Maura Murray

Anne Rule just published her first book where the crime has not been solved. She has never done that before - they have either been dead or in prison. She is so smart too..

WTF-the-original wrote:

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Her destination wasn't Haverhill. Her destination was likely Bartlett which you can get to the way she was driving though it was the very long way around.
The drinking and crash likely changed her plans regardless if it was suicide or something else.
My thoughts.
Bill

Why would someone wanting to commit suicide take the very long way around. Isn't that road closed in the winter that would have taken her to Bartlett? It all sounds too dramatic just to go do yourself in.

Dawn wrote:

nishka256
Let me know if you hear from Nancy Grace......... I have been trying for two years. Gloria Alred also.......... not one reply back except the auto reply... I still think media would blow this wide open... someone would have to start talking tho... what is with the flyer - possibly wearing jeans and a dark coat? can't they at least get a description from the atm - still photos??? scarinza mentions it on ID

Right, and what about the person who says they saw Maura leaving campus Monday afternoon? They said they "saw her leaving campus" around 3 or 4. That's why I wonder about the time on the liquor store receipt. Did it fit into the same timeframe as being 'BACK ON CAMPUS' from buying that stuff, or was it closer to 4 when she would have been starting her trip.

And, what did that person say Maura was wearing. I think the ATM had to have been in the liquor store, but that's just what I think.
Her hair being up or down, the peacoat they all seem to have found missing and presumed to be what she wore that day.....hope the police at least think it's correct for the flyers.

WTF-the-original wrote:

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Her destination wasn't Haverhill. Her destination was likely Bartlett which you can get to the way she was driving though it was the very long way around.
The drinking and crash likely changed her plans regardless if it was suicide or something else.
My thoughts.
Bill

The upsetting call, troubles w/long distance relationship, crashing her fathers car, thinking she'd get another car when her dad came to town, maybe blowing the chances of that,(in her mind, at least), needing to leave for whatever reason. Having something to drink along the way, feeling it, mind going in different directions, knowing from the previous nights search that finding a room where she'd really rather be was going to be hard to do, on and on

nishka256 wrote:

Erin Devine, a George Washington University student and high school classmate of Maura's, said she is doing what she can from Washington, D.C.
"I haven't lost hope. I've been working with a criminal psychology professor. We talked about it all day during class today and we're trying to do something about it. I called the police up there and even the U.S. Embassy in Canada," Devine said.*********
So here we have, Erin Devine, a high school classmate who wants the help of the Canada US Embassy .Why Canada???? what did they know that would want to make them get the help of canada's us embassy?i have the full article.

Do they have comments on that article site? Is that what this is from? If it is, leave a comment for that person. Just an idea. Also, was this recent?

Sara-Bermuda wrote:

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Why would someone wanting to commit suicide take the very long way around. Isn't that road closed in the winter that would have taken her to Bartlett? It all sounds too dramatic just to go do yourself in.

I don't know that she knew about the closure (every winter) of Bear Notch road or not. I have asked several times but this like everything else the family has not seen fit to respond to. You can get there the way she was going but just like in Maine there are many spots in NH that you just "can't get there from here". At least not easily. If she was headed to Bartlett which could be likely, I suspect she didn't know about the road closure. That would have added time to her comute especially since she didn't plan that the road was closed. She would have discovered it.

I know there have been several people that have chosen the White mountains for their suicide. The best known amongst them is Guy Waterman but there have been others. I suppose it beats the hell out of killing yourself in a sewage treatment plant.

I know of several suicides locally where they have been found hanging from a tree, and another wandering around with slit wrists and arms though the one wandering around didn't plan it to go that way. He was interrupted and fled a house. It is not unusual at all for someone to not want to be in their home when committing suicide, often they only go a short distance, just out of sight over the next hill or an out building or garage, but they can go much farther often driving or walking to a familiar area that gives them peace.

Bill

just me wrote:

<quoted text>The upsetting call, troubles w/long distance relationship, crashing her fathers car, thinking she'd get another car when her dad came to town, maybe blowing the chances of that,(in her mind, at least), needing to leave for whatever reason. Having something to drink along the way, feeling it, mind going in different directions, knowing from the previous nights search that finding a room where she'd really rather be was going to be hard to do, on and on

Depending on how well she knows the area, we are told she knows Bartlett well, she would have known that there are motels available and usually can be gotten in February.

