Maura Murray

Tom wrote:

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I don't disbelieve you how's that? I have to say I was really interested into looking into the Maura Murray case because she was this sweet innocent girl that vanished mysteriously. Now I'm getting to the point where I don't really care what the hell happened to her. If I keep hearing about her scumbag behaivor I'm just going to get mad and resent her for wasting my time and feelings of sympathy.
Fred is a piece if he knew this but played the sympathy card for her. Now I know why he thought she ran away at first.

all that compassion and sympathy can turn into some level of resentment when you begin to realize you've been intentionally misled to believe one thing when another is true. some people have infinite patience, however. i'm not one of them.

Tom wrote:

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Snowy I'd also like to make an apology to you. Over the last couple days you have been making a lot of references to "something happening at MA" Now I know most of what you were focusing on was the first crash, but apparently something did happen. I was giving you a lot of crap about it saying you were creating a conspiracy. I apogize. You were right about something happening.

no apology is necessary. it just makes plain and simple sense to me that whatever ended in NH had to begin in MA.

Tom wrote:

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I don't disbelieve you how's that? I have to say I was really interested into looking into the Maura Murray case because she was this sweet innocent girl that vanished mysteriously. Now I'm getting to the point where I don't really care what the hell happened to her. If I keep hearing about her scumbag behaivor I'm just going to get mad and resent her for wasting my time and feelings of sympathy.
Fred is a piece if he knew this but played the sympathy card for her. Now I know why he thought she ran away at first.

Tom, this is not becoming of you. We're talking here about a young girl who obviously had some issues and likely was under a great deal of pressure, maybe stretching some years into her past. Bulimia and alcohol problems may be part of the mix, possibly also some compulsive factor. It's okay to not condone theft, but she didn't deserve a death sentence for that, and she deserves to be cared about and searched for. I hardly think "scumbag" is the word to use.

Advocate wrote:

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Tom, this is not becoming of you. We're talking here about a young girl who obviously had some issues and likely was under a great deal of pressure, maybe stretching some years into her past. Bulimia and alcohol problems may be part of the mix, possibly also some compulsive factor. It's okay to not condone theft, but she didn't deserve a death sentence for that, and she deserves to be cared about and searched for. I hardly think "scumbag" is the word to use.

This is likely why family did not want people prying into Maura´s life prior to the accident at the WB. I think they feared people would condemn her and not be interested in finding Maura. Maura was clearly very ill and obviously in dire need of professional help. I am not blaming family and friends for not getting her help, people with eating disorders are very good at hiding it. Maybe we should rather question why none of the health care professionals she was surrounded by didn´t notice. But again - very good at hiding. I have no doubt Maura was exactly the wonderful person family and friends has portrayed, but she was seriously ill, and it had spiraled out of control. Her supervisor adviced her to seek counsel. That´s good but not nearly enough. While I´m not in any way condoning theft, I suggest Tom and others who may feel her behavior too offensive, to do a little research into eating disorders, and especially bulimia.
To me Maura was/is a complex person, very gifted but also very troubled, which makes her all the more interesting, and deserving of our attention (in a positive way).

Whitenoise wrote:

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Ethyl alcohol, euphemistically referred to as booze.

Thank you

Advocate wrote:

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Tom, this is not becoming of you. We're talking here about a young girl who obviously had some issues and likely was under a great deal of pressure, maybe stretching some years into her past. Bulimia and alcohol problems may be part of the mix, possibly also some compulsive factor. It's okay to not condone theft, but she didn't deserve a death sentence for that, and she deserves to be cared about and searched for. I hardly think "scumbag" is the word to use.

I agree Hannah, I think most of us have made many mistakes in our lives at some point or another.How we deal with them is what helps us grow as individuals. We are all human and therefore not perfect. Maura may have felt that she needed to please others and live up to the expectations of others and it was to much to bare.

I don't feel any difference about this case except a little more compassion for someone that was obviously troubled and keeping inside while numbing the pain with booze.

I think in the end there will be something helpful that can be learned from this case.

simply caustic wrote:

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yes. I worked at a restaurant all through college, and we only required the full number and expiration date to do phone orders.....and our receipts printed the whole number, but not the expiration. We had to change it around 2006 I believe to only print the last four digits. However, the expiration date didn't have to be correct to go through our system(it was a Micros System, popular in fast food joints). For some reason, they went through even with incorrect expirations....I know this due to repeated frauds, we had to get an imprint of the cards on delivery orders.

