Maura Murray

new renner post up

aftermath wrote:

Tom,
I wish to clarify that the officer at the scene followed protocol. He did what is expected when an abandoned vehicle is identified. In using one abandoned vehicle as a sort of "pilot" project, adjustment and approval in terms of protocol in this one instance would be necessary. It seems that in many of these abandoned vehicle cases,there is often regrets as to what might have been done differently initially that would have helped LE later in their investigation. I know every abandoned vehicle cannot be investigated by the FBI!...but possibly one?

You went on the same rant over Chris Flynn disappearance. All the while he was living in sunny California while people searched here for him. Good thing the FBI wasn't called for that one and could continue with the war on terrorism.

Tom wrote:

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It was a joke because I just posted that the FBI was involved about five minutes before you wrote that. I was making a joke like they do in the cell phone commercials about having a slow Internet download and people are getting the information slower

It creeped me out because I had just gotten off the telephone and then read your post.

jwb wrote:

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my understanding was the FBI did investigate in Mass. Is that not correct?

it's been mentioned; i might have read it somewhere....but like most statements re: MM, it's truly hard to discern fact from rumor. even media is not always a reliable source. so, i don't know for sure.

aftermath wrote:

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Snowy,
You actually believe you're involved in some kind of race? Maybe you need to start with a nice little conversation with your family physician and he may have some "choices" and/or possible "options" for you... LOL Maybe you need to read some of your posts and process their content. Just sayin'

it is an expression....to have "a dog in this race" or "a horse in this race". do we really need to start from the basics here?
frankly, i can't read through some of your posts...they're ridiculous.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

<quoted text> You went on the same rant over Chris Flynn disappearance. All the while he was living in sunny California while people searched here for him. Good thing the FBI wasn't called for that one and could continue with the war on terrorism.

just ducky.

Air, Ground Search Futile
FBI Called Into Case
BY GARY E. LINDSLEY, Staff Writer 2/20/04

HAVERHILL, NH - Nancy Lyon and her canine partner, a 3-year-old malinois, Quicklie, spent most of
Thursday morning scouring a section of Route 112 for a missing 21-year-old Hanson, Mass.,
woman.

With no new leads, FBI joins search for missing student
By Peter DeMarco, Globe Correspondent, 2/20/2004


The FBI has joined in the search for missing college student Maura Murray, but without a single lead
in the nearly two-week old case, New Hampshire authorities said the additional investigators might
not make a difference. Murray, a 21-year-old Hanson native and nursing student at the University of
Massachusetts at Amherst, vanished the night of Feb. 9 after crashing her car into a snowbank on a
rural road in Woodsville, N.H.

Previous post from Bill:

The FBI was used to do interviews in MA, like you said. I heard of no restrictions on the FBI in Amherst. Why would they take over the case? How would it help? Is there some evidence that you know of that the NHSP lab can’t figure out? There is no known connection to Maura’s disappearance and any other locations other than the questions of what happened before she left. So your references to NY and MA other than in that context is another red herring.

aftermath wrote:

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Tom,
It is my understanding that the interviews were restricted to a few friends in the Amherst area. In my opinions, MM's peers, her friends have no idea as to what happened to MM. They would have said something by now as they were her friends. The bushes that need beating are in NH......

Aftermath the last news to come out on this case was Renners blog about Maura and the cc fraud. The more fact finding is done about this girl the more it appears she was a troublemaker and or troubled. Maura was heading for a breakdown (both Figuratively and literally.) It just so happened she broke down in NH. The more that The more info that is gathered will show you had good reason to run away from MA. The motive is probably in MA.

jwb wrote:

Previous post from Bill:
The FBI was used to do interviews in MA, like you said. I heard of no restrictions on the FBI in Amherst. Why would they take over the case? How would it help? Is there some evidence that you know of that the NHSP lab can’t figure out? There is no known connection to Maura’s disappearance and any other locations other than the questions of what happened before she left. So your references to NY and MA other than in that context is another red herring.

Do you have a question about what that means?

Bill

aftermath wrote:

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Tom,
Life is a drama, personal or otherwise. Many people have made poor decisions and continue to do so even as we type. The country as a whole has possibly been making poor decisions, especially over the last 30 years, but this should not cause a lot of young females to simply disappear or become murder victims. In response to your comment about someone driving by in a five-minute period... I do not believe it was that sort of thing, a sort of random thing. I believe that Maura had stopped somewhere at a gas station, convenience and was followed from that point. Or possibly the perpetrator overheard the dispatch. Maura had disappeared within a 15-minute period of time.

