Maura Murray

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I find this of most interest. Assuming it isn't shack giving me a spam/peanut/mean judgement. That means at least one person here thinks that someone claiming to be an eyewitness should be able to say things, as an eyewitness, that is incorrect.
This is of course the biggest problem here. There are some, maybe many, who don't care what is said, repeated, as long as it makes the story better. Doesn't need to be correct. Doesn't need any verification, just as long as it sounds good. Because, lets face it. A good story is much better than a true story. So this is why Wowzer, Snowy and I stick around. To try to separate the bullshit, from fact because clearly, some, if not many, like the story or Maura more than the facts about Maura. So when you hear us dispute, serial killers from ten years and hundreds of miles past, or wonder what the f**k a possible killing in CA has to do with this case. Or that this case has anything to do with murders or with corrupt cops, evil bus drivers etc. It is because the bullshit quotient has been exceeded by many and without due regard. Much of it has passed into legend. There has been no evidence to suggest that Maura did anything other than run away from an accident that she caused by drinking. From there, any conjecture proceeds into the realm of fantasy.
Bill

well stated, of course.

my bull-shite-a-meter is pretty accurate; it's the high end model.

from day 1, i gravitated toward recognizing fact-based evidence, but have been frustrated by a paucity of facts and an abundance of speculation that is molded to tell a convenient story, line by line, and chapter by chapter.
i, therefore, stand with anyone who takes a logical and reasoned approach to this long-standing mystery. i have less patience than i used to for serving and lobbing.

Emmett Dove wrote:

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Yes It does very much... The words that I typed about the guy laughing in the first video, was out of rage from a man whom has a daughter.. I have tried very hard to control my emotions recently.. I wished I wouldnt have typed what I typed, but hindsight is 20/20 ..

please don't go back there. i didn't see it; it's probable a number of others didn't either.
the truth is that for ALL of the intended damage to local NH residents, none of these online, armchair sleuthers have ever made an apology, nor have they made amends for their cruelty.
not one apology.
think twice before apologizing more than once.

Det Columbo wrote:

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WTH, Wowzer and Snowy....
I personally would like to Thank You for sticking around to sort through the BullShit. It has been a great pleasure to have You here and let Me just say Your efforts have not gone Unnoticed.
I can just see Wowzer with that bucket of Popcorn and The Mayor of Bradley Hill Rd. hat on....
Snowy dressed in the Gorton's fisherman outfit Walking on Water holding a RED Herring....
and....
Of Course....
WTH taking up the rear with His "Occam's Razor for Dummies" Book...and a sign that says "Follow Me, I know the!!"
All this while wearing Cammo Hip-Boots.
Thanx again for keeping it tidy.
John

Your welcome columbo. I'm so glad to hear our efforts have not gone unnoticed. I'm sure everyone's efforts have not gone unnoticed. It makes it more worthwhile as it becomes expensive to keep buying new waders and shovels every few weeks to replace the worn out ones.

Since the MM forum was started and earlier when the 1st MMM foums came out I've lived in disgust and amazement.
A woman crashed into a snowbank, refused any help and disappeared.
A whole neighborhood was blamed along with the local PD, the NH State Police, tow truck drivers, first responders and the whole state of NH etc. etc.
Some wanted everyone to take lie detector tests, be lined up and searched, have every home searched from top to bottom, yards searched several times, and even talk of having the SBD's yard and cellar dug up.
NH people and LE were called names, falsely accused of having something to do with Maura's disappearance and insulted beyond all reason.
If being honest and standing up for myself,my state, the locals that tried to help Maura, and the NHSP and Haverhill PD that has been working on this from the very beginning is a laughing matter to you Columbo then laugh away. I have done nothing wrong and will continue to do what I think is right. I'm getting a little tired though. It's been a long battle for the truth and my body is tiring digging thru all the BS.

amy researches wrote:

<quoted text>I feel worse now, thinking of what others had to go through. "Justice" for the dead/missing at the expense of living innocents is not justice at all.