Thank you, that was helpful. I knew that things changed regarding the printing of numbers on the receipt at some point but wasn't sure exactly when.

With the situation at Amherst being clearer, knowing what Happened at West Point is a huge piece of the puzzle.Did Mauras credit card theft play a bigger role in her life than we know? Was she involved in a credit card ring?

Remember the employee at Northwestern air out of Boston that was killed and it was suspected that she was part of a credit card ring.

It is possible that this was isolated also.

hannah_b wrote:

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That´s good but not nearly enough. While I´m not in any way condoning theft, I suggest Tom and others who may feel her behavior too offensive, to do a little research into eating disorders, and especially bulimia. To me Maura was/is a complex person, very gifted but also very troubled, which makes her all the more interesting, and deserving of our attention (in a positive way).

I'm not finding Maura's behavior at al offensive--she's typical... What I find offesnive is Fred's withholding of information and his consistent attacks on law enforcement and the residents of that area of NH. What happened in her life in AMherst (and prior) is important and withholding that information has most assuredly made the investigation more difficult.

Someone down here who knows I have a place in NH asked me if I was familiar with this disappearance. When I replied I did he asked me how far away from where she was last seen did Gregory Floyd live.Is there ANY theory that hasn't been explored?

new Renner posts are up

hannah_b wrote:

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This is likely why family did not want people prying into Maura´s life prior to the accident at the WB. I think they feared people would condemn her and not be interested in finding Maura. Maura was clearly very ill and obviously in dire need of professional help. I am not blaming family and friends for not getting her help, people with eating disorders are very good at hiding it. Maybe we should rather question why none of the health care professionals she was surrounded by didn´t notice. But again - very good at hiding. I have no doubt Maura was exactly the wonderful person family and friends has portrayed, but she was seriously ill, and it had spiraled out of control. Her supervisor adviced her to seek counsel. That´s good but not nearly enough. While I´m not in any way condoning theft, I suggest Tom and others who may feel her behavior too offensive, to do a little research into eating disorders, and especially bulimia.
To me Maura was/is a complex person, very gifted but also very troubled, which makes her all the more interesting, and deserving of our attention (in a positive way).

Shack, FC, EWB and others, repeatedly declared harbor inside knowledge about MM and her family, and/or claimed to be representative of MM's "family" in discussions on so many forums, were allowed and encouraged to smear the names of others (local NH residents and posters to forums) in the name of MM.
the intent was to elevate the reputation and character of MM and tear down anyone who questioned the reality of MM's past and how it might relate to her disappearance.

by not revealing information they claimed to know about MM, and by actively covering up what would inevitably become public information and knowledge, they chose to manipulate the public's perception of MM; a poor idea, and a destructive approach to public relations.

heartfelt compassion offered to this family online by many, many strangers coming to these forums with interest, curiosity, and offers of utilizing their professional expertise would eventually be diminished by accumulated evidence of their campaign....lies by omission and outright misrepresentation of factual information. of course, some of these self-appointed warriors in MM's name never met the father, and all of them never met MM.

Tom's harshly expressed words, after he probably began to realize various levels of betrayal to the public about this case, are an honest reaction to and a natural consequence of misleading and this offensive dishonesty.

now that their pants are down, this same group of people are begging for compassion from the public for a flawed (not perfect), sad, and damaged young woman who has disappeared. they did not "protect" her in order to encourage public support...they made a decision to point to others to distract and blame.

the shame points right back to them, not to Tom or anyone else who tires of the name/blame/withhold game.

Rich wrote:

Someone down here who knows I have a place in NH asked me if I was familiar with this disappearance. When I replied I did he asked me how far away from where she was last seen did Gregory Floyd live.Is there ANY theory that hasn't been explored?

no.
post #23. pointless windmilling.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text> I'm not finding Maura's behavior at al offensive--she's typical... What I find offesnive is Fred's withholding of information and his consistent attacks on law enforcement and the residents of that area of NH. What happened in her life in AMherst (and prior) is important and withholding that information has most assuredly made the investigation more difficult.

ha! what you said in a paragraph, i just detailed in tortured length above before reading your post. 100% agree with you.

jwb wrote:

With the situation at Amherst being clearer, knowing what Happened at West Point is a huge piece of the puzzle.Did Mauras credit card theft play a bigger role in her life than we know? Was she involved in a credit card ring?
Remember the employee at Northwestern air out of Boston that was killed and it was suspected that she was part of a credit card ring.
It is possible that this was isolated also.

wow, jwb...your imagination conjures up endless scenarios to connect A to Z without supportive, fact-based evidence in between.
anyone can take flights of fancy, but maturity inches toward staying grounded.

