Maura Murray

I personally interviewed EMS and they stated that they were released from the scene by Sgt. Smith 6 min. after arrival. This is a fact.!

Woodsville has 2 ambulances and the EMS crews are not volunteers, they are paid employees. IF another call was recieved 60A2 would have responded. 60A1 did not receive another call for 1 hr. 20 min.

"IT WOULD PISS THEM OFF AND THEY WOULD STOP RESPONDING".....It is their job, YOU above all should know that IF You really are what You say You are. IS THAT WHAT THEY DO IN CONNECTICUT?

I never said she was hurt bad, but she did possibly hit her head and while walking down the road MAY HAVE passed out.

Smith stated 2 days later to the family that He thought it was just another abandoned vehicle.
So MORE THAN LIKELY He did not consider it a crime scene. He checked w/ The Westmans and Atwood, BUT HE DID NOT GO TO ONE OTHER HOUSE THAT NIGHT. Not a very thorough investigation IF HE WENT INTO CRIME SCENE MODE.

Woodsville NH EMS

In 1995, we hired our first paramedic, Suzanne Prentiss who had just finished a federally funded job based at Dartmouth Hitchcock in Hanover.“Sue P”, as she is often called, is now the director of EMS for the State of New Hampshire. She helped us to evolve into a Paramedic Based EMS Operation and worked hard to upgrade the training locally as well as regionally. That same year, we moved into the new Emergency Services Building located on Route 10. The new facility houses the EMS and Fire/Rescue operations and the business offices. We also have ample room to train and comfortable space for the duty crew to live and sleep. We now have three fully equipped EMS ambulances worth about $150,000 each. Our staff is all paid to be ready 24 hours a day. We try to have at least one Paramedic on duty on all shifts. Paramedics are trained to provide all of the emergent field care needs of patients in dire need of advanced care such as heart attacks, or other life threatening events. With the introduction of the enhanced 911 system at dispatch, Woodsville EMS now offers the quickest, best equipped and trained emergency response system available.

Smith dissed EMS but later asked if " she'd shown at Cottage".

Doesn't make sense to me.

K-9 Handler wrote:

Woodsville NH EMS
In 1995, we hired our first paramedic, Suzanne Prentiss who had just finished a federally funded job based at Dartmouth Hitchcock in Hanover.“Sue P”, as she is often called, is now the director of EMS for the State of New Hampshire. She helped us to evolve into a Paramedic Based EMS Operation and worked hard to upgrade the training locally as well as regionally. That same year, we moved into the new Emergency Services Building located on Route 10. The new facility houses the EMS and Fire/Rescue operations and the business offices. We also have ample room to train and comfortable space for the duty crew to live and sleep. We now have three fully equipped EMS ambulances worth about $150,000 each. Our staff is all paid to be ready 24 hours a day. We try to have at least one Paramedic on duty on all shifts. Paramedics are trained to provide all of the emergent field care needs of patients in dire need of advanced care such as heart attacks, or other life threatening events. With the introduction of the enhanced 911 system at dispatch, Woodsville EMS now offers the quickest, best equipped and trained emergency response system available.

If you know all this Columbo then you should know that the ambulances are not all staying in town just waiting for an emergency call. They travel to DHMC in Hanover, Littleton Hospital and many other places. They also do transports.

I know that as well. But that does not change the circumstances of My statement to WTF.

SMITH released EMS from the scene.

Mcsmom wrote:

Smith dissed EMS but later asked if " she'd shown at Cottage".
Doesn't make sense to me.

Why doesn't it make sense? It's not unheard of to have a passerby bring someone to the hospital. Since no one was at the car it makes sense to me to rule out the person going to the hospital. JMO

What doesn't make sense is....... Smith thought she was injured (by his own admission), and on foot (per his BOL to fire, not picked up by a passerby) so my point is, why blow off EMS in a record breaking six minutes, when you have someone injured and on foot, on a dark, cold winter night?????

mcsmom wrote:

What doesn't make sense is....... Smith thought she was injured (by his own admission), and on foot (per his BOL to fire, not picked up by a passerby) so my point is, why blow off EMS in a record breaking six minutes, when you have someone injured and on foot, on a dark, cold winter night?????

This may be inaccurate because of the little later time frame but, a senior on RO's block needed an ambulance, didn't she? And because the areas are fairly close, maybe that one went back to stand by at the elders residence/ I don't know. But it made me think about Smiths drawing. He has Mauras car going\\and the// may have been thought to be a service vehicle. You know, as if one had pulled up and that's why she was gone. Also, maybe that cottage worker chatter came to his attention.....all the confusion Smith had being new with the roads and such. Not my words either.

sorry, must be the fog in my mind........
As Maura was having her accident, someone was about to need help on ROs street. A witness says they drove by a car with a car NOSE TO NOSE.
As Smith is rushing around, maybe time's a wasting and he sees this nose to nose thing there too but has to go on to reach the weathered barn now. He rushes by the stagestop.... maybe he's thinking she's hurt, I just heard the chatter, no need to stop, no one is here like they say, but she must be hurt. With the female slides off the road scenerio, leaving in private vehicle, he may have seen the rag in the tailpipe (I know, IMPOSSIBLE TO DRIVE FAR WITH A RAG IN PIPE), but still, in his mind he was seeing her car twice without ever seeing her? Maybe told EMS to stay away so the drawing he made of two cars could stay in tact.
Hope this helps, it's the best I can do.
Just another shot in the dark.