Another person who gets it. And now knows why some of us stick around. No delusions about solving this case. Just trying to keep some from doing damage to others.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Well you are about to get an earful because Det. Columbo is going to tell you all the evidence he has that made him accuse me as the author of the video that insulted or offended you. I still don't know what was in the video. I said before his favorite thing to do is sling bullshit. Now he is going to prove that I am the author by just the overwhelming amount of evidence that he has. Or, like in the past, you will hear crickets. Not a single freaking noise, for days or weeks. Then he will return to throw another turd over the wall and watch what people do. We call that person a troll. You will NEVER see him produce evidence for anything he says, he never has, I am sure he never will. He produces out and out bullshit. That is all he has ever produced and all he likely will ever produce.
Bill

lob it and run right back into the rat hole.
making up "facts" by intentional misinformation and/or by omission.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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SBD was delivering children back from a ski trip. Just getting home when he saw the accident and tried to help, only to be rebuffed and lied to by Maura.
Did you say you were a Ranger?
Bill

Yes I was a Ranger.. Even got my "class pic" to prove it.. I got hurt in a normal routine jump at Bragg during drills in my 7'th year..

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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JMHO but when you put your real name on a public forum you are jeopardizing your safety.
As an example when it was learned that the SBD had moved to Florida his address was traced and a very scary threatening mentally disturbed poster said he would go to his house to ask him questions. Beware. Not everyone is who they claim to be.

Well not the part about SBD. His name became known because in the beginning he frequently spoke to anyone with a notebook or microphone. How many houses are in the area? The only ones anybody knows about are the ones that inserted themselves into the media spotlight in one way or another.

Snowy wrote:

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when i first came to this forum the piling on Beagle was shamefully cruel.

I hope Beagle will come back. I would like to apologize to him for stating in a public forum that he seems mentally ill. I didn't mean it in a bad way, but I should not have said it.

I read through some of his posts last night. I don't agree with all of his theories. But reading through some of his posts, I can see now that he is not only intelligent but funny.

I left a comment last night on one of his vids suggesting he start a print-on-demand t-shirt line. "We're All Beagle!" With a line-up of little Snoopy dogs underneath.:-)

Beagle, if you're reading this, I hope you will accept my apology. Your videos encouraged me to dig deeper into researching this case, and I appreciate that.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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While that is appreciated what I would appreciate more would be you telling me and everyone else. What evidence do you have that I am the mystery video person that you claim I produced? I mean, hit me with it. Put every piece of evidence you have O great detective that lead you to accuse me on a public forum that I was the author of this video you talk about. I know I am really putting myself in jeopardy by doing this because there is little doubt that your keen detective skills have me dead to right. If you cannot produce a shred of evidence, you risk putting yourself in the shack category. That being of course, someone full of shit and useless. Not to be listened to because you say stream of consciousness, say anything that you feel like saying bullshit. Nothing based on fact at all. Like the trailer hitch fiasco. Like the expert on auto reconstruction who didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.
So hit me with it. Show all of us your incredible deductive and logic skills, like the persons moniker that you take. No he, was the best fake detective on TV.
I am sure everyone is waiting. Everyone queue up. Listen carefully. Wisdom, intelligence and insight follows. Det. Colombo will speak.
Bill

"OH.... And just one more thing Please, Sir.! "

Did You go to Art School..?

I never accused anyone....pure speculation Sir...pure speculation.!

John

WTH-the-original wrote:

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SBD was delivering children back from a ski trip. Just getting home when he saw the accident and tried to help, only to be rebuffed and lied to by Maura.

It had been a long day for him. Driving on twisty, windy, slippery, mountain, frost-heaving roads. Driving a bus full of rambunctious young boys. He had to be exhausted. Most people under those conditions would not have bothered to stop. Yes, he is a hero. The Murray family should have thanked him. Instead Fred allowed Helena Murray to lead the vilification of him which lead to his untimely death.

whitenoise wrote:

<quoted text> It's over ? It's in the past ? SBD is dead. Harassed and bullied to death by Shack under the watchful eye of Helena Murray. When u r dead u r dead forever, so it is never over. Unless you can bring back the dead.

