocate wrote:

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Maybe Maura had gone back to her room for about an hour and sobered up.
Question, were the roads around campus icy at that time, or icy in spots? Wondering if there was ice or re-freeze at that T-intersection and maybe she skidded/slid through to the guardrail when she tried to stop?

Below is for Feb 7,2004 3am weather was unavailable.

6:55 AM 30.2 °F - 30.2 °F 100% 29.52 in 4.0 mi NNE 2.3 mph - N/A Light Freezing Drizzle

10:55 pm Saturday night Feb 7,2004

10:55 PM 24.8 °F 14.6 °F 12.2 °F 59% 29.80 in 30.0 mi NW 10.4 mph - N/A Mostly Cloudy

IDK of any other reported accidents that night at this intersection. You'd think Ruddock would have mentioned slippery conditions in his report if it was a factor.

Yes indeed....Still Ex LE and PI. I have no burden of proof to anyone on this site and I would be crazy to give out that info.

What do Ya think I am just gonna put My license #, address, phone, physical description or any other info on here that would identify Myself.

IF FrmLE would like to back up his credentials maybe I would think about it.

BUT....Occam says I should probably not do that.

John

Was anyone there at the search for Maura and at Mtn. lake lodge command post.? If so I was there for 2 days. Put Your thinking caps on and leave Occam out of it.

John

Snowy wrote:

something happened in Amherst.
but what? with whom?

it was reported after her disappearance that a friend didn't want to "get her in trouble" by sharing some piece of unknown information

it is unknown if she occupied her dorm room on campus; or whether she stayed off-campus in another living situation

she told friends she was heading out to her father's motel room 2:30AM ish and couldn't be dissuaded from the idea

a relationship with someone other than Billy has been revealed

her emotional meltdown was witnessed by her supervisor

what was going on in her life? and with whom?

legit questions.

Det Columbo wrote:

Was anyone there at the search for Maura and at Mtn. lake lodge command post.? If so I was there for 2 days. Put Your thinking caps on and leave Occam out of it.
John

Columbo is your assessment the same as FMLE as far as the percentages etc that he previously stated ?

MAYBE LE would solve a lot more cases if they didn't depend on "Occam's razor" to do all the work for them.

Use those brains You were given and don't rely on Mr. Occam because He must be pretty tired from all the years of MISUSE.

John

Jwb wrote:

They are just playing with you to make a point that the Bizzare just doesn't fit.They are all about the facts and there are no facts supporting what they are selling.

uuhhh, queen of all things "perp" and flights of fancy with aftermath. facts? you? lol
do men really talk about "envy"? didn't think so.

Det Columbo wrote:

MAYBE LE would solve a lot more cases if they didn't depend on "Occam's razor" to do all the work for them.
Use those brains You were given and don't rely on Mr. Occam because He must be pretty tired from all the years of MISUSE.
John

Every person that has claimed Occam's Razor mentions a very plausable theory. The fact that you attack the plausable theories is beyond me. Its like your living in a parallel universe where you don't want truth to exist.

Det Columbo wrote:

Yes indeed....Still Ex LE and PI. I have no burden of proof to anyone on this site and I would be crazy to give out that info.
What do Ya think I am just gonna put My license #, address, phone, physical description or any other info on here that would identify Myself.
IF FrmLE would like to back up his credentials maybe I would think about it.
BUT....Occam says I should probably not do that.
John

You are correct. You really don't need to display any of that information. Your lack of basic investigative technique and your lack of knowledge in the use of logic seems to speak for itself.

Truthfully, if you ever have done an investigation were you one of those guys using psychics, and actually paying attention to them?

And no, I remember hearing about the cluster stoop at the lodge. Glad I wasn't there. It must have been quite the sight. Shack huddled in the corner crying and you doing, whatever it is you think you did.

Bill

Det Columbo wrote:

Yes indeed....Still Ex LE and PI. I have no burden of proof to anyone on this site and I would be crazy to give out that info.
What do Ya think I am just gonna put My license #, address, phone, physical description or any other info on here that would identify Myself.
IF FrmLE would like to back up his credentials maybe I would think about it.
BUT....Occam says I should probably not do that.
John

You can be a great detective for all we know who solved many cases, and if that is true thank you for your service. The way you are showing your logic and your theories on this forum shows that the closest you have ever come to LE is by having a friend who was a mall cop. Its what you do with the credentials that counts.