Bad Billy

K-9 Handler wrote:

Woodsville NH EMS In 1995,...

Good research. I assumed that the response was from Woodsville. Apparently, like you pointed out it is a full time service from Haverhill. I should point tout that is pretty remarkable to have a ALS service in a town that small 24/7.

That does not change anything else that I said. A medical call is run and owned by EMS. A fire/rescue is the domain of the Fire department. And of course criminal is the domain of the Police department.

The state of CT and NHTSA and the National registry and DOT is very clear on how medical calls are handled and who and how they can be canceled or cleared. While we appreciate it when an officer tells us the person is no longer on scene or the person is refusing treatment and denying injury. We will still proceed to the scene though usually not with lights and siren because of safety concerns and ensure the patient is checked appropriately. To not do that invites lawsuits. I'll say it again. Any EMS system allowing a non-EMS worker to clear them from a scene is asking to be sued. I will also say it again. They did not do this. The ambulance and Fire both arrived at the scene. They made a decision, including Smiths information and cleared the scene.

We run a paid day crew and nights, weekends, holidays are handled by volunteer. MOST services around 80% throughout the country are set up like this. If you think that people that work 8 to 10 hour days to take care of their families, will then repeatedly come out time and time again at all hours of the night, in the worst weather imaginable, over and over just to just sit and do nothing. You really have no clue how to handle people, especially volunteers.

You should also be aware of what is called "A duty to act". There is none required by an EMT, unless, he is on duty or he has actually started care and even then, there are circumstances that allows them to stop care.

Bill

Mcsmom wrote:

Smith dissed EMS but later asked if " she'd shown at Cottage".
Doesn't make sense to me.

Could Cecil have sent them to go drive around to look for a possibly hurt person on foot. We all know that info is held back, and this could be one of those things.

And heck, let's just say someone did see something suspicious, enough to say they saw her leave, what would the point be in staying around and getting close to the vehicle? Maybe someone on a snowmobile fits in here somehow??????

mcsmom wrote:

What doesn't make sense is....... Smith thought she was injured (by his own admission), and on foot (per his BOL to fire, not picked up by a passerby) so my point is, why blow off EMS in a record breaking six minutes, when you have someone injured and on foot, on a dark, cold winter night?????

What is it that makes you think that Smith thought that Maura was injured, especially when his report clearly states: that the airbag deployed. That her condition was unknown, and that the location of her most severe complaint was also unknown and that she was not ejected.

Bill

just me wrote:

(I know, IMPOSSIBLE TO DRIVE FAR WITH A RAG IN PIPE)

I'm not sure if you are kidding but it is common knowledge that stuffing a rag in the tailpipe would do absolutely nothing to the car. The rag would get blown out. Even a potato stuffed in the tailpipe would get blown out.

Bill

WTF-the-original wrote:

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I'm not sure if you are kidding but it is common knowledge that stuffing a rag in the tailpipe would do absolutely nothing to the car. The rag would get blown out. Even a potato stuffed in the tailpipe would get blown out.
Bill

Nah, I know enough about the rag thing to think it was put there for some weird reason.(In your face dad) was one idea, but it was sure never looky, looky, my car is stuck. Something sinister about the rag? I doubt it too, UNLESS the car was up on a bed being towed. A white rag showing from a black car might help identify. But I do doubt this idea, as well.

What made sense at the time of the post was that IF Cecil was struggling to find the saturn because of Swiftwater road, swiftwater circle, whatever the confusion was, and being new with driving this terrain, well, think of the other info. A female slides off the road. He drives by it perhaps seeing another car nose to nose with it. But he's being called further on now upon finding out the person left in a private vehicle. I realize this mystery info never showed up in the logs, but there does seem to be some missing info too. There's a cottage employee witness who says she drove by such a scene and unless she is mistaken or flat out lying, Cecil may have seen it too. Still doesn't explain the rag though unless it was symbolic in some way.

Bill....I think Smith thought she might have been injured because he asked if "she'd shown at Cottage".
"Had they located the party, or had she shown at Cottage"

The interesting word here that he used is "party".

Definition of party as used by law enforcement:

In a police report, the police name each citizen involved in an incident. The officers also note witnesses, bystanders and relatives as parties.

IMO, I think Smith is looking for another witness he knows exists. At this point however, he issues the BOL as her being on foot.

IMO he must have some description of "the party" since he knows they saw something pertaining to the incident.

Monaghan is also looking for someone on foot. As is SBD.

The exact phrase in the log is:

Any luck locating the party, or has she shown at Cottgae?

WTF....

*****Direct from EMS *****

Quote: " Sgt. Smith released us from the scene in 6 minutes"

I am only repeating what was told to Me. I cannot help it if this is not the way it is supposed to be, but that is what happened.

You can take this up with Sgt. Smith and EMS if You like.

Thank You

K-9 Handler wrote:

WTF....
*****Direct from EMS *****
Quote: " Sgt. Smith released us from the scene in 6 minutes"
I am only repeating what was told to Me. I cannot help it if this is not the way it is supposed to be, but that is what happened.
You can take this up with Sgt. Smith and EMS if You like.
Thank You

I'll try to explain this again. EMS decided to leave based upon Sgt Smiths input. It is not incumbent on them to leave. The decision is theirs.

Bill