I thought that the SBD moved to warmer climes and later died of natural causes. Are you suggesting that he committed suicide over comments made on a forum by posters, or as a result of being recontacted by private investigators because he was the last known person to see a missing girl alive?

He looked as if he was a kind man, but his passing is not related to finding out what happened to Maura Murray.

amy researches wrote:

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I hope Beagle will come back. I would like to apologize to him for stating in a public forum that he seems mentally ill. I didn't mean it in a bad way, but I should not have said it.
I read through some of his posts last night. I don't agree with all of his theories. But reading through some of his posts, I can see now that he is not only intelligent but funny.
I left a comment last night on one of his vids suggesting he start a print-on-demand t-shirt line. "We're All Beagle!" With a line-up of little Snoopy dogs underneath.:-)
Beagle, if you're reading this, I hope you will accept my apology. Your videos encouraged me to dig deeper into researching this case, and I appreciate that.

yes, Beagle is Beagle, and although i often don't subscribe to his theories, and can't appreciate the risks he takes when he acts out, there is a baseline of respect for his intelligence, humor and presence.
no one can casually judge another to be mentally ill just by appearances.
not to worry, i trust he's doing well.

Not so wrote:

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Well not the part about SBD. His name became known because in the beginning he frequently spoke to anyone with a notebook or microphone. How many houses are in the area? The only ones anybody knows about are the ones that inserted themselves into the media spotlight in one way or another.

They were inserted because they either called for help for Maura or stopped to help her. They didn't chase the media and ask for interviews or beg the strangers, family and friends to question them. Each person that helped was picked to pieces on the forums.
So your blaming the ones that tried to help for putting themselves in the media spotlight? Nice.

new renner post

amy researches wrote:

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I hope Beagle will come back. I would like to apologize to him for stating in a public forum that he seems mentally ill. I didn't mean it in a bad way, but I should not have said it.
I read through some of his posts last night. I don't agree with all of his theories. But reading through some of his posts, I can see now that he is not only intelligent but funny.
I left a comment last night on one of his vids suggesting he start a print-on-demand t-shirt line. "We're All Beagle!" With a line-up of little Snoopy dogs underneath.:-)
Beagle, if you're reading this, I hope you will accept my apology. Your videos encouraged me to dig deeper into researching this case, and I appreciate that.

I think Beagle is reading everything here. He's been a part of this forum for a long time.

whitenoise wrote:

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It's over ? It's in the past ? SBD is dead. Harassed and bullied to death by Shack under the watchful eye of Helena Murray. When u r dead u r dead forever, so it is never over. Unless you can bring back the dead.

i'm with Tom.
we notice whitenoise's popularity with the silent audience is overwhelmingly positive!
have i not said the same thing?:)

James Renner's new latest blog entry just came out 30 minutes ago. Finally he's asking his followers who might be responsible for the disappearance of Maura Murray and whether possible suspects might be known in the locale where she disappeared.

amy researches wrote:

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I hope Beagle will come back. I would like to apologize to him for stating in a public forum that he seems mentally ill. I didn't mean it in a bad way, but I should not have said it.
I read through some of his posts last night. I don't agree with all of his theories. But reading through some of his posts, I can see now that he is not only intelligent but funny.
I left a comment last night on one of his vids suggesting he start a print-on-demand t-shirt line. "We're All Beagle!" With a line-up of little Snoopy dogs underneath.:-)
Beagle, if you're reading this, I hope you will accept my apology. Your videos encouraged me to dig deeper into researching this case, and I appreciate that.

I heart the Beagle t-shirts idea. Beagle has cost me so many keyboards by causing belly laughs thus causing the spewing of hot chocolate/white wine all over my computer. Besides I love beagles - the real ones.

whitenoise wrote:

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I heart the Beagle t-shirts idea. Beagle has cost me so many keyboards by causing belly laughs thus causing the spewing of hot chocolate/white wine all over my computer. Besides I love beagles - the real ones.

Unrelated to our Beagle, I have long funded various Beagle Rescue organizations.

Beagle was posting on Yankton, SD Topix about Maura as recently as 20 hours ago.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/yankton-sd/TH...

No doubt he's reading the posts here as well.