Maura Murray

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>for one Snowy I dont know who firecat is. Iam not a spokes person for anyone just stating what I know.

so you're saying that NO ONE in the family has seen the videos? Or are you assuming that no one has seen the videos?

Whoops above, in lieu of "Hannah B and jab" should read "Hannah B and jwb". My apologies.

Question to Wowzer or whomever knows....whatever Zdid Happen to FireCat? I stopped reading bout a year ago and recently came back around, but I can't recall if she professed never to return and stopped posting, or what happened. IIRC, Mason left that way.

Glad a lot of the posters still check in from time to time. I have e old forum on disk somewhere...back when OldMan or whatever his name was said a bombshell was coming...then the forum disappeared! Crickey.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>So Citi, now you speak for all of Maura's family? so you have direct contact with them on all the facts that you are posing? Each and every one of them? I've noticed your comments on a ocuple of occasions as saying no one from the family has seen this or that.....are you sure you're authorized to speak for all of them? If you are, can we ask you to ask them some questions since they are so giving of information to you?

yes I do have direct contact. I speak from what I know. I have traveled up north since March of 04 to June of 07. so yes I know what Iam talking about. A person on the scene of Feb. 9th 2004 had stated that CS had told them that Maura may have been going to visit a friend that lived in the Mountain Lakes. you have stated in the past that you have a place in the Mountain Lakes and that you know or worked with a friend of Mauras. did you know Maura?

Beagle wrote:

You people are f-ing pathetic, seriously you sicken me. Get a life.
Everyone knows maura is living in Ontario with a 'hunky' boy, barefoot and pregnant, stealing credit cards, buying pizza and cheap boxes o' wine watching porn videos of midgets and amputees.
Duh

You know Beag, she's probably moved from pizza to Poutine if she's in Canada...high carbs and all

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>so you're saying that NO ONE in the family has seen the videos? Or are you assuming that no one has seen the videos?

Iam saying that no one has seen the video.

Snowy wrote:

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your comments are not sequenced and not properly attributed.
i have not committed to an assessment about Fred/MM....Tom has. Mason has.
then you jump to Wowzer's comment....which was a response to another issue.
you're not paying attention to the history of this forum....which is too complex for you to grasp.
not to worry. do your best.

the history is that a young girl Maura Murray vanished without a trace on Feb. 9th 2004

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>for one Snowy I dont know who firecat is. Iam not a spokes person for anyone just stating what I know.

i don't believe you. and i trust i am not alone in that declaration.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>yes I do have direct contact. I speak from what I know. I have traveled up north since March of 04 to June of 07. so yes I know what Iam talking about. A person on the scene of Feb. 9th 2004 had stated that CS had told them that Maura may have been going to visit a friend that lived in the Mountain Lakes. you have stated in the past that you have a place in the Mountain Lakes and that you know or worked with a friend of Mauras. did you know Maura?

Family thought she might be visitng a friend in the White Mountains. family didn't think that she may be meeting her father because she was so close to where he would always take her? That didn't cross their mind seriously?

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I didnt enable anything. It was you whom said you sat and did nothing when the people from NH on the MM forum bashed the local people. so dont accuse me of inabling anything when infact said you did nothing.I did post on the MM forum as well as here on topix with the positive experiences that I have encountered with the people from NH. I did not refuse anything. what you wanted me to do was to go after posters you disagreed with. not saying I agree with everything that has been said but if you disagree with what a poster has said it is up to you to speak up. I should not be held responsible for what other posters say. I can only be held accountable for what I say. I have said good things about the people in your community but yet you come after me for things other people have said. maybe you are better off to take it up with those whom have made the statements they have said that you dont like. I can only speak for myself and not others. I can only imagine the hurt you feel. but when something negative is put out there why not throw out something positive that has been said about your community?

