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Just me--paris wrote:
<quoted text>Beth told me it was white. and b/c of the areas that were still white, that it had to have been put in right there at the crashsite.
And Anne, that's the problem with things Beth did at times. She took credit for things she was getting unsecured access to. She claimed that Helena would tell her when to throw out little tid bits.
I understand and knew that, it is unfortunate the admin. of the site knew that late.
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Just me--paris wrote:
<quoted text>Beth told me it was white. and b/c of the areas that were still white, that it had to have been put in right there at the crashsite.
And Anne, that's the problem with things Beth did at times. She took credit for things she was getting unsecured access to. She claimed that Helena would tell her when to throw out little tid bits.
Please remember connections at that time...I believe I know admin. well enough to say that Beth was giving you somewhat a line of bs.

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Mar 2, 2012
 
Frostman wrote:
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Perhaps SBD's wife meant that he had observed the crash site?
If he saw the crash that would be an entirely different ball game.
(Yes, thinking out-loud and asking honest, objective questions will land you in a lot of do-do on this forum.)
Agree x 3.
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Brilliant Brian wrote:
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Citigirl,
Could/would you please confirm if the one on Renner's site is the one you received or the one sent to the courts? I only ask because Renner also has posted the FOIA forms Fred sent in - but the GCS log also appears to have the same gap. I would think he has the most up-to-date one. Or, was the one sent to the court, the one with more information on it - never made public? Just trying to get to the bottom of the 7:03 discrepancy. It could be important.
Thank you.
Brian, I'm not responding for Citigirl, but want to say that the copy that I have does not appear to be the exact same as what Renner has posted on his site. For example, at the bottom of his Page 3, right below the info about tow to Lavoie's Auto Care Center, you will see part of some capital letters followed by two other figures. On MY copy, the capital letters and figures are RTK-61. On Renner's, the capital letters are probably RTK but no way is the number 61 as it is on my copy. On his the number looks like 40.

I don't know what RTK and the numbers are for, but they are different on his from what I have.

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Advocate wrote:
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I have a set of the Grafton Co Sheriff's Logs covering that time period, there are 33 pages to it so it begins prior to the entries pertaining to Maura's accident on the Weathered Barn curve, and goes on into Feb 10th.
There is a gap in time on the log for Feb 9th between what appears to be 16:57 (4:57 PM) and what appears to be 18:08 (6:08 PM). I say "appears to be" because the time numbers are blurry, but it the hour numbers of 16 and 18 are clear. So that is about a gap of an hour, Bill.
Furthermore, these are pages 18 and 19 of the log. There is a blank space on page 18 after the time of 16:57. The blank space is an inch and a half tall. The first entry pertaining to Maura's accident appears on page 18 after this gap, and then is repeated as the second entry on page 19. I don't find other entries in the log repeated as this one is.
So it appears to me that at least one entry on the log between about 5 PM and 6 PM on that day has been removed, and possibly that there was some cut-and-paste done between the pages 18 and 19 trying to hide the gap.
Now ... I'm not saying I have the definitive copy of the log, but it does seem that the copy I have is incomplete.
Advocate did you send for these logs yourself?
Do you remember who the person was that originally sent for them and said they would make copies and share? It was quite some time ago.
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Mar 2, 2012
 
Bumping for Maura wrote:
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citigirl,
Another response here referencing the last sentence in your post, where you state that there are 2 logs for the night of Maura´s disappearance that have different info on them.
Could you please elaborate somewhat?
If your information is correct, why on earth would there be 2 different logs around with different information???
Many thanks!
I have responded to your previous post but it will not go through.
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Bumping for Maura wrote:
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citigirl,
Very interesting and the first I´ve ever read about the info regarding another officer on the scene.
Could you possibly let us know whether the sentence concerning another officer referenced a local officer (Haverhill PD or Grafton County Sheriff´s Dept) or a NHSP Officer.
Thank you.
It was a Haverhill officer. Not sure if it was an officer on the scene.
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Bumping for Maura wrote:
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hannah,
I´m not absolutely convinced that the rag actually came from Maura´s emergency kit.
As for your question No.2, I´d say that perhaps a theoretical perp just wanted to muddy the waters and create confusion, perhaps even with the idea that people would come to think that Maura herself put the rag in the tailpipe.
Why would Fred M say it came from the emergency kit if it didn´t? Did he lie or was he mistaken? Why would he say so if he wasn´t sure?
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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry Just me--paris not sure where you got your info from but you are incorrect. The PIs were in command and working on this case no one else. They met amongst themselves and had a plan of what areas would be searched before this Oct. search even took place.I was present at the Oct.2006 search.
Yes citigirl, I was present also and we were not appraised of anything that weekend, we were seperated and frustrated for sure.

