Maura Murray

just me wrote:

<quoted text>It's one of the only pictures where you can see Maura's hair down. The other pictures have her looking less like the usual Maura. So I can see him picking one from pre West Point to the night of the sting. He managed to confirm and back up that rumor about CC fraud.

just a general comment...she still looks like herself, but we have the advantage of staring at the computer screen.
with the exception of his observing a slender, pretty young woman, i somehow doubt BA could have discerned facial features in a brief meeting in the dark of the early evening, especially when he probably wasn't aware that he needed to be attentive to those details.

Snowy wrote:

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by his diligence, i trust Renner will unlock whatever is hidden; not that the information will directly impact a resolution....but there will then be some direction about where to look to "find" MM. there will, at least, be that much satisfaction to the interested public.

You never know what if he finds out Maura was pregnant and someone points to the father of the child. It might get us moving in the right direction. Or at least we will have enough into to create a logical account of what happened.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Do you have a question about what that means?
Bill

No, I posted it because some posters were not sure if the FBI was involved.

Snowy wrote:

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just a general comment...she still looks like herself, but we have the advantage of staring at the computer screen.
with the exception of his observing a slender, pretty young woman, i somehow doubt BA could have discerned facial features in a brief meeting in the dark of the early evening, especially when he probably wasn't aware that he needed to be attentive to those details.

And judging on whatever picture that they showed him, she could look like one picture, and not the other. So he could be really confused based on the picture they showed him.

Re REnner´s latest blogpost: Grand Jury? Was there a Grand Jury? Wouldn´t that indicate there are suspect/s in the case?

From Renners site:

"According to Lt. Landry, at the time of the court proceedings in early 2006, the file on Maura Murray consisted of 2,938 pages of info as well as evidence, tapes, and newspaper clippings. Also included in the files:

- Fred Murray's cell phone records
- phone records of family members and friends
- personnel records
- military records
- Grand Jury subpoenas
- search warrants
- credit card info
- criminal record checks
- witness interviews (including 19 written statements and 3 transcribed interviews)
- 2-page statement of Fred Murray
- lab reports
- unknown photographs
- copies of Websleuths forum conversations
- one-party intercept memoranda (possible wire taps)

And, most interestingly, 4 polygraph examinations."

So like Shack and Fred have maintained all this time. Those lazy shiftless bastards, the police, didn't do a damn thing while that sweet all American girl was stolen right out from under their noses.

I do need to laugh though. Webslueths? They would have been better off trying to use psychics to get useful information considering the level of intelligence of some of the members on that site. I hope they didn't really think the "killer" was going to post? I think some idiots actually put forward that theory so maybe the police had to check?

It's almost as interesting as reading the stale crap that Shack throws up on the Facebook account for Maura. Same lame shit, "someone knows something..." I couldn't even count how many times she repeated that stale line. We know. Maura knows, but she isn't telling.

Bill

mcsmom wrote:

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Thank you. Exactly why I asked FrmLE.
There's more to this though.
By extrapolating from the press release June 8, 2004 Maitland and Murray cases are not related, we can surmise certain circumstances if we believe the hair and cloths were of interest to LE, as late as 2010.
Furthermore I think we can make an educated guess as to who was administered polygraphs.
Quack,quack.

This was probably the underwear that was found.

WTH-the-original wrote:

From Renners site:
"According to Lt. Landry, at the time of the court proceedings in early 2006, the file on Maura Murray consisted of 2,938 pages of info as well as evidence, tapes, and newspaper clippings. Also included in the files:
- Fred Murray's cell phone records
- phone records of family members and friends
- personnel records
- military records
- Grand Jury subpoenas
- search warrants
- credit card info
- criminal record checks
- witness interviews (including 19 written statements and 3 transcribed interviews)
- 2-page statement of Fred Murray
- lab reports
- unknown photographs
- copies of Websleuths forum conversations
- one-party intercept memoranda (possible wire taps)
And, most interestingly, 4 polygraph examinations."

