Maura Murray

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>Just curious... What makes you think that these forms were probably not available online in 2004?
Any opinion as to whether they even existed then?
Mandatory or voluntary?
Would be interesting to know which report was in the Saturn.
Thanks.

I checked the Wayback Machine and can say for certain that the form was available online on June 10, 2004, but it's unknown to me if it was available prior.

To my knowledge, the Weathered Barn is owned by Tim W*man where he stores player pianos and parts. Maybe a restoration workshop?

jwb would know about the WB better than me.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I doubt that those were available online in 2004. Not positive, but I doubt it.
Bill

Even if they were not available online, she could have just stopped at the station and picked them up from any officer.

jwb wrote:

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she used to have a gift shop there at one time I was a gift/homefurnishing rep and used to sell to FW.

Thanks, just wanted to make sure it wasn't an alien colony. Gifts are good. Nothing wrong with gifts.

Pointless Endeavor wrote:

jwb would know about the WB better than me.

It hasn't been a gift shop in quite a while now probably prior to 2004. I have heard that he repairs musical instruments although there is no sign on the Barn. I am not familiar with the historical value of the barn.

jwb wrote:

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Even if they were not available online, she could have just stopped at the station and picked them up from any officer.

Yep. I know that many of the multi-copy forms are still not available on the CT DMV website as a .pdf. You can request them online, but can't download them.

Bill

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>Unless Renner had citigirl's permission.

I doubt he had her permission he said he reached out to call her and she hasn't returned his phone calls.

so Beagle, where are you going with this whole form thing? Was it strictly from the viewpoint of when she got the forms?

jwb wrote:

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Even if they were not available online, she could have just stopped at the station and picked them up from any officer.

Since the report completed by the responding officer was available on Feb. 9, wouldn't Maura or her father have figured it best to get that report before filing out another one? Just so that there was no inconsistency?

Back after my self-imposed time-out I can´t help commenting on the latest James Renner theories as presented on his MM blog.

The e-mail quoted in full by Mr Renner paints a seductively pat and seemingly convincing story.
I´m not saying it can not be true. It has a certain ring of truth to it, and the author of the e-mail message is apparently an educated person who writes well.

However, what if we are being subtly (or perhaps not so subtly) manipulated into thinking that Maura likely orchestrated her own vanishing act?
Deflecting the still possible angle of foul play would only serve the interests of a theoretical, but still feasible perpetrator of a nefarious act
committed against Maura.

Someone on MassLive/Hadley is a wee bit irritated about any talk of Hadley PD.

http://www.masslive.com/forums/hadley/index.s...

Defensive much?

jwb wrote:

so Beagle, where are you going with this whole form thing? Was it strictly from the viewpoint of when she got the forms?

If the Hadley crash report, supposedly found in the Saturn, was the one completed by the responding officer on Feb. 9, then Maura is likely to have picked it up from the Hadley police station on Monday. So it fills in a little bit of a gap.

Ditto if the report was the one to be filled out by the operator but was not available to download. She would have had to pick up a copy somewhere. The four obvious choices are UMass PD, Amherst PD, Hadley PD, and the old RMV office on Russell Street in Hadley.

Beagle wrote:

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If the Hadley crash report, supposedly found in the Saturn, was the one completed by the responding officer on Feb. 9, then Maura is likely to have picked it up from the Hadley police station on Monday. So it fills in a little bit of a gap.
Ditto if the report was the one to be filled out by the operator but was not available to download. She would have had to pick up a copy somewhere. The four obvious choices are UMass PD, Amherst PD, Hadley PD, and the old RMV office on Russell Street in Hadley.

Got it, and if it was an operator report it could have been picked up on sunday or Monday.

Bumping for Maura wrote:

Back after my self-imposed time-out I can´t help commenting on the latest James Renner theories as presented on his MM blog.
The e-mail quoted in full by Mr Renner paints a seductively pat and seemingly convincing story.
I´m not saying it can not be true. It has a certain ring of truth to it, and the author of the e-mail message is apparently an educated person who writes well.
However, what if we are being subtly (or perhaps not so subtly) manipulated into thinking that Maura likely orchestrated her own vanishing act?
Deflecting the still possible angle of foul play would only serve the interests of a theoretical, but still feasible perpetrator of a nefarious act
committed against Maura.

Good to have you back. Anything is possible I think REnner is making the case that this might be the only family member speaking . Foul play was involved in this story it just happened to be Maura running someone over. It's just another theOry.

Beagle wrote:

Someone on MassLive/Hadley is a wee bit irritated about any talk of Hadley PD.
http://www.masslive.com/forums/hadley/index.s...
Defensive much?

Thanks for those posts Beagle

jwb wrote:

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Got it, and if it was an operator report it could have been picked up on sunday or Monday.

Correct. If operator report, then it could have been picked up and no one would necessarily have remembered her, especially at RMV. But if police report, maybe someone would have recalled seeing her; maybe it was even signed for, or her request was noted in log?

whiston wrote:

Hi Beagle thanks for to the WMUR link.I have never seen it.Looks like there was a lot of snow on the corner of Bradley Hill Rd 3 days after the saturn was found.Going from memory ,maybe someone could help but i thought i read that Maura got her cell phone back from Sara on sunday.I dont know what time that was . take care philip

Hey Philip, keep in mind that the snow you saw was plowed into the piles----that's the collection of November through February so, culumatively, it was minimal really (kind of like this year!) Ff you notice when walking in the wooded scenes, the snow is only a few inches deep at most.

There is somthing bugging me about about the renner post regarding the webslueth post. If Helena did infact have this CPA come in to determin the ip adress of the poster and it came up as citigrl (patti ). Why would the CPA then turn around and send a report to Scarinza if it was found to be a relative of Helena and Maura? I also found it odd that whomever wrote the original post wasn't looked into? Did I miss something?

New strange Renner post is up (Wow) lots happening

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>Hey Philip, keep in mind that the snow you saw was plowed into the piles----that's the collection of November through February so, culumatively, it was minimal really (kind of like this year!) Ff you notice when walking in the wooded scenes, the snow is only a few inches deep at most.

Yes, very much like this year. Winter of 2004 was one of the warmest - the warmest, I think - on record, with very little snowfall. I remember because in fall 2003 I bought a new John Deere snow thrower and got to use it only once. The rest of the snow that fell that year was nuisance snow.

Shannon wrote:

If you follow all of Renner's posts of today, Renner is implying that his computer expert believes that it is Citigirl who sent the email to NH State Police that Renner has just put up on his blog. Please read the email address on the email to NHSP – Toronto. The webs this Murray family weaves.

Sir Walter Scott: Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive.
Renner: The email to NHSP is for an email server in Toronto. It is posted immediately above his post about Curves Toronto.