Aftermath,
Life is a drama, that's for sure. The world is full of good and bad, I'll give you that too. But when anybody makes a choice to go out late in unfamiliar surroundings, takes a hike or goes out jogging somewhere they've never been, or walks alone at night so far from home or where they're known to be, not tell people what they're up to (so police can act sooner), they put themselves in harms way too. Just getting in her "close to worthless" car to drive to NH was a chance she was willing to take. She wanted to be somewhere. I've wondered about someone hearing Mauras wreck on their CB's or whatever they call them nowadays, too. But whoever was at that car 1-2 minutes before police came pulling in found a way to hide at least long enough to make a dash once the SBD and CS went driving around to do a 15 minute search of the roads. Maybe that person got into the trunk. Maybe they were the reason for footprints in MR M-ettes back yard. M-ette brought that up to police once he knew,(if that's the order of that issue). Noone was sure where those prints could have come from, it didn't seem like their yard SHOULD have prints out back. I'm guessing they didn't walk out back in the winter months, and or have company that did.
Alot of young men have gone missing too. Count the children. The world is full of wonders and some of these kids are just running away only to be taken in by pimps, drugged up and used, never to return. Common sense says you tell at least someone what you're about to do or leave a note/entry in a journal, something if you can't bring yourself to talk about it.

You used to come on pretty strong that you knew who this was and now you're back to thinking she was followed from a gas station and such. Maybe she was. But the family checked with all the places she could have stopped at to get gas, food, lodging or even a bus to continue on. That resulted in no leads. I'm sure the police checked the stations for any footage of Maura too. Police said there was enough food in the car....but then if the rag was used on her car, that gas station was right close and no one remembers her. No credit card pay at the pump either. Maybe she was set up, but she didn't take precautions and leave a note behind for all to find in the event things backfired on her. Or as previously posted, Maura may have been heading to a friends house in NH. They might know who that friend was and even spoken with that person. Maura doesn't eventually show up to that friends house and before long police start to think there could be foul play. But they stick to what they know too.

Just random thoughts about Maura's picture. Her face looks long and drawn out. Her neck looks like someone with a thyriod problem. But I've seen footage and pictures of Maura over the holiday and she was her usual self. Pictures, videos,~movies can make you look heavier, but she looked fine to me. I'm an artist. Lots of portraits. So here's what I think about that picture.

She was busted and caught off guard. Rather than top off the feeling of complete and utter shock, she just didn't let her jaw drop that's all. JMO
And she looked peaved. Maura has a temper, but you can't use that temper sometimes, so she just stood in the hall like they told her to and snapped an unhappy to be caught, Maura.

just me wrote:

Just random thoughts about Maura's picture. Her face looks long and drawn out. Her neck looks like someone with a thyriod problem. But I've seen footage and pictures of Maura over the holiday and she was her usual self. Pictures, videos,~movies can make you look heavier, but she looked fine to me. I'm an artist. Lots of portraits. So here's what I think about that picture.
She was busted and caught off guard. Rather than top off the feeling of complete and utter shock, she just didn't let her jaw drop that's all. JMO
And she looked peaved. Maura has a temper, but you can't use that temper sometimes, so she just stood in the hall like they told her to and snapped an unhappy to be caught, Maura.

I don't know what REnner is expecting to get out of that pick. Ones a year book and four years earlier the other is right after a sting. I think he is trying to bait or drum up the interest to show she was very troubled

great post at #11069, just me; you've covered a lot of ground.

you wrote:
"Maybe they were the reason for footprints in MR M-ettes back yard. M-ette brought that up to police once he knew,(if that's the order of that issue). Noone was sure where those prints could have come from, it didn't seem like their yard SHOULD have prints out back. I'm guessing they didn't walk out back in the winter months, and or have company that did."

Wowzer has given us some insight about footprints in the snow in the past. wonder if she's willing to do so again?

Tom wrote:

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I don't know what REnner is expecting to get out of that pick. Ones a year book and four years earlier the other is right after a sting. I think he is trying to bait or drum up the interest to show she was very troubled

i haven't figured out what he's getting at, either. talk about obvious maturation over 4 years was not his point, i'm sure. more likely he noted the fear and trouble you suggest.

Snowy wrote:

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i haven't figured out what he's getting at, either. talk about obvious maturation over 4 years was not his point, i'm sure. more likely he noted the fear and trouble you suggest.