I wasn't the one that was hurt, I was the one that was pissed off.
I would have had to be crazy to join the MMM forum after seeing what happened to the few locals that were there. They were chewed up and spit out. After going there in the first place to offer any help I was completely disgusted to see what was being said about the locals. The few that were there soon got tired of the bashing and left. Wonder how much more help you would have had if they had all stayed.
Oh, I didn't "come after" you. I replied to another poster and YOU jumped in and replied to the post I made to someone else.
Also it wasn't NH people that bashed the locals. That is a lie.
Citigirl I feel like I'm arguing with a two year old. We've been thru all this not long ago. This is the last reply I'm making on this.

Snowy wrote:

Tom ~ step it up!
why are you now talking about Ayla? not enough "Maura" to discuss?
carry the torch, dude.
don't engage with them in mindless stupidity on an endless loop, unless you are socially minded and just want to be "entertained".
i'm counting on you to not only keep the boundaries intact, but to lift the conversation to a new level.
regards,
~S

I have no clue whom Tom is but your response to him concerning a young toddler is very sad.

Tom wrote:

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Family thought she might be visitng a friend in the White Mountains. family didn't think that she may be meeting her father because she was so close to where he would always take her? That didn't cross their mind seriously?

I did not say family I said CS whom is LE.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I have no clue whom Tom is but your response to him concerning a young toddler is very sad.

Read all the posts that snowy wrote and it will make sense. He was using it as an example.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>the history is that a young girl Maura Murray vanished without a trace on Feb. 9th 2004

Well there is a little more history like:

Stealing credit card numbers atleast once, being throw out of college for it, driving while under the influence and crashing a couple of cars while at it. Vanishes without a trace, and mainly wihtout a trace because family doesn't want to be cooperative. Thats the history. Then she disappeared on Feb 9th.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I wasn't the one that was hurt, I was the one that was pissed off.
I would have had to be crazy to join the MMM forum after seeing what happened to the few locals that were there. They were chewed up and spit out. After going there in the first place to offer any help I was completely disgusted to see what was being said about the locals. The few that were there soon got tired of the bashing and left. Wonder how much more help you would have had if they had all stayed.
Oh, I didn't "come after" you. I replied to another poster and YOU jumped in and replied to the post I made to someone else.
Also it wasn't NH people that bashed the locals. That is a lie.
Citigirl I feel like I'm arguing with a two year old. We've been thru all this not long ago. This is the last reply I'm making on this.

Wowzer reread my posting please no where in my statement did I say the people from NH did the bashing. could you show me the posting you are referring to? the support our family has recieved on behalf of Maura has been over whelming. although the thoughts and opinions and theories may differ the people of your community have pulled together to support our search for Maura. they want her found just as well as our family does. you are under estimating your community. give them the credit they deserve.

Tom wrote:

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Well there is a little more history like:
Stealing credit card numbers atleast once, being throw out of college for it, driving while under the influence and crashing a couple of cars while at it. Vanishes without a trace, and mainly wihtout a trace because family doesn't want to be cooperative. Thats the history. Then she disappeared on Feb 9th.

Okay, I'll bite.

Of the litany of offenses you posted above, how many have been proven? How many are supposition? If Renners blog is not reliable, as some here say, then we can't use it simply to castigate Maura, and toss out any mitigating factors whatsoever that also may come up. Can't have it both ways.

Not saying I don't agree with th likelihood of the credit card fraud...I do. As to being thrown out of college for it, it's a safe bet she was ASKED TO LEAVE over it....not thrown out. No evidence of any DUI (although I'm confident she was drinking while driving on that fateful night, whether or not she was over the legal limit I can't venture a guess...regardless, open alcohol is an issue...) crashing cars....well, yes. She did.

To state that she "vanishes without a trace.....mainly because family doesn't want to be cooperative"....mmmmm, no dice IMO. That statement has no concrete basis in fact. I don't deny that their reluctance to share the perceived bad things from Maura's life, may have hindered the recovery of her body (I believe WTF Bill originally posted that theory)...but to assert that the family is the MAIN cause of her vanishing without a trace is...baseless, groundless.

