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WTH-the-original wrote:

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I just want to ask why people think this matters. It can't stall a car. It can't be used to commit suicide. We do not know how long that rag was there. The cleanliness has no meaning in determining how long the rag was there. So other then the mental masturbation involved, why even talk about it or be concerned with it? There were comments that Fred had told Maura to do this "to keep the car from smoking" whatever the hell that means since it wouldn't do that and Fred, I suspect being somewhat tech savvy, it doesn't sounds like he would make a stupid statement like that. It might have been some misinterpretation of a statement he made from someone else, not him.
I am serious, why does anyone think this is important?
Bill

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Advocate wrote:

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I have a set of the Grafton Co Sheriff's Logs covering that time period, there are 33 pages to it so it begins prior to the entries pertaining to Maura's accident on the Weathered Barn curve, and goes on into Feb 10th.
There is a gap in time on the log for Feb 9th between what appears to be 16:57 (4:57 PM) and what appears to be 18:08 (6:08 PM). I say "appears to be" because the time numbers are blurry, but it the hour numbers of 16 and 18 are clear. So that is about a gap of an hour, Bill.
Furthermore, these are pages 18 and 19 of the log. There is a blank space on page 18 after the time of 16:57. The blank space is an inch and a half tall. The first entry pertaining to Maura's accident appears on page 18 after this gap, and then is repeated as the second entry on page 19. I don't find other entries in the log repeated as this one is.
So it appears to me that at least one entry on the log between about 5 PM and 6 PM on that day has been removed, and possibly that there was some cut-and-paste done between the pages 18 and 19 trying to hide the gap.
Now ... I'm not saying I have the definitive copy of the log, but it does seem that the copy I have is incomplete.

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Brilliant Brian wrote:

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If you need a link I can probably show you several. The menstrual blood thing has been repeated ad nauseum, as has the Bonkers thing.

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Bumping for Maura wrote:

Isn´t it conceivably possible that a theoretical perp might have subdued Maura with an ether-soaked rag and then shoved it into the tailpipe of the Saturn?
Perhaps just in order to muddy the waters and create confusion after the fact?
I don´t think that the likelihood of this scenario having happened is, in fact, very high, but let´s explore all possibilities here without the fear of being ridiculed for throwing out various theories...

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Advocate wrote:

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I have a set of the Grafton Co Sheriff's Logs covering that time period, there are 33 pages to it so it begins prior to the entries pertaining to Maura's accident on the Weathered Barn curve, and goes on into Feb 10th.
There is a gap in time on the log for Feb 9th between what appears to be 16:57 (4:57 PM) and what appears to be 18:08 (6:08 PM). I say "appears to be" because the time numbers are blurry, but it the hour numbers of 16 and 18 are clear. So that is about a gap of an hour, Bill.
Furthermore, these are pages 18 and 19 of the log. There is a blank space on page 18 after the time of 16:57. The blank space is an inch and a half tall. The first entry pertaining to Maura's accident appears on page 18 after this gap, and then is repeated as the second entry on page 19. I don't find other entries in the log repeated as this one is.
So it appears to me that at least one entry on the log between about 5 PM and 6 PM on that day has been removed, and possibly that there was some cut-and-paste done between the pages 18 and 19 trying to hide the gap.
Now ... I'm not saying I have the definitive copy of the log, but it does seem that the copy I have is incomplete.

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Bumping for Maura wrote:

Isn´t it conceivably possible that a theoretical perp might have subdued Maura with an ether-soaked rag and then shoved it into the tailpipe of the Saturn?
Perhaps just in order to muddy the waters and create confusion after the fact?
I don´t think that the likelihood of this scenario having happened is, in fact, very high, but let´s explore all possibilities here without the fear of being ridiculed for throwing out various theories...

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>The log that you have is the one that I and several others had recieved one weekend while searching for Maura from the Grafton sheriffs department. The print date was 11/04/04 for the night of Feb 9, 2004 to Feb, 10,2004. You are correct that there is a gap in this printed copy for a specific time frame. Fred filed the right to know law. A copy of this log went to the courts dated for the night of Feb9,2004. There is no gap in this log. The info on these 2 logs differ from one another. The info dated to the courts from Feb 9 has more info on it and there was something about another officer that was not on this log. The copy I recieved had less info on it but there was a sentence on it concerning another officer. There are 2 logs for the night that Maura disappeared tha have different info on them.

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hannah_b wrote:

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Fred M said the rag came from Maura´s emergency kit. How would a perp a) know it was there and b) get it from there and why would a perp not want to take this piece of evidence with him?

