Maura Murray

ask again I noticed earlier that post was deleated but wasn't sure what the post said

jwb wrote:

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Bill, the PM reports that are shown in links after the last Video. Are they public records or are these records that DM would have had.?

I just scanned some of the information. What I saw was information that I think people familiar with the case would know. If you really think that there is something odd about what was listed, I can look closer. I am fairly certain, like some other have agreed, that the last three of these are a copy cat. It appears that it is someone familiar with both cases but I would bet that whoever is doing it has covered his tracks very well.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I tend to agree. It is a form of extortion. A type of yellow journalism. The type that the rags use. His attitude is, "if you don't talk to him that gives him Carte blanche to portray the family any way he wishes."
Bill

I agree. The more people are pushed to be interviewed by Mr. Renner, the less credible I find him, especially when they elect not to do so they are categorized as being uncaring or somehow disinterest or perhaps worse still, hiding something.

jwb wrote:

ask again I noticed earlier that post was deleated but wasn't sure what the post said

I didn't copy my post to know the exact wording I used. But the questions in so many words were:

1) What are the "old MMM forums" people refer to so often? Is the archive still available?

2) What ever happened with the poster called "Mason" who was a lawyer? In another forum, I read that he requested work records from FM. I was wondering what happened with that.

Maybe I broke a rule by linking to an old forum? I have no idea why it was deleted. If I broke a rule, I appologize and expect this will be deleted too.

*disinterested.

WTH-the-original wrote:

I will bet money that the last three are not the same person. Not the same style and I'll bet whoever did these, hid themselves very, very well.
Bill

Could be and likely is, although it could, for argument's sake be the same person simply responding to the need to disguise themselves a little better. I tend to side with you, and think it is a second person. However, it's hard to say because the initial videos did not use cartoonish graphics so they aren't exactly easy to compare. I do however doubt the double very's in terms of hiding themselves. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the poster went to what they considered to be great lengths in order to disguise themselves and that they are cracked, so to speak, or could be, within two seconds. People are idiots. Being able to use MS Paint doesn't preclude them from that. I would not be at all shocked if the only measures they took was creating a secondary youtube account and not including their picture in the vid, but then I could be wrong. It's possible they are more adept than I'm giving them credit for.

jwb wrote:

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Did you read under the pic? Taunting

just came back...haven't really digested the links. pretty good guess where it's all coming from, however.

Amy wrote:

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Maybe people here don't like questions?:-)

Don't mind to the politburo. You have to sneak in your questions and posts when they're sleeping.

(Sigh) It was so much more fun when we were hurtling outrageous insults at one-another.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I just scanned some of the information. What I saw was information that I think people familiar with the case would know. If you really think that there is something odd about what was listed, I can look closer. I am fairly certain, like some other have agreed, that the last three of these are a copy cat. It appears that it is someone familiar with both cases but I would bet that whoever is doing it has covered his tracks very well.
Bill

Bill would you mind terribly going over the links? I'm not nearly as familiar with the case as you are, and I would certainly appreciate your insights. As would others, I am sure.

Snowy wrote:

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just came back...haven't really digested the links. pretty good guess where it's all coming from, however.

I won't ask who specifically, as I don't, and I'm sure you don't want to out anyone and I'd feel uncomfortable initiating that. Especially based on speculations. That said, I am curious as to whether or not you think it's the same person as the initial videos posted.

Amy, what was your question? I missed it.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I just scanned some of the information. What I saw was information that I think people familiar with the case would know. If you really think that there is something odd about what was listed, I can look closer. I am fairly certain, like some other have agreed, that the last three of these are a copy cat. It appears that it is someone familiar with both cases but I would bet that whoever is doing it has covered his tracks very well.
Bill

I think it's the same person. The second account's profile says "Date Joined Feb 8, 2012"

vanderhoven wrote:

Amy, what was your question? I missed it.

My questions were:

1) What are the "old MMM forums" people refer to so often? Is the archive still available?

2) What ever happened with the poster called "Mason" who was a lawyer? In another forum, I read that he requested work records from FM. I was wondering what happened with that.

Just trying to catch up on the history of what's gone on here. Not as easy as I thought it would be.:-)

Mr112dirtbag's profile:

Date Joined
Feb 8, 2012

Age
60

Country
United States

The 112dirtbag's profile was the same except said he joined on Feb 7, 2012. Same age.

Doubt it's a copycat.

Amy wrote:

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I was wondering what happened with that.
Just trying to catch up on the history of what's gone on here. Not as easy as I thought it would be.:-)

Haha, I share your dilemma. It's funny that for a case with so little information there is such an intricate back-story. Sorry I can't help answer your questions. Hopefully someone will. I've found everyone to be pretty helpful thus far.

Amy wrote:

Mr112dirtbag's profile:
Date Joined
Feb 8, 2012
Age
60
Country
United States
The 112dirtbag's profile was the same except said he joined on Feb 7, 2012. Same age.
Doubt it's a copycat.

It would not be difficult to input the same info. Again, for argument's sake.

vanderhoven wrote:

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I won't ask who specifically, as I don't, and I'm sure you don't want to out anyone and I'd feel uncomfortable initiating that. Especially based on speculations. That said, I am curious as to whether or not you think it's the same person as the initial videos posted.

haven't looked closely....it doesn't matter. probably the same person. multi-monikered, self-talking and attention-loving. trying to keep it interesting when little is new. just my perception. you think?

vanderhoven wrote:

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It would not be difficult to input the same info. Again, for argument's sake.

I could be wrong. It seems unlikely that a copycat would get started registering on Feb 8 before the original poster deleted his account, which was after midnight so technically Feb 9.

Snowy wrote:

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haven't looked closely....it doesn't matter. probably the same person. multi-monikered, self-talking and attention-loving. trying to keep it interesting when little is new. just my perception. you think?

It would be helpful to know if there were anything impeding the first person from posting. I just glanced at the videos myself. In truth, I'm pretty wiped tonight and finding it increasingly difficult to string together a coherent sentence, but I'll take another look tomorrow and post any observations.

I would agree that it probably doesn't much matter. Although, there are a number of ways in which this could ultimately further the case. It sounds callous to say, because I'm sure it must be awful for MM's family assuming they're following any of this- but I mean, renewed attention to the case, no matter how grotesque the cause for the renewed attention is never a bad thing.

Goodnight everyone! I look forward to reading more at a later date. Best to you all.

Again, thanks Snowy for your help yesterday. I'll get caught up... Eventually!