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amy researches wrote:

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Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Snowy. From what I have learned so far, here are my opinions:
Without knowing which areas were searched, by whom and when, it's impossible to determine the probability of her being in the woods. That would be my best guess for the following:
Statements made to keep records from being released to Maura's father, plus CCU involvement, lend me to believe that
1) foul play is suspected
and/or
2) LE doesn't want to be sued.
It's suspicious that Mr. Murray was initially denied even the most basic records, accident report for example, back when the case was still being handled as a missing person case. Lends me to believe that
1) foul play was suspected earlier on than publicly admitted
and/or
2) LE doesn't want to be sued.
LE refusing help from FBI lends me to believe that
1) they have more answers than they are letting on, but are waiting for a solid piece of evidence to bring the case
or
2) LE doesn't want to be sued.
When I say maybe LE doesn't want to be sued, I don't imply they intentionally did anything wrong. My understanding is that it's a small department, probably not used to handling situations of this nature, and they did the best they could at that time. Hindsight is 20/20, and everything I've read leads me to believe that even family members initially believed Maura fled the scene on her own. While everyone expected her to turn up, not handling certain items such as her car, laptop, etc, as evidence COULD HAVE compromised the investigation. Not accusing, just a possibility.
I agree that her past behavior and the planning could be relevant. If she was meeting someone, someone no one else knew about, that would be a strong POI. It makes sense that such a person's existence would not be released to the public or even to family.
If there was no such person, and she ran into some very coincidental bad luck, then her past behavior and planning would be irrelevant. Unlikely, but still a possibility.
Just windmilling. Woooosh.:-)

Desenrascanco wrote:

Just so everyone knows.. This is me, Emmett.. Desenrascanco translates to : A fresh start from a bad one.

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Frostman wrote:

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Ahha... tried to find Desenrascanco on the Google map but it did not compute!

Captain Jack wrote:

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You just said it "hindsight is 20/20. Perhaps she was not anticipating the unexpected.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Yep, all the unknowns and possibilities.
Respect. An interesting word. That is what gets generated when people take the time to research and reason and back up their work, instead of throwing out their first most fanciful guesses.
I would love to see the areas that were searched and the thinking of why there were searched and how extensively. All very important things I wish we could know that has been lacking.
And no. No one takes it personally when it is the theory that is being talked about because you are searching for the truth. Getting to it requires honest gathering of the facts. That doesn't involve personalities or stories.
And yes, you also have my respect.
Bill

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You just said it "hindsight is 20/20. Perhaps she was not anticipating the unexpected.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I'll just touch on this part. People in water have a very nasty habit, of ALWAYS bobbing to the surface. ALWAYS. Water is likely the absolute worst way to dispose of a body. Ask Peterson. He had an entire bay and he couldn't get it right. Both his wife and unborn son came back to shore, not just bobbed to the surface, they landed on shore. I mean, how lucky is this guy. He disposes of one body, and two come back on shore.
The rest is interesting but no one noticed all the friends missing from school at the same time? Why did they convoy up there? No one looked at the email address that the death in the family email came from? Am I the only one that thinks that this is a real stretch? Again, aren't there much easier ways to have Maura winding up at the corner with a crashed car? Than the pin stealing, kidnapping, fake emailing scenario?
I'm trying to do this in the nicest way possible without mentioning my hero, you know who.
Agree/Disagree???
Bill

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amy researches wrote:

