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JamesRenner wrote:

I really don't like posting on these forums. I find it much more beneficial to the case to just research and post findings on the blog. But I guess I should weigh in here.
First, I haven't made a dime on the book. Likely, even after it's published, I won't even recap what I've spent through travel and research. For instance, those records I recently received (and which I'm still reading through) cost me $450. I've taken three trips into Mass/New Hampshire and that's not cheap.
Second, ever tip and new bit of info I get is passed on to LE first, then posted on my blog.
Patty Davidson who posts as Citigirl is someone I've tried to contact several times and she has not returned my calls for comment. I would very much like to share her side of the story. I'm specifically interested to hear what she might think about her high school pic being found in an adult mag by Fred's house. I would like to hear why she said it was common knowledge within the family that Maura had run away. All this stuff could be cleared up if she and the family would talk.
I find it increasingly odd that Fred does not want a book to be published about Maura, which could only help the search. He wants media attention to bring his daughter home. This is how you get it.
While people may not agree with my methods, I've investigated cold cases for many years. Sharing as munch info with the public as possible is the best thing you can do. It can spur more people to come forward with important information you otherwise would never have discovered.
I did not post Beagle's videos. Luckily, we captured them before he took them down, though. At this point I feel it's important to the case and so they are on my blog. If the family has info that leads them to believe these videos are not important, I'd sure like to hear it.

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JamesRenner wrote:

I really don't like posting on these forums. I find it much more beneficial to the case to just research and post findings on the blog. But I guess I should weigh in here.
First, I haven't made a dime on the book. Likely, even after it's published, I won't even recap what I've spent through travel and research. For instance, those records I recently received (and which I'm still reading through) cost me $450. I've taken three trips into Mass/New Hampshire and that's not cheap.
Second, ever tip and new bit of info I get is passed on to LE first, then posted on my blog.
Patty Davidson who posts as Citigirl is someone I've tried to contact several times and she has not returned my calls for comment. I would very much like to share her side of the story. I'm specifically interested to hear what she might think about her high school pic being found in an adult mag by Fred's house. I would like to hear why she said it was common knowledge within the family that Maura had run away. All this stuff could be cleared up if she and the family would talk.
I find it increasingly odd that Fred does not want a book to be published about Maura, which could only help the search. He wants media attention to bring his daughter home. This is how you get it.
While people may not agree with my methods, I've investigated cold cases for many years. Sharing as munch info with the public as possible is the best thing you can do. It can spur more people to come forward with important information you otherwise would never have discovered.
I did not post Beagle's videos. Luckily, we captured them before he took them down, though. At this point I feel it's important to the case and so they are on my blog. If the family has info that leads them to believe these videos are not important, I'd sure like to hear it.

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Snowy wrote:

looks like the norovirus has spread from the juvenile FB page to Topix with a vengeance. where's that damn lysol spray when you need it?

the stupid feature is plugged in.

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jwb wrote:

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He did contact LE I was in contact via email with him. You should thank him and his poster for saving the video as evidence.
This is your chance to set things straight about his post that mentioned you in it? If it is hearsay then set it straight. If you have nothing to say then that speaks volumes

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Snowy wrote:

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The point of obstruction is at the family's making a case for a reasonable appeal to the public in search of a missing person, along with the father's insistence there is no relevance to her life in Amherst prior to her disappearance.
In addition, YEARS of forum discussions have included Helena and citigirl as self-identified family and their representatives, here and elsewhere, who claim to have "inside" information about MM, and tease the public by withholding it. Speculation is welcomed, unless it is unfavorable to MM and her family.
Your efforts to research/investigate start at a place where the public has left off.
Thank you, James, for your continued efforts. You are, in fact, the only hope to unearth any kernel of information, to document in an organized manner, and to at least set the record straight, so far. The public has simultaneously been misled by misinformation while being asked to "find Maura Murray". The conflict is evident.

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I will thank the poster for saving it but I will not thank Renner for anything because I personally think he should have contacted LE immediatley when he recieved this video before posting it. Family has already made a statement concerning this video. His CPA was wrong and he was incorrect in posting what he claims. What I do know is Maura disappeared on the night of Feb. 9, 2004 and I believe she met up with foul play. I do not believe Maura is alive and have not since she disappeared.

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vanderhoven wrote:

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It's especially moronic. Is the facebook page essentially the same as this lack-lustre back and forth or was today's "crisis" exceptionally awful?
Mcsmom, could you elaborate? I haven't had my caffeine yet and I really don't want to have to re-read the past couple of pages. Please, spare me that fate!

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I will thank the poster for saving it but I will not thank Renner for anything because I personally think he should have contacted LE immediatley when he recieved this video before posting it. Family has already made a statement concerning this video. His CPA was wrong and he was incorrect in posting what he claims. What I do know is Maura disappeared on the night of Feb. 9, 2004 and I believe she met up with foul play. I do not believe Maura is alive and have not since she disappeared.

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Snowey, I rarely agree with you as you well know but your post is dead on.

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kitten wrote:

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Girlfriend, I APOLOGIZED to you. I backed off. And then you acted weird again, and other people noticed. I'm not going to spread your name around the internet, but you have to take responsibility for what you post. When you enter a community which has a truce about posting all of Mr Renner's unsubstantiated leads and post the creepiest things of all, it LOOKS WEIRD. And when you then delete it all, it looks even weirder.
At no point did I say you are the creeper. And at no point did I use your name. SO go ahead and "call the cops", because they'll just laugh at you and be upset you wasted their resources. As you said, I can post what I want.

