Maura Murray

WTH-the-original wrote:

<quoted text> I stay here just to prevent others from running amok with stupid theories that implicate innocent people in absurd crimes. Bill

Thank you for the sacrifice. So stick to the facts, provide legitimate historical links when requested and stop acting like the English lit. police and we'll all get along. Deal?

jwb wrote:

ok so lets all just sit here and twiddle our thumbs while we wait for the case to be solved.

Ya,god forbid we start windmilling again! LOL

findmaura wrote:

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Ya,god forbid we start windmilling again! LOL

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Feel the breeze.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Again. Someone who has been here for a couple of months. Has no idea of the history, the last eight years. People here who have condemned the entire neighborhood. People ridiculed and hounded and accused for doing nothing but helping. You should at least acknowledge that there are people on this site that know more than you. That have seen people like you, who appear for a couple of months, make the same scenarios that we have heard a hundred times before. Then get bored and leave when they realize that the two thoughts that they put together didn't solve this case.
I also have no horse in this. Whatever happened to Maura was likely self induced. I feel sorry for the family, but they also haven't helped their case in the manner that they, particularly Fred and some of his agents acted. I stay here just to prevent others from running amok with stupid theories that implicate innocent people in absurd crimes.
Wowzer, snowy and I have heard all the theories, more than once. But please, ramble on, we will tell you if your theory holds water and how many times it has been said before you.
Let the games begin.
Bill

Bill, et al.

I have no theories. I am not delusional enough to think I have sufficient info on the case to solve it. I do like to read about the case occasionally to see if there are new developments. Call me curious.

Can't promise I'll be able to make it through 11,550 previous posts of soap opera to memorize what has or has not already been discussed here, however. Likely I'll fail the history test. Shall I pick up my dunce cap at the door or is there a Cliffs Notes version available?:-)

Sincerely,
Annoying Newcomer #4047

findmaura wrote:

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Ya,god forbid we start windmilling again! LOL

Phew, thank goodness we have Bill, Snowy et al. to save us from ourselves.

I don't understand why Mr.Renner, the novelist would Post the video of that laughing man..especially at this time. Would he have to have had permission, from the man? Guess I mean, could he take any youtube video and post it to his blog? I didn't see any use to it other than cruelty....but, guess he achieved what he wanted....notariety for his end.
PS There was only the Maura Missing Forum from November 2004 until August 2008. It was only a bit after that Topix started...so it hasn't been 8 years of discussion...though it does seem that way.

Shack wrote:

I don't understand why Mr.Renner, the novelist would Post the video of that laughing man..especially at this time. Would he have to have had permission, from the man? Guess I mean, could he take any youtube video and post it to his blog? I didn't see any use to it other than cruelty....but, guess he achieved what he wanted....notariety for his end.
PS There was only the Maura Missing Forum from November 2004 until August 2008. It was only a bit after that Topix started...so it hasn't been 8 years of discussion...though it does seem that way.

He was probably notified by a reader. If you searched "Maura Murray" on YouTube last night while the videos were up they were the first hits you got. Possibly after the WMUR news segment last evening many people were doing searches. No permission is needed to link to a YouTube video.

In the past some of us have been critical of Mr. Renner's seemingly unsubstantiated characterization of the Murray family. I believe, however, that these particular videos were linked/posted by him with the sole intention of progressing the investigation into Maura's disappearance. Nothing more.

Shack,

Isues regarding how Renner approaches an investigation is one thing. But there is a contradiction in your reasoning. Renner has only said of Fred Murray that he is not being forthcoming about the days prior to Maura's disappearance, which is true, and which Fred himself indicated he is intentionally not talking about. As such, Renner has not said anything about Fred that Fred has not basically said about himself. The "characterization" you cite, thus is not Renner's, it is characterization that arises from Fred's behavior and statements.

Like I said, that is one thing. But if your concern is the Murray family and how they are being treated and the impact on them of behaviors surrounding this case (as your post clearly suggest), how on God's green earth do does Renner's restatement of Fred's statements and observable behaviors MATTER AT ALL compared to what that dbag Beagle did last night? What Beagle did is cruel and absoluately self-promoting and acid water in the veins mean toward the Murrays. Renner at least is contributing constructively to the discourse around finding Maura. Beagle is pissing on the rosary.