That doesn't preclude the possibility that she was originally going to commit suicide in the room either. Again, her plans, whatever they were, were thrown into a shambles when she had the crash while drinking and decided that the best option available to her was to run from the scene.

Bill

just me wrote:

<quoted text>The upsetting call, troubles w/long distance relationship, crashing her fathers car, thinking she'd get another car when her dad came to town, maybe blowing the chances of that,(in her mind, at least), needing to leave for whatever reason. Having something to drink along the way, feeling it, mind going in different directions, knowing from the previous nights search that finding a room where she'd really rather be was going to be hard to do, on and on

I think LE thins its an inside job.

meaning a) she started a new life with the help of her family

b) someone from the family was on rt 112 - that night - fred? the sister? don't know but they saw her...... that is how they know SHE WAS RIGHT THERE>>>> just down the road.

they either missed her or know something.

most likely why LE took their stand from the start..

the family says she NEVER drives.. but they are certain it was her.
that is RED FLAG to LE.. what about a scenario she was kidnapped and someone took her car but Fred says she was right down the road.. they missed her... down a dark road you cant see your own hand in front of your face. a dirtbag took her.

do you see how with little info we get it contradicts what we are told about her.... something bad happened. that is not in dispute.

I believe the footprints by pole line is in reference to the power lines.

Regarding Dr. Godwin's book, it was conveyed to me last year that the editor removed the section about Maura from Tracker. Whether that chapter has been included in later published editions of Tracker, I don't know.

Dr. Godwin provided a public statement during the joint press conference with NHSP & VSP in 2004. That's how and where I received his expert findings, via news articles at that time, on both Maura and Brianna's disappearances. Both of which differed.

The affidavit is a legitimate document. If you resarch the state and federal laws you will find the detective wrote out the affidavit in the manner advised under the NH state and federal laws pertaining to obtaining a search warrant for cell tower data during criminal investigations.

I will no longer be reading this forum. Reading this forum gives me a screaming headache, especially the past couple of weeks.

Dawn wrote:

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I think LE thins its an inside job.
meaning a) she started a new life with the help of her family
b) someone from the family was on rt 112 - that night - fred? the sister? don't know but they saw her...... that is how they know SHE WAS RIGHT THERE>>>> just down the road.
they either missed her or know something.
most likely why LE took their stand from the start..
the family says she NEVER drives.. but they are certain it was her.
that is RED FLAG to LE.. what about a scenario she was kidnapped and someone took her car but Fred says she was right down the road.. they missed her... down a dark road you cant see your own hand in front of your face. a dirtbag took her.
do you see how with little info we get it contradicts what we are told about her.... something bad happened. that is not in dispute.

Kathleen went up to the neighbors as soon as she got there. She's the one who showed Mr Atwood the pictures where he said "it didn't look like her",(Maura), that "her hair was down". I'm thinking if Kathleen had anything to do with it, he might or would have recognized Kathleen as being the one that he saw by the car a few nights prior . Kathleen had to be confronted in that she had spoken to Maura at all on the night of the upsetting call. She also found the underwear ontop of the frozen snow. For some reason she also held onto the computer that was found in her sisters dorm room. She says her sister had to be faking it in order to get out of work early and later states that she'd spoken to Maura on Sunday, and her opinion was that Maura probably went to the WHITE MOUNTAINS to get away and put her head on straight because she was having troubles with Billy at the time.
As for Fred I don't really know what to say. Billy was questioned and Sharon says it was awful, that police thought he had something to do with it.(that's just a reflection of even being in that chair at all), no, Billy was in OK at the time. For some reason police thought that Maura might be heading to Ohio so Sharon kept a door open just in case. What made anybody think Maura might be heading to Ohio? Too much trouble in her own family, the Murray's? Or what...
But Fred seems to be saying: look for my daughter, she didn't run off, how could she see to do that, it's too dark, you can't see your own hand, and on and on

elsewherebriefly wrote:

Dr. Godwin provided a public statement during the joint press conference with NHSP & VSP in 2004. That's how and where I received his expert findings, via news articles at that time, on both Maura and Brianna's disappearances. Both of which differed.

Before you go, could you explain what you mean by "Both of which differed." What differed and how? He made two opposing statements or he said different things at different times? I don't know what that means.

Is it possible for you to post that on a site or email it to me?