Tom wrote:

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Every person that has claimed Occam's Razor mentions a very plausable theory. The fact that you attack the plausable theories is beyond me. Its like your living in a parallel universe where you don't want truth to exist.

Don't forget. Our junior detective also claims to have an "expert" that claims the damage to the front of the car didn't come from the accident and the trees on the scene. It is mysterious since he hasn't told us where the damage came from, though they tossed this turd about damage from a trailer hitch out once, years ago. Anyone see metal on metal damage on the hood of the car in the photos???? I suspect that the "expert" is as qualified as Det Columbo. My bullshit-o-meter is still pegging in the red on that one.

Bill

Tom wrote:

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You can be a great detective for all we know who solved many cases, and if that is true thank you for your service. The way you are showing your logic and your theories on this forum shows that the closest you have ever come to LE is by having a friend who was a mall cop. Its what you do with the credentials that counts.

lol

Det Columbo wrote:

MAYBE LE would solve a lot more cases if they didn't depend on "Occam's razor" to do all the work for them.
Use those brains You were given and don't rely on Mr. Occam because He must be pretty tired from all the years of MISUSE.
John

Absolutely. They should be reading animal entrails, tea leaves and listening to psychics. That will really advance the science of criminal investigations. I know any case I sat on in a jury I would have to convict if someone told me the tea leaves said he did it. And how could anyone argue with a psychic who said it happened a certain way.

No need for all that complicated science stuff. Your way is likely the way of the future. Oh wait, that was how we did it in the dark ages. We already tried that didn't we? I think I'll stick with science and logic.

Bill

Tom wrote:

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Every person that has claimed Occam's Razor mentions a very plausable theory. The fact that you attack the plausable theories is beyond me. Its like your living in a parallel universe where you don't want truth to exist.

"truth" can't be determined; not here, anyway. best chance is for LE to get a new piece of information or find physical evidence.

Jwb wrote:

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Columbo is your assessment the same as FMLE as far as the percentages etc that he previously stated ?

Don't forget... anyone can use the unregistered name "FrmLE". It might be an honest poster writing in every couple of weeks and at other times it could be the abductor/murderer trying to throw everyone off with inadequately backed-up statistics. That may also explain the Jekyll & Hyde nature of FrmLE's contributions to this thread.

If NH LE is still working in earnest on Maura's disappearance they obviously DON'T think it's 98.5% probable that she perished in the woods of her own volition and was gobbled up by wild beasties.

Snowy wrote:

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"truth" can't be determined; not here, anyway. best chance is for LE to get a new piece of information or find physical evidence.

I think they are a lot of truths to this case. The problem is, is that it lacks evidence to create the final piece of the puzzle. The problem this blog runs into is even when there is some form of a truth, we question it or discard it so we can plan an even bigger conspiracy.

We raise even bigger scenarios and less likely stories that deviate us even farther from the truth.

Tom wrote:

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I think they are a lot of truths to this case. The problem is, is that it lacks evidence to create the final piece of the puzzle. The problem this blog runs into is even when there is some form of a truth, we question it or discard it so we can plan an even bigger conspiracy.
We raise even bigger scenarios and less likely stories that deviate us even farther from the truth.

i challenge you to list verified, documented "truths" that are not conflicting and that we can agree upon. the problem with forums/boards/blogs is that an active campaign was initiated from day 1 to present and often to misrepresent factual information about MM.
if someone questioned the veracity and/or logic of said information, they were tossed out of the discussion, which, of course, was controlled a person(s) representing the father.
and so the water is pretty muddy.
therein lies the problem.

Frostman wrote:

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If NH LE is still working in earnest on Maura's disappearance they obviously DON'T think it's 98.5% probable that she perished in the woods of her own volition and was gobbled up by wild beasties.

Another person that doesn't have a clue how things work. Because it is an investigation they will try to investigate. It will hard for them to interview the squirrels and bears to find out what they have seen. i.e. did you see Mr. coyote actually eating Ms. Murray or did you hear Mr. bobcat say he saw Mr. coyote eating her?

So what they are left with is investigating sightings, talking to family and friends again. Kind of like a normal investigation. Unless, wait, you don't think they are going to check with psychics, do you?

They likely won't discover whether she ran off into the woods or if she is dead from some other reason unless more evidence turns up. I'm sure they are good cops, but even good cops can't make evidence. At least the good ones don't. They might just need to wait like the rest of us.

There are some detectives (or at least claim they are detectives) that like to mash the evidence to fit their theory. I assume the professional ones will just follow the evidence.

Bill