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Could a grand jury be investigating a crime committed by Maura? Or by someone who is obstructing an investigation of Maura's disappearance? Could a grand jury be investigating some kind of interference or lying under oath, or even lying to a police officer? IOW, could the grand jury be investigating something other than, strictly speaking, Maura's disappearance.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Simply Caustic wrote: <quoted text>
Depends. Had they thought she simply vanished into the woods, fleeing due to her drinking, and died in the woods - then who is the bad guy? We know, sheerly by the fact that there was a grand jury, that SOMEONE was the focus. I haven't thought through the various options, and I am not trying to insult or hurt Fred....but could HE have potentially been the focus of the GJ? Or, maybe there really was a secret boyfriend she was meeting?
The only situation I can think of where Maura would have been the offender would be if LE were building a case against her for some offense, when she disappeared...they suspected that she fled, whether it be into the car of a friend following her, or somehow got herself to Canada or wherever...a run-of-the-mill credit card lower-level fraudster like Maura wouldn't be worth their time or effort. If it was more intricate then we know (major identity theft, etc.) then perhaps they were trying to build a case against her for that?
I just can't fathom who the focus of the GJ was.
Most leaks from GJ's come from witnesses. I'm surprised we haven't heard any leaks from it - then again, is it feasible that the credit card fraud info. was testified to at the grand jury, and a friend/family member of Maura's passed it along, from one person to the next, until we all got wind of it? Can't recall what year it was that that all came out. I was wondering, too, about the credit card fraud. Was wondering whether Maura was getting the discarded receipts from the trash room or whether she was getting the numbers from another source.
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Simply Caustic
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text>Not sure what this means. Thx. That's because I wrote it in an awkward and queer way. What I meant was, the investigating agencies would all have been listed, regardless of the value of their input. So if some snitch in the county jail in NH told the warden he had valuable information, and the warden then reported it to the State Police or whomever, that's two investigating agencies that would be listed - but maybe his information was bunk. IIRC, that's how some of the information in the Brianna Maitland case came to light - either through a snitch, or just some dealer who had a pending case, and wanted leniency, so he made a statement regarding her purported death. I'm not saying that necessarily is the case here, but, it's possible. Or, it could be some guy she was fooling around with right before her disappearance, that shared lots of phone calls and emails with Maura, that was locked up for a DUI and they interviewed him at the prison. The possibilities are endless, and I wish we had a tad bit more information from the fam to go on here....but I don't know how I would react in their shoes, so I'm trying not to judge.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Where's my buddy from Toronto? Gloating?
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Captain Jack wrote: <quoted text>
Not Shack ... actually an illustrious PI came up with that one. Shack was the one that came to the forum and stated it was menstrual blood on the carpet. And then she disappeared and wouldn't answer any questions about it. So are you saying it was a PI that told shack that info?
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Simply Caustic
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Beagle wrote: Could a grand jury be investigating a crime committed by Maura? Or by someone who is obstructing an investigation of Maura's disappearance? Could a grand jury be investigating some kind of interference or lying under oath, or even lying to a police officer?
IOW, could the grand jury be investigating something other than, strictly speaking, Maura's disappearance. Exactly what I'm wondering. I just don't know...and I don't think I can make an educated guess with the limited information we do have. Even considering the recent Renner postings, I'm not sure how to factor those things in. Did no one do a FOIA request prior to Renner? If it had been done, how is it that the credit card fraud wasn't common knowledge years ago? I don't know much about FOIA, but I was surprised that he was given a copy of the credit card slip and Maura's quasi-mugshot.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Suppose a POI goes with the 5th? And there's no body, right? Would that stall things out if there's no confession, no physical evidence? Can someone be charged with murder in NH if there's no body?
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Simply Caustic
Homer Glen, IL
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text>I was wondering, too, about the credit card fraud. Was wondering whether Maura was getting the discarded receipts from the trash room or whether she was getting the numbers from another source. I can't back it up with a citation, can't recall where I read it, but I *think* it was Renner's blog that stated either in the blog or the comments, something along the lines of, she was obtaining the numbers from the trash room. I had initially believed that without hesitation, because it seems easily done, and I know that the processing credit cards didn't require sec. codes back then. You did doubt it from the beginning. Now, however, thinking about it in re: to a GJ investigation -- you could be right on the ball. She may have stated that she obtained the numbers from the trash room, to avoid angering the person who REALLY was her source for the numbers. Seems far-fetched (ooooohh, let's bring the Occam's Razor conversation, that was wince-worthy)-- but it's possible. I wonder what other possible crimes she could have been a part of (however tangentially). I wonder if any of those could have played a part in this.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Simply Caustic wrote: <quoted text>I don't know much about FOIA, but I was surprised that he was given a copy of the credit card slip and Maura's quasi-mugshot. Maybe an FOIA recipient can get all the evidence? I thought the slip and the photo were surprising, but maybe not.