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>The log that you have is the one that I and several others had recieved one weekend while searching for Maura from the Grafton sheriffs department. The print date was 11/04/04 for the night of Feb 9, 2004 to Feb, 10,2004. You are correct that there is a gap in this printed copy for a specific time frame. Fred filed the right to know law. A copy of this log went to the courts dated for the night of Feb9,2004. There is no gap in this log. The info on these 2 logs differ from one another. The info dated to the courts from Feb 9 has more info on it and there was something about another officer that was not on this log. The copy I recieved had less info on it but there was a sentence on it concerning another officer. There are 2 logs for the night that Maura disappeared tha have different info on them.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>The log that you have is the one that I and several others had recieved one weekend while searching for Maura from the Grafton sheriffs department. The print date was 11/04/04 for the night of Feb 9, 2004 to Feb, 10,2004. You are correct that there is a gap in this printed copy for a specific time frame. Fred filed the right to know law. A copy of this log went to the courts dated for the night of Feb9,2004. There is no gap in this log. The info on these 2 logs differ from one another. The info dated to the courts from Feb 9 has more info on it and there was something about another officer that was not on this log. The copy I recieved had less info on it but there was a sentence on it concerning another officer. There are 2 logs for the night that Maura disappeared tha have different info on them.

amy researches wrote:

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I haven't been here long, but I've learned a few things from your posts. You've helped me make sense of some of the history of these forums, so thank you for that. It's confusing coming in here as a new poster, not understanding the backstory and why so many are so angry. I have had a lot of questions over the past couple of weeks and I am appreciative of the people who have taken time to clear up some of it. Thank you again.

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Desenrascanco wrote:

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Thank you for the answers to my question.. I dont know if you are family or not, but either way Im sorry for the loss :( I hope what I said may have helped you to better understand, but I got flamed & targeted just for giving you insight on how she could have gotten access to private matters.. It seems that no matter what, I cant win for losing on this forum & I really dont understand why..
I am not le, pi, ems, fd, lawyer, anything at all that pertains to this case. I have never in my life stepped foot in MA or NH.. I have gave several people my telephone number, but I get accused of stuff by anon people for just trying to have a friendly discussion..
I kinda actually wished ida neva answered..:(

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Just me--paris wrote:

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You are very welcome. I'm willing to help and can't stress that enough. Anything, if I can answer for you, I will.
Hi Anne, long time, no see.
Off now to read the days worth.....and part of that new forum people are talking about. I found it!

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hannah_b wrote:

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Fred M said the rag came from Maura´s emergency kit. How would a perp a) know it was there and b) get it from there and why would a perp not want to take this piece of evidence with him?

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Just me--paris wrote:

To be clear. Two people who were at command central in 2006, came back with that on their minds. One of them was Silkyboxerz who was working the MMM forum and the case. She would have been the first to tell Shack, I'm betting my average here. Then Weeper, if he didn't share that info with all, he did later, on a public forum

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Brilliant Brian wrote:

Wow, going back over that GCS log...I know there are probably some mis-statements, things paraphrased and whatnot. But SBD wife says her husband "saw the crash?" Only sticks out to me because in my mind I have never been able to absolve SBD 100%. Just thinking out-loud. Probably a no-no, so completely ignore if so desired. I am sure his driving record was pristine.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Who told you the rag was white? Not saying you are right or wrong. I don't remember ever hearing a color. Or is this more feature creep?
Bill

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Desenrascanco wrote:

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Your very welcome, Im a happy that I could contribute in some way that may be helpful to others in this case! It makes me feel good about myself, & sometimes "in my mind & heart" hopes that I can do good things to make up for the bad..
This might sound stupid, but who is Helena? & Why in the world would she let people that werent LE, read private messages from PI & quite possible LE? Would that "Hinder" the investigation by giving out knowledge to people that might would compromise the case? That sounds like something I might would have done as a young man, just so I could "take justice in my own hands", & older people should know better..
If locals dont mind me asking.. Is this what helped cause this "witch-hunt" up here? If so, to be totally honest, the "mental anquish" that was caused by the reading of private messages, & knowing names of POI's, is higly illegal, & could be proven under certain laws because in a case where someone is missing & presumed met with foul play, the servers are kept & stored & could always be suppoenaed (spelling)...
To be quite Frank... I think that the use & mis-use of all that private information probably compromised much in this case, & they have no one to blame but said people mentioned..

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>The log that you have is the one that I and several others had recieved one weekend while searching for Maura from the Grafton sheriffs department. The print date was 11/04/04 for the night of Feb 9, 2004 to Feb, 10,2004. You are correct that there is a gap in this printed copy for a specific time frame. Fred filed the right to know law. A copy of this log went to the courts dated for the night of Feb9,2004. There is no gap in this log. The info on these 2 logs differ from one another. The info dated to the courts from Feb 9 has more info on it and there was something about another officer that was not on this log. The copy I recieved had less info on it but there was a sentence on it concerning another officer. There are 2 logs for the night that Maura disappeared tha have different info on them.