Tom
Chesterfield, MO
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Det Columbo wrote: "Occam's razor, also known as Ockham's razor, and sometimes expressed in Latin as lex parsimoniae (the law of parsimony, economy or succinctness), is a principle that generally recommends that, from among competing hypotheses, selecting the one that makes the fewest new assumptions usually provides the correct one, and that the simplest explanation will be the most plausible until evidence is presented to prove it false." 1) The part that says "usually provides" 2) The part that says "until evidence" Both of these give leeway to the factor of The Big IF. Well anyone on this forum has the right to post any theory whether it be totally plausible or to the far reaches of the universe. It is not anyone else's right to deny them of this. Everyone has their own theories and will continue to do so. IF You keep choosing to bash people the way You do makes You no better than Me for what You call unprofessional. My word....GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSES and put those over enlarged EGOS in tow. Again I raise the question of what kind of cop You must have been if You are so ARROGANT now. Looks like You saved some of Your arrogance for retirement and from what I can see You certainly know how to serve it up. Protect and Serve. John You will be judged in a public forum what you claim to be by what you say. And your attacks on people with their logic method is silly. Your the one that started all of this and put in writing that you have a problem with people focusing on more logical theories than others. Now people are questioning your lack of problem solving skills and your angry. Now as people call you out you cry freedom of speech.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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WTH-the-original wrote: <quoted text> So what did he show you that has you convinced he is ex-LE and a private detective? Because again, judging from his history and current statements I am starting to have doubts. I can't say your current statement makes much sense to me either. Bill he made these claims to me in person, but did not offer verification, nor was he asked to do so. i would err toward your suspicions, WTH/Bill.
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Tom
Chesterfield, MO
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WTH-the-original wrote: <quoted text> I can't say your current statement makes much sense to me either. Bill LOL...I thought I was the only one.
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Det Columbo wrote: "Occam's razor, also known as Ockham's razor, and sometimes expressed in Latin as lex parsimoniae (the law of parsimony, economy or succinctness), is a principle that generally recommends that, from among competing hypotheses, selecting the one that makes the fewest new assumptions usually provides the correct one, and that the simplest explanation will be the most plausible until evidence is presented to prove it false." 1) The part that says "usually provides" 2) The part that says "until evidence" Both of these give leeway to the factor of The Big IF. Well anyone on this forum has the right to post any theory whether it be totally plausible or to the far reaches of the universe. It is not anyone else's right to deny them of this. Everyone has their own theories and will continue to do so. IF You keep choosing to bash people the way You do makes You no better than Me for what You call unprofessional. My word....GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSES and put those over enlarged EGOS in tow. Again I raise the question of what kind of cop You must have been if You are so ARROGANT now. Looks like You saved some of Your arrogance for retirement and from what I can see You certainly know how to serve it up. Protect and Serve. John Well at least you know how to use Google. Occam is your friend. He helps turn chaos into easily charted waters. Use him. It will help you navigate this thing called investigation. This is partly why you are coming up with such crap in this "investigation". You are not following the evidence. You are listening to little devils and angels on your shoulders instead of following the evidence in a logical, methodical way. And I have never been a police officer. Bill
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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Tom wrote: <quoted text> There are certain truths known in the case and most of them point to Mr. Murray. He is a very large player in this saga. The only player that was there in the begining and in the end. There is enough truth here to point to him about knowing about Maura's dissappearance. if you feel certain the father "is a very large player in this saga", then you sit with Mason's long-considered views. most commenters reserve their opinions about his involvement, and others outright reject consideration of his involvement. we don't disagree to the extent that her father could offer the most in-depth knowledge of his daughter's life, apart from any other intimate friendships and relationships known or unknown to him.
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Since: Dec 11
Franconia NH
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Forgot to quote the msg. Sorry WTH ...I wasn't aiming that at You directly....BUT You do have an arrogant side yourself. John
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text> he made these claims to me in person, but did not offer verification, nor was he asked to do so. i would err toward your suspicions, WTH/Bill. I had always assumed that he was. I have no reason to assume that anymore. I should have guessed years ago when he came out with that crap about the trailer hitch and the "trees didn't cause the damage". Lots of evidence the trees did, including the report from the officer on the scene who has a nice diagram showing tracks into the trees and reflecting off of the trees. No evidence that a trailer hitch caused it. So in the wake of competing theories the simpler one that fulfills the circumstances would be the more reasonable says Occam. So without compelling evidence contrary, such as metal on metal contact, or someone seeing the mystery vehicle that Maura was supposed to have slammed into, or someone hearing two crashes instead of just the one where the car wound up. I'll contently place all my wagers with Occam and say that the damage to the front of the car was from collision with the trees. But hey, what do I know. I'm not former LE, just a dumb engineer following centuries old axioms of logic. Bill
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Tom
Chesterfield, MO
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text> if you feel certain the father "is a very large player in this saga", then you sit with Mason's long-considered views. most commenters reserve their opinions about his involvement, and others outright reject consideration of his involvement. we don't disagree to the extent that her father could offer the most in-depth knowledge of his daughter's life, apart from any other intimate friendships and relationships known or unknown to him. Feelings have nothing to do with it. He is the largest player in the saga. Thats a fact. Again he was with her days before and he was the one commenting about her when she disappeared. There's two points on the paper. One could draw a line here. Now I'm not going try and convince you whether or not he killed his daughter, but the Truth is he is the largest player in the game. That is a solid fact. Don't throw in the word feel. He is.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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Tom wrote: <quoted text> Feelings have nothing to do with it. He is the largest player in the saga. Thats a fact. Again he was with her days before and he was the one commenting about her when she disappeared. There's two points on the paper. One could draw a line here. Now I'm not going try and convince you whether or not he killed his daughter, but the Truth is he is the largest player in the game. That is a solid fact. Don't throw in the word feel. He is. why are you arguing with me? you may very well be right. you may need to exert some energy in convincing others....and you can eagerly anticipate getting your eyes shot out in the line of fire. go for it! your focus has been explored before by Mason, and delivered online in final document form. you might be able to search it, or someone could supply a link to you.
