Maura Murray

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Not sure how much you know and have read. If she is out there, which is likely she would be bones only and scattered everywhere.
I assume you mean “wouldn’t be in a hole”. No she wouldn’t. If she was, she might be easier to find and there might be more evidence available then if she was in a hole.
So the question is where do you search? She might have been spotted 5 miles away. So do you start the search there or at the car? How far was she capable of traveling? She was an athletic girl, in good shape. If that wasn’t her on the road five miles away, let’s assume we want to search? If she got lost in the woods, either five miles from the car, or at the car. If a blind panic overcame her, how far would she travel. One mile, ten miles, twenty miles? Assume just five miles, that is almost 80 square miles to search. In that terrain. And what if we needed to start the search 5 miles down the road. Another 80 square mile search area. So, do you still think it would be a simple matter to find her? And the more interesting question is, could she have traveled ten or more miles, before exhaustion and hypothermia overtook her? Now we are trying to search over 300 square miles. The truth is she could be anywhere in that forest. Until she pops up, we are not going to have any answers to this.
Bill

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Laurieisgone wrote:

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and I might add why have any Persons of interest if the only thing she did was run from the car after the accident. LE has a person or persons of interest right? They're looking into things apparently. If it was so cut and dry why would they bother with all of this, still an active case right? Much easier for everyone involved to just say hey- it happens, accident, she ran, it was cold, she died. Period. That's not what is going on it seems. Maybe they don't share Bill's view of it.

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Someone just mentioned recently that if she had gone into the woods the scent for the dog would have been stronger, not sure where I just read that. It could have been here or Renner's site. There's a lot to read and sometimes it's easy to forget where you saw what. So the dog lost the scent. why?

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Which then brings us back to my original question. Do we know how far she would have to run to pick up cell service? That would lower the search area.

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Correct! And maybe they have worked with the canines before and trust if the scent was lost after 100 yards then the scent trial ended . Therefore they think she left via car.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Here is where people that are not too bright show how little they know. When a dog loses a scent. Did they lose the scent because it isn't there any more, or did they lose the scent because it was too dispersed (aged) for the dog to still track it?
Tell me EVERYTHING you know about dogs and tracking. After you sputter out some sentence fragments for the first five seconds of our listening we can then continue on with our discussion.
Bill

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Snowy wrote:

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obtuse

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Here is where people that are not too bright show how little they know. When a dog loses a scent. Did they lose the scent because it isn't there any more, or did they lose the scent because it was too dispersed (aged) for the dog to still track it?
Tell me EVERYTHING you know about dogs and tracking. After you sputter out some sentence fragments for the first five seconds of our listening we can then continue on with our discussion.
Bill

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The smallest, least complicated, least convoluted theory that explains the evidence is likely the answer.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Correct! And maybe they have worked with the canines before and trust if the scent was lost after 100 yards then the scent trial ended . Therefore they think she left via car.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Which then brings us back to my original question. Do we know how far she would have to run to pick up cell service? That would lower the search area.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

<quoted text> We are fairly certain that no pings were ever received from her cell phone after the accident, and for a fair amount of time before. If I am incorrect on this someone with better memory, correct me.
Bill

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Emmett Dove wrote:

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110% agreed!! Ive been saying this since ive been here but everyone ignores me on that part..:(
you start simple, stay simple, untill you can advance further.. The smallest most simplest thing "could" be part of an answer.. Like just for example.. I see the airbags came out, but hit her head on the windshield.. That means no seatbelt an estimated 89.3% of the time (safety studies, just google it).. So, was the windshield fully checked for any signs of a blood droplet or a piece of hair? DNA

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Frostman wrote:

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"WE", who are we? You and the phone company technician on the old MM forum -- the thread you were never officially part of? "Fairly certain" ... you know absolutely nothing, so spare us the sacrificial keystrokes.
As for memory, just about everyone here has a better memory, even JWB's dog, Patch. At least Patch knows how to Google and share links. Your memory -- selective at best.
Fairly certain it's time for your weekly pump out. Even after that, I'm certain it will be SSDD when it comes to your incessant and annoying windmilling.
Wishing you a speedy recovery,
Frosty

Emmett Dove wrote:

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Different styles of dogs.. In the case, that particular doggie & trainer, more less likely lost because of age.. Am I correct?

WTH-the-original wrote:

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The airbag is often the cause of damage to the windshield and it could be the cause of the damage here. That strike on the windshield is not characteristic of a head strike.
Bill

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To a degree, but more along the lines of if the dog was an air scent or tracking dog. And when I say age, I mean the age of the track, not the dog. Just to be sure I was clear.
Bill

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Emmett Dove wrote:

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110% agreed!! Ive been saying this since ive been here but everyone ignores me on that part..:(
you start simple, stay simple, untill you can advance further.. The smallest most simplest thing "could" be part of an answer

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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We - are the few people that have actually been looking at this case for eight years.

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Frostman wrote:

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As for memory, just about everyone here has a better memory, even JWB's dog, Patch. At least Patch knows how to Google and share links.