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Advocate wrote:
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Brian, I'm not responding for Citigirl, but want to say that the copy that I have does not appear to be the exact same as what Renner has posted on his site. For example, at the bottom of his Page 3, right below the info about tow to Lavoie's Auto Care Center, you will see part of some capital letters followed by two other figures. On MY copy, the capital letters and figures are RTK-61. On Renner's, the capital letters are probably RTK but no way is the number 61 as it is on my copy. On his the number looks like 40.
I don't know what RTK and the numbers are for, but they are different on his from what I have.
Interesting. I'm assuming it means Right To Know and are numbered by the bureaucracy. Wonder ho many details are different.

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whiston wrote:
Hi Bill, I have read before that there are at least 2 versions of the police logs being released.I am just trying to get an idea of how a normal call might be.I have read EMS was told to stay away from the saturn and now I may know why.Thanks .take care philip
Whiston the accident happened between two blind curves. One curve at the barn and the other just beyong BHR.The fire trucks and EMS would have been in a dangerous position not only to themselves but also anyone driving in that area.
There was no patient and no rescue was needed so why keep everyone in such a dangerous spot. Sending them back was the smartest thing to do for everyone's safety.JMO

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I don't know what RTK and the numbers are for, but they are different on his from what I have.
That sounds like a bates stamp. Right?
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Mar 2, 2012
 
Hi all I have assumed that the RTK numbers are the Right To Know numbers that are used to keep track of which copies go to which request and how manyTAKE CARE PHILIP.

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Anne wrote:
<quoted text>Hi I've followed, but gave myself a long break. How about you?
Oh yes, I spend time away too and then catching up is difficult. A couple of long illnesses with loved ones and then their death and arrangements. My son had his first Seisure,(ms) in my arms, thank God, the other day. So I suspect I won't be spending much time with these things I like to do with my free time. Thinking about moving back home too, to care for him there.
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Anne wrote:
<quoted text>Yes citigirl, I was present also and we were not appraised of anything that weekend, we were seperated and frustrated for sure.
Yes...I agree..!

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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry Just me--paris not sure where you got your info from but you are incorrect. The PIs were in command and working on this case no one else. They met amongst themselves and had a plan of what areas would be searched before this Oct. search even took place.I was present at the Oct.2006 search.
Sorry Citygirl, but you are incorrect as well. I'm guessing you want to avoid this part, so i will drop it for your sake. But Beth and Frank are/were FRIENDS, and they DID share. Sorry to be the one to tell you. And I mean that.

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Anne wrote:
<quoted text>I understand and knew that, it is unfortunate the admin. of the site knew that late.
Thank you, yes, and that's when she threw in the towel and mved here, to MN

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If anyone is interested, there are some decent photos regarding the case here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/65640533 @N07/

Not sure who took them. I wish there were more photos from near the accident scene, especially the road/woods. Anyone know of any similar photos?
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Just me--paris wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry Citygirl, but you are incorrect as well. I'm guessing you want to avoid this part, so i will drop it for your sake. But Beth and Frank are/were FRIENDS, and they DID share. Sorry to be the one to tell you. And I mean that.
Paris, She may have stated things to you which were meant to gain your attention and to make herself look important, I saw this trait in her myself. Give it some thought.

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Just me--paris wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry Citygirl, but you are incorrect as well. I'm guessing you want to avoid this part, so i will drop it for your sake. But Beth and Frank are/were FRIENDS, and they DID share. Sorry to be the one to tell you. And I mean that.
Friends with Ralph too. But now worries, she was tight lipped and I didn't ask her much of anything.

Yes, Beth did feed on the attention, so BS is BS while in NH and working the case with insider knowledge. But when here, she didn't really want to talk much. But she did talk about going into the A frame, maybe not that day, but she went and took pictures, that's why I wanted her camera so bad, but alas the parents tssed most everything. Maybe contacting them would bring it all back for investigators.

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