Wouldn't a grand jury need to be created to create grand jury subpoenas? Does that mean they already took a chance at grabbing someone?

WTH-the-original wrote:

From Renners site:
"According to Lt. Landry, at the time of the court proceedings in early 2006, the file on Maura Murray consisted of 2,938 pages of info as well as evidence, tapes, and newspaper clippings. Also included in the files:
- Fred Murray's cell phone records
- phone records of family members and friends
- personnel records
- military records
- Grand Jury subpoenas
- search warrants
- credit card info
- criminal record checks
- witness interviews (including 19 written statements and 3 transcribed interviews)
- 2-page statement of Fred Murray
- lab reports
- unknown photographs
- copies of Websleuths forum conversations
- one-party intercept memoranda (possible wire taps)
And, most interestingly, 4 polygraph examinations."
So like Shack and Fred have maintained all this time. Those lazy shiftless bastards, the police, didn't do a damn thing while that sweet all American girl was stolen right out from under their noses.
I do need to laugh though. Webslueths? They would have been better off trying to use psychics to get useful information considering the level of intelligence of some of the members on that site. I hope they didn't really think the "killer" was going to post? I think some idiots actually put forward that theory so maybe the police had to check?
It's almost as interesting as reading the stale crap that Shack throws up on the Facebook account for Maura. Same lame shit, "someone knows something..." I couldn't even count how many times she repeated that stale line. We know. Maura knows, but she isn't telling.
Bill

comprehensive, eh?
Websleuths...makes Topix look like a scholarly pursuit.
again, i like JRenner's organized approach to cutting through the chaos...the BS, actually.

Tom wrote:

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You never know what if he finds out Maura was pregnant and someone points to the father of the child. It might get us moving in the right direction. Or at least we will have enough into to create a logical account of what happened.

without Maura, there is no way to know if she was...unless there's a formal record / doctor's office or clinic visit. that same question lingers about Princess Diana; and after all the hullabaloo, Caylee Anthony's father remains unnamed.
now that you mention it, the idea has been floating for years that MM may have traveled to be counseled for and/or to seek an abortion. that just doesn't make any sense to me....Planned Parenthood was easily accessible as at least one option.
Renner is just gathering now...but i sense he will begin to apply "logic" to draw it all together.
something to look forward to.

jwb wrote:

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This was probably the underwear that was found.

Crikey! We're talking about the duct tape/clothes/hair found by Matthew near N. Woodstock. On the lay-by. In 2009/2010. Investigated by NH LE. Not 2004.

And not these:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/42402904 @N00/2602159457/

Try this link for "undie heaven": http://www.flickr.com/photos/42402904 @N00/2602159457/

just looking at Renner's blog...and these comments by "Wendie".... they make sense. i once shared her same thoughts when JR first appeared on scene and there was (and is) strong resistance to his research and investigation.

she writes:

AnonymousFeb 2, 2012 01:25 PM
It's not too late (never too late) for Maura's family, friends and acquaintances to issue their own press release. It doesn't have to be via Mr. Renner's blog. It could be sent to any number of press/media outlets or through their own anonymous website(s).

Facing the truth straight-on can be extremely liberating; face the fear, and the fear disappears. As an example... look at David Letterman -- faced with an indiscretion he came forth with an admission and the outcome was that people admired him for his honesty.

and, earlier, she wrote:

AnonymousFeb 2, 2012 09:08 AM
A code of silence everywhere it seems, not just at West Point. If Maura was forced out of WP for credit card misappropriation and again at UMass, her boyfriend was cheating on her and yet her father visited her every month or so and "thought everything was okay" that's nonsense, nobody can successfully hide all of that without being deeply affected. I can understand that Maura's family didn't want her past to adversely affect the investigation into her disappearance but it has been eight years. Why try to save face now?

It's okay for Maura's family, friends and acquaintances to come forward and say that not everything was rosy. If the truth was brought forward then perhaps that might spark more memories and this mystery might get solved.