Tom wrote:

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You are right there aren't that many other things to discuss about this case. However for some reason I always find myself coming back to this website to check in to see what's going on. And every now and then I do like posting and debating some issues.

appreciate your honest and direct commentary; often, another voice of reason.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Again. Someone who has been here for a couple of months. Has no idea of the history, the last eight years. People here who have condemned the entire neighborhood. People ridiculed and hounded and accused for doing nothing but helping. You should at least acknowledge that there are people on this site that know more than you. That have seen people like you, who appear for a couple of months, make the same scenarios that we have heard a hundred times before. Then get bored and leave when they realize that the two thoughts that they put together didn't solve this case.
I also have no horse in this. Whatever happened to Maura was likely self induced. I feel sorry for the family, but they also haven't helped their case in the manner that they, particularly Fred and some of his agents acted. I stay here just to prevent others from running amok with stupid theories that implicate innocent people in absurd crimes.
Wowzer, snowy and I have heard all the theories, more than once. But please, ramble on, we will tell you if your theory holds water and how many times it has been said before you.
Let the games begin.
Bill

AMEN.

Amy wrote:

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Bill, et al.
I have no theories. I am not delusional enough to think I have sufficient info on the case to solve it. I do like to read about the case occasionally to see if there are new developments. Call me curious.
Can't promise I'll be able to make it through 11,550 previous posts of soap opera to memorize what has or has not already been discussed here, however. Likely I'll fail the history test. Shall I pick up my dunce cap at the door or is there a Cliffs Notes version available?:-)
Sincerely,
Annoying Newcomer #4047

we can tutor.
several FB pages have a shorter history, as well....and they're interactive, with pictures.

John Green wrote:

Shack,
Isues regarding how Renner approaches an investigation is one thing. But there is a contradiction in your reasoning. Renner has only said of Fred Murray that he is not being forthcoming about the days prior to Maura's disappearance, which is true, and which Fred himself indicated he is intentionally not talking about. As such, Renner has not said anything about Fred that Fred has not basically said about himself. The "characterization" you cite, thus is not Renner's, it is characterization that arises from Fred's behavior and statements.
Like I said, that is one thing. But if your concern is the Murray family and how they are being treated and the impact on them of behaviors surrounding this case (as your post clearly suggest), how on God's green earth do does Renner's restatement of Fred's statements and observable behaviors MATTER AT ALL compared to what that dbag Beagle did last night? What Beagle did is cruel and absoluately self-promoting and acid water in the veins mean toward the Murrays. Renner at least is contributing constructively to the discourse around finding Maura. Beagle is pissing on the rosary.

i'd caution you not to harshly condemn Beagle without proof of his identity in the videos.

Snowy wrote:

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i'd caution you not to harshly condemn Beagle without proof of his identity in the videos.

Completely agree, Snowy.

I posted a couple days ago about Renner "outing" citigirl by posting her real-life name. In this instance, although Renner didn't post Beagle's name, he DID include a photograph.

I'm of the opinion that before posting identifying information, one should be confident of the veracity off that information. I don't know about the Beagle thing, but I know that Renner clearly stated he obtained citigirl's information third-hand...and STILL posted it.

That doesn't lend itself to confidence, in my opinion. If anything, it lowered Renners credibility to me.

That being said, I don't know Beagle personally, and don't know what he looks like.

Simply caustic wrote:

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Completely agree, Snowy.
I posted a couple days ago about Renner "outing" citigirl by posting her real-life name. In this instance, although Renner didn't post Beagle's name, he DID include a photograph.
I'm of the opinion that before posting identifying information, one should be confident of the veracity off that information. I don't know about the Beagle thing, but I know that Renner clearly stated he obtained citigirl's information third-hand...and STILL posted it.
That doesn't lend itself to confidence, in my opinion. If anything, it lowered Renners credibility to me.
That being said, I don't know Beagle personally, and don't know what he looks like.