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Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Snowy. From what I have learned so far, here are my opinions:
Without knowing which areas were searched, by whom and when, it's impossible to determine the probability of her being in the woods. That would be my best guess for the following:
Statements made to keep records from being released to Maura's father, plus CCU involvement, lend me to believe that
1) foul play is suspected
and/or
2) LE doesn't want to be sued.
It's suspicious that Mr. Murray was initially denied even the most basic records, accident report for example, back when the case was still being handled as a missing person case. Lends me to believe that
1) foul play was suspected earlier on than publicly admitted
and/or
2) LE doesn't want to be sued.
LE refusing help from FBI lends me to believe that
1) they have more answers than they are letting on, but are waiting for a solid piece of evidence to bring the case
or
2) LE doesn't want to be sued.
When I say maybe LE doesn't want to be sued, I don't imply they intentionally did anything wrong. My understanding is that it's a small department, probably not used to handling situations of this nature, and they did the best they could at that time. Hindsight is 20/20, and everything I've read leads me to believe that even family members initially believed Maura fled the scene on her own. While everyone expected her to turn up, not handling certain items such as her car, laptop, etc, as evidence COULD HAVE compromised the investigation. Not accusing, just a possibility.
I agree that her past behavior and the planning could be relevant. If she was meeting someone, someone no one else knew about, that would be a strong POI. It makes sense that such a person's existence would not be released to the public or even to family.
If there was no such person, and she ran into some very coincidental bad luck, then her past behavior and planning would be irrelevant. Unlikely, but still a possibility.
Just windmilling. Woooosh.:-)

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Snowy wrote:

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and might there be questions about the father's initial responses to authorities that would cause them to withhold certain documents from him?

Snowy wrote:

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am i mistaken? i've never heard you express doubt about the extent to which, and the expense at which authorities devoted resources to search for MM.

amy researches wrote:

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I do question that, yes. I've never seen FOIA denied because "this guy is a pain in our behind." Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just that I have never seen it. It's not an area where I have much experience, frankly, and I'm not a lawyer. My personal opinion is there would need to be a strong reason to withhold it from him, but I can't back that up with definitive proof.
Did you by any chance watch the video of the hearing in front of the New Hampshire Supreme Court?

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If two students decided to confront MM because of, say, the CC incident and things got out of control in a single dorm room (an over-spiked drink) they would need to get rid of the evidence. In this scenario, I'm NOT suggesting that MM was close friends with them.

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amy researches wrote:

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I do question that, yes. I've never seen FOIA denied because "this guy is a pain in our behind." Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just that I have never seen it. It's not an area where I have much experience, frankly, and I'm not a lawyer. My personal opinion is there would need to be a strong reason to withhold it from him, but I can't back that up with definitive proof.
Did you by any chance watch the video of the hearing in front of the New Hampshire Supreme Court?

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Wowzer. I didn't know that. Did you hear the earlier reported crash report on the scanner? Just curious. I use to believe that might have happened but I find it unlikely because of the lack of documentation that should be there. Can you explicitly state there was none? Or maybe you weren't near the scanner at that time?
Very interested in hearing what you have to say about this.
Bill

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Not sure what you are asking snowy.
I don't doubt that they did everything correct that night knowing what they knew. I also don't think that they need any help then or now at this point including the FBI and if they did, they would ask.
Bill

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I heard the scanner call for her car off the road. It was no big deal and normally I wouldn't have paid attention but this was very near to me so it caught my interest.I've mentioned it before but I guess no one paid attention or missed it.
I did not hear any other call for this area or any other call for a car off the road. Many times I confronted Anne with the fact that she seemed to be the only one in the North Country that heard it.
Also if there was such a call it would at least been on the dispatch report.JMHO

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Snowy wrote:

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i may not be expressing myself clearly.
amy states:
"Without knowing which areas were searched, by whom and when, it's impossible to determine the probability of her being in the woods."
WTH/Bill replies:
"I would love to see the areas that were searched and the thinking of why there were searched and how extensively. All very important things I wish we could know that has been lacking."
if i am not mistaken, i thought you felt confident the searches were adequate to excellent.

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Frostman wrote:

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UMass is a large university, not junior kindergarden; there's no roll call and nobody would miss a few college kids for a day or two. If something went wrong with a college dorm "prank", the perps might want to make it look like a Walk Away... far away I should think. Perhaps the car accident interrupted a hastily hatched plan? Unfrozen water, cement, it's anyone's guess.
Who's your hero, Genghis Khan?

mcsmom wrote:

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Assuming you are saying this was Monaghan?