Wendie

Namaste, Wendie

Tom wrote:

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Wouldn't a grand jury need to be created to create grand jury subpoenas? Does that mean they already took a chance at grabbing someone?

Fred M? An awful lot of documents relating to him, it seems... Come to think of it, wonder why the art gallery where Maura supposedly worked on Sunday is still unnamed, it´s in IRS public records.

Frostman wrote:

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Crikey! We're talking about the duct tape/clothes/hair found by Matthew near N. Woodstock. On the lay-by. In 2009/2010. Investigated by NH LE. Not 2004.
And not these:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/42402904 @N00/2602159457/

I mis read the post

mcsmom wrote:

Amherst police said they had a potential witness to the Vasi accident, and that they were waiting for that person to come forward.

Really? How do you know? Interesting, if true.
There reportedly was an anonymous woman who called the hospital the night of the Vasi hit and run to inquire about him.

This is what I found out about grand juries:
"Grand juries work in secret, and their whole purpose is to bring charges ... so a presentation before a grand jury comes before charges are filed (since that is what they decide).
Now, in some states, I believe one who is being investigated with an eye to being charged (called a "target") has a right to know of the investigation and the government's intent to bring charges. You'd have to check your local laws for that ... and in the federal system the Dept. of Justice has a practice of informing someone that they are a target, but that a courtesy, a rule they have adopted, not a legally binding obligation."
I have to find out if NH is the state that would have to tell someone that they are being investagated. Remember a grand jury isn't a trial the target is not there to represent themselves.

Snowy wrote:

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subtract your emotion and fixation on a certain outcome, all possibilities are on the table. premeditated or not, suicide is one of them. ditto a bad guy. some theories are more plausible than others, however.
your assertions don't launch the cold case investigation in any definitive direction toward solving the mystery of her disappearance.'live in fear, die in fear' might be a good title for your book, i suppose.

Snowy,
You appear to be not only fixated, but actually perseverating on that word: emotion. I'm serious about you speaking with your primary care physician to determine if you might benefit from a referral. Also, it is my understanding that the Cold Case unit launched its investigation long ago. Maybe its time to update your notes and take a deep breath?

Tom wrote:
"I'm not trying to insult you, but you are throwing away a key fact that Maura was drinking and she did have a problem drinking. You are throwing that fact away and creating a NH "Hero" that scoops up stray drivers. It is more likely that Maura crashed her car drinking and took off/fled to avoid police. The focus on alcohol is deserved because we know she drank it before her first accident and she purchased some before she went away."

Tom,
If you look around here in America Land many use and abuse alcohol. It's a global thing. It is the preferred social lubricant of many. It affects judgment in a negative way and it is basically a liquid depressant. Many use it on a long-term basis and many even use a significant amount of it to bolster that oft' times needed(?) courage during the final last hour or so in order to suicide. Many who drink do NOT commit suicide but often end up dead via motor vehicle and other types of accidents. Still, many "accidents" are often suicides. The interesting aspect of MM's accident in MA prior to driving to NH involved an officer arriving at the scene. Evidentally, he did not believe she had been drinking or was intoxicated because no breathalyzer was administered. He believed her to be inattentive.... No one assessed her blood alcohol level that evening. In fact, based on my understanding her mind appeared to be focused on something else in those early morning hours prior to her leaving the party. No one assessed whether or not she had been drinking the night of the accident in NH, nor did she refuse a breathalyzer. She was not on scene when the officer arrived. Having spilled alcohol in or around one's vehicle does not determine BAC. Therefore, it is impossible to have determined if she had been "under the influence" or intoxicated. Also, we do not know if she was clincially depressed. She would have needed to be assessed by a licensed, clinician to make that assessment/to arrive at that diagnosis. Everything else, including gossip and rumor is nothing but hogwash. Period.

About Maura Murray

North Country News 2/2/2012
"Letters and Opinions"