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I agree that Maura left the accident scene because she didn't want to face the possibility of a DUI -- particularly only a few days after she wrecked her dad's car (perhaps also while drinking, and possibly also involving a hit-and-run incident with a UMass student Petrit Vasi), and particularly when she had left school without notifying anyone of her real intentions, which might have simply been to "get away" for a few days and clear her head.(When I was in college, I went to Miami a couple times without telling anyone -- just wanted to be alone and not be questioned by anyone.)
But the theory that the committed suicide or succumbed to the elements simply doesn't hold weight. A helicopter search the day after she vanished showed no footprints in the woods (no fresh snow had fallen overnight), and numerous human and dog searches have failed to turn up a body. Remember, it was very dark and very cold when she vanished. Police dogs traced her scent up to 100 yards from her car, then they lost her scent.
And the theory that she started a new life of her own free will also doesn't hold weight. She had no car, no money, and was in the middle of rural New Hampshire. How is she going to start a new life and create a new identity in post-9/11 America? How is she going to get a job or a place to live?
The only plausible explanation, as far as I can see, is that she got into someone else's car (either willingly or unwillingly) and then something happened. Who knows -- but she was young and attractive and vulnerable, and abductions happen every single day.
a few points.

and where do you suggest the abduction led? to rape? to murder? remember, a rapist is not so inclined by physical attraction; it is a crime of exerting power over another.

re starting a new life - yes, she was in NH, and possibly on her way to an unknown destination, and/or completing a "plan".
did she, or someone associated with her life, hit Vasi and she needed to run?
was she running with/parallel to someone on her way to a particular destination....beyond NH?
did she not have a relative in Canada?
etc., etc. all the same factors that annoy the poor Bump.

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ok
it wasnt meant to be a smart comment to you Snowy.. I use paragraphs when talking.. the bottom sentance was for some other stuff I read that I didnt want to waste a comment on..

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Wow. Well you have my respect. They don't give out silver stars or purple heart for nothing. For those that don't know, you can't get a silver star except for gallantry in combat. It is the third highest award that one can receive. And obviously the purple hearts represent wounds from combat with the enemy.
Let me thank you for your service. I was a NCO in charge of a scout squad/platoon in an infantry battalion so we have run in similar circles. Had worked with many rangers and SF guys in my battalion. I learned a lot from them. Great times, good people of course all of the people I associated with were mostly Nam vets, some Korean and even one WWII (CIB with two stars). You guys are the new generation.
Again, thanks for what you did. I hope the VA is treating you right since you have been discharged.
Bill
Thank you very much Bill!! & Yes it is very hard to obtain that medal.. I was wounded 3 times while pulling out a medic UF.. I would personally like to thank you for your service well before mine!! It was an honor to protect this country! The VA is treating me much better now, not that they didnt before, but we didnt have a local one, & had to drive over an hour & a half for services.. Nice to speak to a fellow serviceman.. Have a great day!
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it wasnt meant to be a smart comment to you Snowy.. I use paragraphs when talking.. the bottom sentance was for some other stuff I read that I didnt want to waste a comment on..
no need to complain or explain.
i just chime in when i feel like it; like anyone else.
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oh, wait! shall i use complete paragraphs? i'll warn you...they'd be very long.
Consider this

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did she not have a relative in Canada?
etc., etc. all the same factors that annoy the poor Bump.
Posted on JRs page
**UPDATE**
Just heard from Kate Dwyer (who, it turns out, is no relation to Helena Dwyer).

Got to be careful he's changed a few things. Has even taken entire posts off.
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Consider this wrote:
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**UPDATE**
Just heard from Kate Dwyer (who, it turns out, is no relation to Helena Dwyer).
Got to be careful he's changed a few things. Has even taken entire posts off.
interesting.
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amy researches wrote:
<quoted text>... If some time had passed between when she left the party and the accident, could you by any chance point me to a source for that? I hadn't heard that yet.
According to sources, she left the party about 2:30 AM

http://www.whitmanhansonexpress.com/index.php...

Per the Hadley Accident Report, the accident occurred at 3:33 AM.
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According to sources, she left the party about 2:30 AM
http://www.whitmanhansonexpress.com/index.php...
Per the Hadley Accident Report, the accident occurred at 3:33 AM.
The Hadley crash site is very close to UMass. There is an unaccounted for hour (or close to). Iīm beginning to think there could be some significance to it. Did she meet and talk to anyone? And, where exactly was the Saturn parked at the time of her leaving Amherst? Wasnīt there construction work going on at itīs usual designated parking spot?
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IMO I would think her close friends might know what she was scared of.. Most young ladies talk to their friends, maybe they would know many of her real fears (not at that moment)?? IDK..
& I see it said "Brockton" as your location! I have the "Brockton Blockbuster" Rocco Marchegiano, better known as Rocky Marciano, tattoed on my back, The KO Punch to Jersey Joe Walcott..
I have close friends but it does not mean I tell them everything. Iam a very private person. But it does not mean Iam hiding anything. It is just my personality.