Perhaps he has some more damaging things and wants to get people prepared for it. Eventually the truth will come out

After thinking about the news lately from MR Renner, I think along the lines of this:

(this'd be Maura thinking):

WP, so happy to be here. Cute guy Julie introduced me to, wow. I'm going to NY to meet the coach and attending that wedding with Billy, because he was asked to be part of the professors wedding was nice too. I love him. Billy is the one for me. Oh no, he's been unfaithful to me, he's gone from WP and I'm going to be leaving soon myself. I'm in trouble now...better see what next to do..nursing? yeah, I can do that, but how. Dad, can you help me get into UMASS nursing. You're a coach, any ideas? Relief, I'm in. Things are still hard with Billy but I'm balancing my time and seeing him, his mom, and I like that. More trouble...I cry every time Billy leaves. Friends are egging me on to date this new coach that helped me get in here. I think I will. This is nice. No worries, could care less about Billy....sometimes I wish I could just disappear. I'm pretty happy but sad too though. Wait, Billy has called me. I'm going hiking with him and dad. I'm calling this affair quits. No looking back, so long to the coach and everybody else. Hurt myself anyhow, so I'm going to quit track and focus on my studies.......This CC receipt, do I dare? Again? Do I sign Maura Murray in case I am caught to explain it away, like I lost my card but had this writen down?
Worst fear, I'm out in the hall, busted. What now? I'm not up to seeing people but will have to be for Thanksgiving and Christmas break. I've got to stay clean for 3 months. There's something else they don't know yet, it's haunting me. Just got off the phone with my sister. I'm in disbelief. My sister! I really blew it. Staring into space now, waiting for my super to come up. I what? Councelling? What else was that you said? And, go back to my room, don't finish my shift?(what if they know)? Hope security doesn't hear about this, I could lose my job. No worries, just that car. We had to tow it back to umass after the inspection, October of 03 and I'm not going to drive it. I need a car dad. I'm tired of grouping it up to go to the store and clinicals.... Thanks for the dinner dad, and letting me use your car. I'm gonna have fun at this campus party but I hope I don't run into anybody I'm avoiding. People are still here but, Sarah has passed out. I'm telling others I'm going to dads hotel. They always try to stop me, so I'll just take it back and go wherever I want, I'll say my own dorm. Can't tell anybody now that I was out driving and ran into those guardrails. Oh shit. Pick up papers. Do I tell Billy all the latest or leave it lay. Do I tell dad the latest or leave it lay. No car now, I'll have to wait. Is he punishing me? I'm leaving, that's it, final straw. Keep this here, pack this there. I might be finished here. Go, go, go where you feel happiest. And that means everything, even Billy....can't get this out of my mind. Money, booze, food too...gonna need that, lol. Another accident? That bus driver, hmph, I could outrun him. I'm out of here, no time to waste. Hurry Maura, grab only the quickest of things, GO....

Frostman wrote:

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If this information is one in the same (it seems quite possible) Matthew's hair/cloths/duct tape sighting might be credible and mcsmom is correct. On February 8, 2010 “Peabody” posted the following on Websleuths:
Link: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.p...
Actual Post:
From the Union Leader
"Tests are being performed on possible new evidence in the mysterious disappearance six years ago of University of Massachusetts nursing student Maura Murray in Haverhill, according to Lt. James White, head of the New Hampshire State Police Major Crime Unit. Tuesday will mark the sixth anniversary of the day Murray vanished in the North Country after crashing her car on remote and winding Route 112 during a snowstorm shortly before 7:30 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2004.
Some time in the last two weeks, police received new information in the case, White said, though he declined to say exactly what it is.
This case is very much active." he said.
As a result of the new leads, White said, police collected items that are now in the process of being tested.
Union Leader...Nancy West 2/7/1 (February 7, 2010)
Article not online”
Note: "Matthew" posted his message on February 9th, 2010 on Amherst Topix.
Question: Why was there no information in the media about the "evidence" NOT being related to MM? Or was there?

Thank you. Exactly why I asked FrmLE.

There's more to this though.

By extrapolating from the press release June 8, 2004 Maitland and Murray cases are not related, we can surmise certain circumstances if we believe the hair and cloths were of interest to LE, as late as 2010.

Furthermore I think we can make an educated guess as to who was administered polygraphs.

Quack,quack.

Tom wrote:

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I don't know what REnner is expecting to get out of that pick. Ones a year book and four years earlier the other is right after a sting. I think he is trying to bait or drum up the interest to show she was very troubled

It's one of the only pictures where you can see Maura's hair down. The other pictures have her looking less like the usual Maura. So I can see him picking one from pre West Point to the night of the sting. He managed to confirm and back up that rumor about CC fraud.

Tom wrote:

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Perhaps he has some more damaging things and wants to get people prepared for it. Eventually the truth will come out

by his diligence, i trust Renner will unlock whatever is hidden; not that the information will directly impact a resolution....but there will then be some direction about where to look to "find" MM. there will, at least, be that much satisfaction to the interested public.