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whitenoise
West Roxbury, MA
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Tom wrote: <quoted text> Feelings have nothing to do with it. He is the largest player in the saga. Thats a fact. Again he was with her days before and he was the one commenting about her when she disappeared. There's two points on the paper. One could draw a line here. Now I'm not going try and convince you whether or not he killed his daughter, but the Truth is he is the largest player in the game. That is a solid fact. Don't throw in the word feel. He is. I totally agree.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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mcsmom wrote: Columbo is who he says he is. Says who?
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oo00oo
Tucson, AZ
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White Wash Lebanon, NH Reply » | Report Abuse | Judge it! | #1564 Nov 11, 2010 Photos show tire tracks into the trees that are private property! But what do I know! The car was off the road or Atwood would have hit it head on! Atwood was able to pull a BUS up along side of it! HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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oo00oo
Tucson, AZ
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White Wash Lebanon, NH Reply » | Report Abuse | Judge it! | #1565 Nov 11, 2010 People tried! Took on a life of it's own! The trees that she hit where down further across from the field of Westman and almost in front of Marrotts! There is a thin line of trees then lawn but it's still private property!
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oo00oo
Tucson, AZ
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White Wash Lebanon, NH Reply » | Report Abuse | Judge it! | #1578 Nov 11, 2010 Same in NH so you are right! She hit those trees and had backed around and was pull off to the side of the road when Atwood came upon the accident she was private property/right of way of the road! But the point being missed is she LOCKED THE CAR and WALKED AWAY of her own free will after causing damage to someone's property! Rather it large or small! It's against the law to LEAVE THE SCENE of and ACCIDENT involving PRIVATE PROPERTY!
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Since: Dec 11
Franconia NH
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oo00oo wrote: White Wash Lebanon, NH Reply » | Report Abuse | Judge it! | #1565 Nov 11, 2010 People tried! Took on a life of it's own! The trees that she hit where down further across from the field of Westman and almost in front of Marrotts! There is a thin line of trees then lawn but it's still private property! So those Small balsam trees on the Marrottes front lawn caused the damage to the Saturn. OK so that is another theory but not one I agree with as well as some other experts. John
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Advocate wrote: <quoted text> Re another young woman in the Saturn at the crash site on 112 ... why would some other young woman drive Maura's Saturn all the way to NH to an area that was Maura's favorite place in the world? It probably was Maura at the WB curve with the Saturn, but that doesn't mean other possibilities should be ignored.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Advocate wrote: <quoted text> Maybe Maura had gone back to her room for about an hour and sobered up. Question, were the roads around campus icy at that time, or icy in spots? Wondering if there was ice or re-freeze at that T-intersection and maybe she skidded/slid through to the guardrail when she tried to stop? It's possible. The intersection is in a somewhat swampy area. But the overall temps for that winter were, IIRC, the highest on record for New England. Not sure what the temp was Sat. night/early Sun.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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WTH-the-original wrote: <quoted text> I had always assumed that he was. I have no reason to assume that anymore. I should have guessed years ago when he came out with that crap about the trailer hitch and the "trees didn't cause the damage". Lots of evidence the trees did, including the report from the officer on the scene who has a nice diagram showing tracks into the trees and reflecting off of the trees. No evidence that a trailer hitch caused it. So in the wake of competing theories the simpler one that fulfills the circumstances would be the more reasonable says Occam. So without compelling evidence contrary, such as metal on metal contact, or someone seeing the mystery vehicle that Maura was supposed to have slammed into, or someone hearing two crashes instead of just the one where the car wound up. I'll contently place all my wagers with Occam and say that the damage to the front of the car was from collision with the trees. But hey, what do I know. I'm not former LE, just a dumb engineer following centuries old axioms of logic. Bill and i know about engineers; respect them; nor does it bother me when you reference Occam. it's a good thing.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Advocate wrote: <quoted text> As I recall, the SBD was shown a photo of Maura. It was a photo in which her hair was up in the customary (for her) bun. SBD commented that it looked like her except that the girl he saw had her hair down. How long between the time he talked with Maura and the time he was shown the photo? How and from where was the photo retrieved? Not asking you specifically, just general questions. Showing someone a photo a day or two later, especially if it is not mixed in with photos of other people, in this case young women, for choice by the witness, is not considered a very reliable way to ID someone. It's better than nothing, but not very reliable. By contrast, I definitely saw, several times, 2-3 years ago a young woman a few feet away from me. Unobstructed view. No distractions. Indoors. Good lighting. Looked exactly like Maura, except a few years older and a little heavier. I was already familiar with her photo. My ID of Maura is far better than the one provided by SBD, but it's still not sufficient, not even worth reporting. (I can hear it now: consider the source. But if she is really missing, and if you really want to find her, and you have a better sighting than most others, and it's your daughter or sister or niece, wouldn't you want to know something about it? After all, didn't NHSP look into someone at a bar sort of near the Portsmouth part of NH? NO dice, there, either.)
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Frostman wrote: <quoted text> I think a moose could have helped as well... http://www.youtube.com/watch... Yes, I recall that beer. Or ale. From Canada, wasn't it?
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