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According to sources, she left the party about 2:30 AM
http://www.whitmanhansonexpress.com/index.php...
Per the Hadley Accident Report, the accident occurred at 3:33 AM.
Thanks, Advocate. I just read that article, too! Yeesh. I might be getting old at a young age.:-)
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Consider this wrote:
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Posted on JRs page
**UPDATE**
Just heard from Kate Dwyer (who, it turns out, is no relation to Helena Dwyer).
Got to be careful he's changed a few things. Has even taken entire posts off.
I have already stated in the past that Kate and Helena Dwyer are not related. Just because one has the same last name as another does not mean they are related. Is every Renner in the world related to James Renner no. You should ask yourself why is it a book writer puts things out to the public as if it is fact and then at a later date changes what he has said? Poor journalism as far as Iam concerned.
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Thanks, Advocate. I just read that article, too! Yeesh. I might be getting old at a young age.:-)
Not so, Amy, not so!:) The article is lengthy overall, and contains many details. I didn't remember where I had read it, just knew that I had.

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<quoted text>I have close friends but it does not mean I tell them everything. Iam a very private person. But it does not mean Iam hiding anything. It is just my personality.
I agree. I am an open book about most things, but I internalize. If I am stressed about something big, I don't run to my friends. It's dangerous to make assumptions about people, but it's human nature.

If I were to disappear right now, I hate to think what investigators might think of me. I do Google searches on all kinds of bizarre things related to my work. In the past few days, I've had to search for "ways to dispose of a body in winter" and "how to buy X drug in X location." I have made mistakes in my past. I've had money problems. I have a history of depression. I could keep going with this list...

I can understand why the family might not want certain aspects of Maura's past revealed to the public, because people do make these kinds of assumptions. I do hope authorities have thoroughly looked into all of this though, since you never know. If someone did harm her, it could be someone she knew. Someone she didn't tell anyone about.:-(
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There was some talk about a WP cadet living in Haverhill, NH. This (female) cadet apparently lived on French Pond Rd. She was some years older than Maura. Wonder if Maura knew her?

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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>I have already stated in the past that Kate and Helena Dwyer are not related. Just because one has the same last name as another does not mean they are related.
Kate ("Peri") was a contributor to the Chandra Levy website and then became involved on an MM forum just wanting to help out wherever she could. She lives in Nova Scotia, Canada and only by coincidence shares a last name.
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Kate ("Peri") was a contributor to the Chandra Levy website and then became involved on an MM forum just wanting to help out wherever she could. She lives in Nova Scotia, Canada and only by coincidence shares a last name.
we know all this.
how do you know it's a coincidence? are you related? lol

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<quoted text>we know all this. how do you know it's a coincidence? are you related? lol
Well, apparently we didn't "all" know this. Some believe there are no coincidences in life and that we're all somehow related.

Oh pleeease, say it ain't so!
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Snowy wrote:
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a few points.
and where do you suggest the abduction led? to rape? to murder? remember, a rapist is not so inclined by physical attraction; it is a crime of exerting power over another.
re starting a new life - yes, she was in NH, and possibly on her way to an unknown destination, and/or completing a "plan".
did she, or someone associated with her life, hit Vasi and she needed to run?
was she running with/parallel to someone on her way to a particular destination....beyond NH?
did she not have a relative in Canada?
etc., etc. all the same factors that annoy the poor Bump.
I have no idea where the abduction led (and obviously, I can't be certain that it occurred in the first place). After following this case for quite some time, I tend to think that she was picked up by a local and then something horrible happened to her (maybe in a certain A-frame house where cadaver dogs went bonkers, but where DNA evidence was inconclusive).

I definitely think that law enforcement knows WAY more than we do, and that they think it's a homicide, and that they have a clear idea of who did it -- but they don't yet have enough evidence to press charges.
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I agree. I am an open book about most things, but I internalize. If I am stressed about something big, I don't run to my friends. It's dangerous to make assumptions about people, but it's human nature.
If I were to disappear right now, I hate to think what investigators might think of me. I do Google searches on all kinds of bizarre things related to my work. In the past few days, I've had to search for "ways to dispose of a body in winter" and "how to buy X drug in X location." I have made mistakes in my past. I've had money problems. I have a history of depression. I could keep going with this list...
I can understand why the family might not want certain aspects of Maura's past revealed to the public, because people do make these kinds of assumptions. I do hope authorities have thoroughly looked into all of this though, since you never know. If someone did harm her, it could be someone she knew. Someone she didn't tell anyone about.:-(
i don't think most people care to know more than would be helpful. oftentimes, families immediately reveal to the public a history of depression or life circumstances that might relate to a disappearance.
how much is too much or too little is their call.
the most suspicious aspect of this mystery, imo, was concealing what eventually did become public knowledge. more facts and fewer myths could have been established.
in the end, nothing matters more than one good clue.

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