I mean this sincerely.....for those so irritated about the things coming o about Maura....why are you still following the case so closely, if your input is going to liberally peppered with nasty remarks? Im not saying she is above reproach, and I understand the disappointment or insult perhaps accrued having given time, effort, and prayers to the all-American girl....only to find her, perhaps, highly flawed. In that case, if you really take such exception to it, instead of calling her a scumbag or poking fun at her tipping habits (not simply to you Tom I'm asking everyone)..then why post with such frequency? The majority of the posts lately have had a mean undercurrent to them, and it's unfortunate,

I realize Maura was highly flawed. We, the public, were misled as to her history.
I want to be here, anyway. I still care. I do think her addiction/issues were the catalyst to the theft. I don't think she was a scumbag, nor do I find her analogous as someone suggested...to a missing gangbanger.
If I did think that, I'd only check in periodically or not at all. Why waste my time making mean comments about a missing girl?! I fail to follow the logic.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Wowzer reread my posting please no where in my statement did I say the people from NH did the bashing. could you show me the posting you are referring to? the support our family has recieved on behalf of Maura has been over whelming. although the thoughts and opinions and theories may differ the people of your community have pulled together to support our search for Maura. they want her found just as well as our family does. you are under estimating your community. give them the credit they deserve.

*** when the people from NH on the MM forum bashed the local people***

mcsmom wrote:

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IDK..... in many ways it seems like NH was waiting for her.
Cecil allegedly turned the wrong way on Rte112........Monaghan and lack of public interview etc etc.

Sorry for late comment on this, was away a few days.

According to RobinsonOrdway (woman who reported on the red pickup truck), Lt. Monahan stopped and spoke to her briefly on the evening of 2-9-04 as he was coming away from the Saturn crash site on Rt. 112. Monahan was NHSP, and responded to the call in case the accident had occurred in his jurisdiction, which it did not. He left the accident site and proceeded west on Rt. 112, where he spoke with ROrdway. Monahan did not fill out a statement about the Saturn crash because it was not required per Section 106-B 15 (of NH State Code? not sure precisely). He did not investigate anything.

While it is true that NHSP do have statewide jurisdiction per se, they do not get involved "in local police matters" unless requested or assigned to do so.

This info was provided by RobinsonOrdway in November 2007 on a now-defunct forum.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Iam saying that no one has seen the video.

So you have first hand knowledge of that....so when the family asks LE to see the videos, what is LE's response? Verbatum...not an interpretation please.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I have no clue whom Tom is but your response to him concerning a young toddler is very sad.

MM's disappearance has no bearing on Ayla Reynolds. speaking of toddlers, MM's disappearance was immediately turned into a circus under the "Tot Tent"...an invention of MM's self-proclaimed family member.

the Murray family, by their appointed online representatives, have used up and abused the kindness, compassion and help offered by strangers, freely given to the cause of "finding" MM.
your memory and recollection is intentionally poor.

i feel assured that truths will be made known.

Advocate wrote:

<quoted text>
Sorry for late comment on this, was away a few days.
According to RobinsonOrdway (woman who reported on the red pickup truck), Lt. Monahan stopped and spoke to her briefly on the evening of 2-9-04 as he was coming away from the Saturn crash site on Rt. 112. Monahan was NHSP, and responded to the call in case the accident had occurred in his jurisdiction, which it did not. He left the accident site and proceeded west on Rt. 112, where he spoke with ROrdway. Monahan did not fill out a statement about the Saturn crash because it was not required per Section 106-B 15 (of NH State Code? not sure precisely). He did not investigate anything.
While it is true that NHSP do have statewide jurisdiction per se, they do not get involved "in local police matters" unless requested or assigned to do so.
This info was provided by RobinsonOrdway in November 2007 on a now-defunct forum.

Everything about this post is incorrect and innacurate. Everything.