Snowy wrote:

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ha! what you said in a paragraph, i just detailed in tortured length above before reading your post. 100% agree with you.

Fred did call Le to notify them that maura was troubled by the prior accident. There is no information that says Fred was aware of
the credits card theft or Bulimia.I bet her friends didn't know either. Maura was said to be an introvert and probably kept those things inside.

If Fred did come forward with these things, would it have made any difference in solving the case? LE is obviously already aware of some these issues because it is documented such as the CC. Why bring it out to the public?

What did Fred and family hold back on? The thing I do have a problem with is not interviewing with LE immediately.We don't really know what Fred may have known about Maura.

Did her boyfriend BR hold back info?Did he have knowledge about the credit card? He might know something about west point.

Snowy, you talk about windmilling yet you continue to go back to Shack, Fred and the others as if they owe you something.No one owes you anything.

Snowy wrote:

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wow, jwb...your imagination conjures up endless scenarios to connect A to Z without supportive, fact-based evidence in between.
anyone can take flights of fancy, but maturity inches toward staying grounded.

Thank you, I'll take it as a compliment.

jwb wrote:

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Fred did call Le to notify them that maura was troubled by the prior accident. There is no information that says Fred was aware of
the credits card theft or Bulimia.I bet her friends didn't know either. Maura was said to be an introvert and probably kept those things inside.
If Fred did come forward with these things, would it have made any difference in solving the case? LE is obviously already aware of some these issues because it is documented such as the CC. Why bring it out to the public?
What did Fred and family hold back on? The thing I do have a problem with is not interviewing with LE immediately.We don't really know what Fred may have known about Maura.
Did her boyfriend BR hold back info?Did he have knowledge about the credit card? He might know something about west point.
Snowy, you talk about windmilling yet you continue to go back to Shack, Fred and the others as if they owe you something.No one owes you anything.

no one owes to restore their deep compassion, freely given to this family by countless strangers over so many years, when the family, via their representatives online, and in the name of MM, ran over them to further a dishonest agenda. the victims, for the most part, were local residents of NH.

families of missing persons most often represent themselves honestly to the public in an earnest appeal to help "find" their loved ones, not a twisted cover up. there is as much dishonesty by omission as by outright untruths.

jwb wrote:

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Fred did call Le to notify them that maura was troubled by the prior accident. There is no information that says Fred was aware of
the credits card theft or Bulimia.I bet her friends didn't know either. Maura was said to be an introvert and probably kept those things inside.
If Fred did come forward with these things, would it have made any difference in solving the case? LE is obviously already aware of some these issues because it is documented such as the CC. Why bring it out to the public?
What did Fred and family hold back on? The thing I do have a problem with is not interviewing with LE immediately.We don't really know what Fred may have known about Maura.
Did her boyfriend BR hold back info?Did he have knowledge about the credit card? He might know something about west point.
Snowy, you talk about windmilling yet you continue to go back to Shack, Fred and the others as if they owe you something.No one owes you anything.

Fred did not know Maura was missing until some time Tuesday Feb. 10th. He did meet with LE on Wednesday Feb. 11th. Family was unaware that Maura was missing Monday Feb. 9th.

Snowy wrote:

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no one owes to restore their deep compassion, freely given to this family by countless strangers over so many years, when the family, via their representatives online, and in the name of MM, ran over them to further a dishonest agenda. the victims, for the most part, were local residents of NH.
families of missing persons most often represent themselves honestly to the public in an earnest appeal to help "find" their loved ones, not a twisted cover up. there is as much dishonesty by omission as by outright untruths.

Cover up of what? something they probably had no knowledge of? What purpose would it have given to post it on Topix? Would you post personal stuff about yourself on Topix ?

Who posted untruths? Like I said if they were not aware of those issues no coverup or miss truths exist.

The important thing is if LE was given the necessary information to go on and not that Topix was up to date.