Renner takes responsibility for his blog; his identity and contact information is authentic.

i am referencing, in particular, an unverified "John Green" who posts across several forums, accusing with abandon and adding gasoline to the fire. his very lengthy, condemning posts are typical of a lynch mob mentality.

this JG person is fully immersed in drama; better that a balanced perspective and logical minds prevail.

Simply caustic wrote:

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I posted a couple days ago about Renner "outing" citigirl by posting her real-life name. In this instance, although Renner didn't post Beagle's name, he DID include a photograph.

There was a name connected with the picture for a brief window of time before it was removed from the comments on Renner's blog. If this a joke gone wrong I hope Beagle's friends -- "aftermath", "just me", "mcsmom", the Swedish connection and others are following up with him.

Whoever made and posted the video has already been tried, convicted and burned at the stake on Websleuths, YouTube and Mr. Renner's blog so unless there's a new development hopefully we can keep the cries for blood to a minimum.

John Green wrote:

Shack,
Isues regarding how Renner approaches an investigation is one thing. But there is a contradiction in your reasoning. Renner has only said of Fred Murray that he is not being forthcoming about the days prior to Maura's disappearance, which is true, and which Fred himself indicated he is intentionally not talking about. As such, Renner has not said anything about Fred that Fred has not basically said about himself. The "characterization" you cite, thus is not Renner's, it is characterization that arises from Fred's behavior and statements.
Like I said, that is one thing. But if your concern is the Murray family and how they are being treated and the impact on them of behaviors surrounding this case (as your post clearly suggest), how on God's green earth do does Renner's restatement of Fred's statements and observable behaviors MATTER AT ALL compared to what that dbag Beagle did last night? What Beagle did is cruel and absoluately self-promoting and acid water in the veins mean toward the Murrays. Renner at least is contributing constructively to the discourse around finding Maura. Beagle is pissing on the rosary.

Character is what you do when no one is looking. Character are the things that you say and the actions that you do. The actions that the the Murray family has and have done will let them be characterized is a specific way. Its up to the readers to decide if it is a negative or postive characterization.

You have some very choice words about Beagle when we don't even know if that is him. you can't characterize a man for actions that you don't even know if it was him that did them.

Frostman wrote:

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There was a name connected with the picture for a brief window of time before it was removed from the comments on Renner's blog. If this a joke gone wrong I hope Beagle's friends -- "aftermath", "just me", "mcsmom", the Swedish connection and others are following up with him.
Whoever made and posted the video has already been tried, convicted and burned at the stake on Websleuths, YouTube and Mr. Renner's blog so unless there's a new development hopefully we can keep the cries for blood to a minimum.

another AMEN.

Tom wrote:

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Character is what you do when no one is looking. Character are the things that you say and the actions that you do. The actions that the the Murray family has and have done will let them be characterized is a specific way. Its up to the readers to decide if it is a negative or postive characterization.
You have some very choice words about Beagle when we don't even know if that is him. you can't characterize a man for actions that you don't even know if it was him that did them.

well stated.
enjoy the day.

Frostman wrote:

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There was a name connected with the picture for a brief window of time before it was removed from the comments on Renner's blog. If this a joke gone wrong I hope Beagle's friends -- "aftermath", "just me", "mcsmom", the Swedish connection and others are following up with him.
Whoever made and posted the video has already been tried, convicted and burned at the stake on Websleuths, YouTube and Mr. Renner's blog so unless there's a new development hopefully we can keep the cries for blood to a minimum.

It's my opinion that this is not the first time we've seen a similar set of circumstances in Maura's case.....

My heart goes out to the family.

What I don't understand is this:

Retired police officer John Healy said he now volunteers to investigate the case. He said he believes someone will eventually talk about the case.
"Somebody will come forward feeling more free to talk to today than the eight or nine years ago when Maura first disappeared," he said.
Read more: http://www.wmur.com/news/30403992/detail.html...

Snowy wrote:

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another AMEN.

Any day now the Southern Baptist Gospel Choir will be along to recruit you!