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Advocate wrote:

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My point had nothing to do with supporting or defending Renner putting up the information he put up. My point was only that nothing in what he posted actually "outed" Citigirl -- the info he put up was clearly speculation and not fact. People seemed to be taking it as fact and jumping to the conclusion that Citigirl was actually named XXX (not doing the name because I don't see any reason to fan that smoke). I've noticed that Citigirl has not posted since that whole subject came up, and honestly if I thought people were trying to investigate ME, I probably would not post either. Leaping to conclusions based on clearly marked hearsay is just frankly kinda dumb in my opinion.
Oh, and further, to best of my knowledge Citigirl herself has never castigated locals. On the contrary she has many times voiced her appreciation of the kindness and assistance of locals.

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JamesRenner wrote:

I really don't like posting on these forums. I find it much more beneficial to the case to just research and post findings on the blog. But I guess I should weigh in here.
First, I haven't made a dime on the book. Likely, even after it's published, I won't even recap what I've spent through travel and research. For instance, those records I recently received (and which I'm still reading through) cost me $450. I've taken three trips into Mass/New Hampshire and that's not cheap.
Second, ever tip and new bit of info I get is passed on to LE first, then posted on my blog.
Patty Davidson who posts as Citigirl is someone I've tried to contact several times and she has not returned my calls for comment. I would very much like to share her side of the story. I'm specifically interested to hear what she might think about her high school pic being found in an adult mag by Fred's house. I would like to hear why she said it was common knowledge within the family that Maura had run away. All this stuff could be cleared up if she and the family would talk.
I find it increasingly odd that Fred does not want a book to be published about Maura, which could only help the search. He wants media attention to bring his daughter home. This is how you get it.
While people may not agree with my methods, I've investigated cold cases for many years. Sharing as munch info with the public as possible is the best thing you can do. It can spur more people to come forward with important information you otherwise would never have discovered.
I did not post Beagle's videos. Luckily, we captured them before he took them down, though. At this point I feel it's important to the case and so they are on my blog. If the family has info that leads them to believe these videos are not important, I'd sure like to hear it.

kitten wrote:

Just to set the record straight, everyone, about "So Upset" and what went down last night on the Facebook forum.
This person posted the first two videos to the FB site two days ago, IMMEDIATELY after they appeared. She used a moniker called "Chic Illi", which from what I understand is a slang reference to Chicago. It's clearly not a real name.
When I told her (using my real name, mind you, as it's on Facebook) that she shouldn't post them publicly yet but send them to the police, she reacted with "Excuse me bitch? You can't tell me what to post." I just went looking for those posts and they are gone now. SO wish I'd screenshot them. UGH stupid Kat.
So last night, again IMMEDIATELY she posted the third on the Facebook. This time, though, she used her personal account (supposedly) under a real name, which I know but won't mention here because if she's not weird that's not nice. You can find it easily enough on the most recent thread. So, this woman Dawn, and I use her name because she has no moniker, called her out on the fact that she's been the one posting these videos.(This is the conversation So Upset was sooo upset about.) The thread can be read here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1123458787919...
Helena and Troy, as you can see from this conversation, are also suspicious of this person. Now all the posts from Chic Illi are gone, and there's no reason why she'd removed them-- there's nothing incriminating, unless a timestamp proved she posted them before Renner did. I wonder.

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Snowy wrote:

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this little paradise has been a holding place for the old guard.
the lysol reference has become a metaphor for MM's self-proclaimed representatives to accuse local NH residents of "abducting" and "killing" MM.
it is said there is a "serial killer" on the loose for 35 years in NH; it is said a trusted male in uniform lured her away from the site of the Saturn's resting place; it is said the school bus driver or construction worker is responsible for her disappearance.
mention of MM's life before her disappearance has been taboo in moderated forums.
enter James Renner....and this same group of individuals who have actively worked to hide personal information about MM feel a tremendous loss of control.
it takes broad shoulders for JR to do the heavy lifting required before writing his book. the alternative might have been for him to write first and ask later....as Casey Sherman did.
time to make the donuts.

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Snowy wrote:

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no one should be "outed" on forums. just plain wrong.
Renner should be revealing sources only with their permission.
there are too many unforeseen consequences with so many unstable, anonymous posters who may put someone at risk.

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>no where have I ever stated Maura is a runaway or have I stated it is common knowledge within the family. I and family believe Maura was murdered so I dont know where you are getting your info from. You have never once tried to contact me. So that only goes to show you have no idea who you are looking for.You are on a witch hunt. I do realize that you did not post the video but you did post the video on your blog. My opinion is it should have gone to LE imediatley.

Snowy wrote:

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The point of obstruction is at the family's making a case for a reasonable appeal to the public in search of a missing person, along with the father's insistence there is no relevance to her life in Amherst prior to her disappearance.
In addition, YEARS of forum discussions have included Helena and citigirl as self-identified family and their representatives, here and elsewhere, who claim to have "inside" information about MM, and tease the public by withholding it. Speculation is welcomed, unless it is unfavorable to MM and her family.
Your efforts to research/investigate start at a place where the public has left off.
Thank you, James, for your continued efforts. You are, in fact, the only hope to unearth any kernel of information, to document in an organized manner, and to at least set the record straight, so far. The public has simultaneously been misled by misinformation while being asked to "find Maura Murray". The conflict is evident.