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Simply Caustic
Homer Glen, IL
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I really had thought that Maura ran from the cops coming to the scene of her accident, got disoriented in the woods, and died. I believe that, like WTF Bill stated is possible, her bones were scattered and won't be discovered unless/until a random hunter stumbles upon them.
I'm having a hard time reconciling this with the Grand Jury. I don't know what crime was committed, because I don't think Maura was killed by anyone....I think it was a tragic accident. What was the GJ for, then? Ugh.
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Beagle
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So is the grand jury still active? Can a grand jury hear testimony in more than one case? Can a grand jury be presented with evidence from two or more totally unrelated cases?
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Beagle
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Simply Caustic wrote: I really had thought that Maura ran from the cops coming to the scene of her accident, got disoriented in the woods, and died. I believe that, like WTF Bill stated is possible, her bones were scattered and won't be discovered unless/until a random hunter stumbles upon them.
I'm having a hard time reconciling this with the Grand Jury. I don't know what crime was committed, because I don't think Maura was killed by anyone....I think it was a tragic accident. What was the GJ for, then? Ugh. That's what I mean. If she ran from the cops and died in the woods, then why the grand jury?
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Tom
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Simply Caustic wrote: I really had thought that Maura ran from the cops coming to the scene of her accident, got disoriented in the woods, and died. I believe that, like WTF Bill stated is possible, her bones were scattered and won't be discovered unless/until a random hunter stumbles upon them.
I'm having a hard time reconciling this with the Grand Jury. I don't know what crime was committed, because I don't think Maura was killed by anyone....I think it was a tragic accident. What was the GJ for, then? Ugh. to create a grand jury on someone without a body I would think that they would have more facts in the case against to try and off set the fact they didn't have a body. Like maybe a stronger motive. Just my opinion
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Tom
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text>That's what I mean. If she ran from the cops and died in the woods, then why the grand jury? There could be a grand jury even if she died in the woods. I would think they may have found someone that had a story that didn't match up. She still could have ran off in the woods and died
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Simply Caustic wrote: I really had thought that Maura ran from the cops coming to the scene of her accident, got disoriented in the woods, and died. I believe that, like WTF Bill stated is possible, her bones were scattered and won't be discovered unless/until a random hunter stumbles upon them.
I'm having a hard time reconciling this with the Grand Jury. I don't know what crime was committed, because I don't think Maura was killed by anyone....I think it was a tragic accident. What was the GJ for, then? Ugh. I wonder if FrmLE is around? He told me about something in NH called an investigative grand jury. I was wondering if it was an investigative grand jury? He might be able to speak to that. Bill
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mcsmom
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text>That's what I mean. If she ran from the cops and died in the woods, then why the grand jury? LE interest in cloths, tape and hair speaks otherwise.
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Tom
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WTH-the-original wrote: <quoted text>
I wonder if FrmLE is around? He told me about something in NH called an investigative grand jury. I was wondering if it was an investigative grand jury? He might be able to speak to that.
Bill Bill all grand juries are investigative by design. A grand jury needs a person to investigate or in tax circumstances a company.
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Tom wrote: <quoted text>
Bill all grand juries are investigative by design. A grand jury needs a person to investigate or in tax circumstances a company. I understand the they are investigative by nature. The impression I got from FrmLE's description was regular grand juries look to indict. These are purely investigative. That was the impression but haven't had the chance to directly ask him these questions. Bill
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Advocate
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Could the grand jury have been called regarding the credit card fraud by Maura but determined not to indict her? If so, presumably that would have been in the fall of 2003. Or, possibly she had done it again and a grand jury was called early in Feb 2004 to look into indicting her? If she knew about it, that would be reason to get away for a few days (to think) or to run.
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mcsmom wrote: <quoted text>
LE interest in cloths, tape and hair speaks otherwise. Do you know for a fact that the tape/hair story was real and that LE found it? Think carefully because I might just know the answer.
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