Thanks,
Bill

Still thinking about the statements/comments:

something went wrong (Kathleen)

she was right there (Fred)

what have we done to turn you away from our love (something to that effect)(Kurts poem, age 15)

elsewherebriefly wrote:

I believe the footprints by pole line is in reference to the power lines.
Regarding Dr. Godwin's book, it was conveyed to me last year that the editor removed the section about Maura from Tracker. Whether that chapter has been included in later published editions of Tracker, I don't know.
Dr. Godwin provided a public statement during the joint press conference with NHSP & VSP in 2004. That's how and where I received his expert findings, via news articles at that time, on both Maura and Brianna's disappearances. Both of which differed.
The affidavit is a legitimate document. If you resarch the state and federal laws you will find the detective wrote out the affidavit in the manner advised under the NH state and federal laws pertaining to obtaining a search warrant for cell tower data during criminal investigations.
I will no longer be reading this forum. Reading this forum gives me a screaming headache, especially the past couple of weeks.

Don't buy what you are selling. Lets see a copy of this on letter head.. It has never been produced.. EVER. Until I see it.. I won't believe it and because its NOT how things are done. We are dealing with national carriers and we have rules to you know. We are taking a variety of requests across 50 states.. NOT TO MENTION when a phone travles across state lines.

NICE TRY TO SOUND LIKE YA KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT...

We just let each state come up with their own variation and we read between the lines.... NOT> Its actually humerous.

Not to mention Helena confirmed there was NOT an incoming call too.. Ask her.

Why stir the pot with red herrings? That is just mean for the people who really want to find her. Sending people off on a goose/duck chase.

just me wrote:

Still thinking about the statements/comments:
something went wrong (Kathleen)
she was right there (Fred)
what have we done to turn you away from our love (something to that effect)(Kurts poem, age 15)

AGREED

it is pitch black.. You can't even see your hand..

a local dirtbag grabbed her.. and the booze and locked the car

elsewherebriefly wrote:

I believe the footprints by pole line is in reference to the power lines.
Regarding Dr. Godwin's book, it was conveyed to me last year that the editor removed the section about Maura from Tracker. Whether that chapter has been included in later published editions of Tracker, I don't know.
Dr. Godwin provided a public statement during the joint press conference with NHSP & VSP in 2004. That's how and where I received his expert findings, via news articles at that time, on both Maura and Brianna's disappearances. Both of which differed.
The affidavit is a legitimate document. If you resarch the state and federal laws you will find the detective wrote out the affidavit in the manner advised under the NH state and federal laws pertaining to obtaining a search warrant for cell tower data during criminal investigations.
I will no longer be reading this forum. Reading this forum gives me a screaming headache, especially the past couple of weeks.

Wireless carriers are exempt from the PUC - so tell me - what federal law you are citing from ? Do tell. HOGWASH..

Now its interesting that Marybeth Conway has posted EVERY OTHER AFFIDAVIT except the one EWB talks about.. THE ONE that has never been produced.......... hmmm..
nancy smiths affidavit is there
strezlin's affidavit is there
multi agency meeting is there..

the phony one is NOT>

elsewherebriefly wrote:

I believe the footprints by pole line is in reference to the power lines.
Regarding Dr. Godwin's book, it was conveyed to me last year that the editor removed the section about Maura from Tracker. Whether that chapter has been included in later published editions of Tracker, I don't know.
Dr. Godwin provided a public statement during the joint press conference with NHSP & VSP in 2004. That's how and where I received his expert findings, via news articles at that time, on both Maura and Brianna's disappearances. Both of which differed.
The affidavit is a legitimate document. If you resarch the state and federal laws you will find the detective wrote out the affidavit in the manner advised under the NH state and federal laws pertaining to obtaining a search warrant for cell tower data during criminal investigations.
I will no longer be reading this forum. Reading this forum gives me a screaming headache, especially the past couple of weeks.

Thank you elsewhere, I understand your point. I also get the screaming headache.

WTF-the-original wrote:

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Her destination wasn't Haverhill. Her destination was likely Bartlett which you can get to the way she was driving though it was the very long way around.
The drinking and crash likely changed her plans regardless if it was suicide or something else.
My thoughts.
Bill

We do not know her destination that night. We do not know she was drinking. I believe she knew exactly where she was headed. You're right when you state the crash changed her plans IMO.