Maura Murray

Brilliant Brian wrote:

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So, a) How do you know? and b) What was the sensitive information? and c) Could you show us, please?

a) Interviews with LE and first responders, plus it was in the newspapers as reported by LE.

b) Sensitive info is what is missing/redacted.

c) No I can not.

John

Hey columbo did the chief really say that at the beginning?
I've been following this case since day 1 and I've
Never seen that in print or anywhere.
Can you please give us a link or even just the name of the newspaper that he said this in?
If that's true that he really said that then that's a huge development.
Please don't just let this become another thing your gonna say over and over again as if it's a fact and then never tell us anything to back it up.
Seriously, if he said that at the beginning then this could have a major implication about the case and really lend creadance to the reports of an earlier accident and give a reason for the blank spot in the logs from that night.
I'm not saying that your just making this up but you r gonna have to start providing some sort of source to back up this claim or otherwise there's no reason to not think your making this shit up, which would be really really fucked up considering the topic we r talking about.
This should b super easy considering u r talking about something that was in the media.
I even went back and read a few early articles and see nothing to indicate what you r saying to b the case

amy researches wrote:

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If I remember correctly she stated on either Websleuths or here that she is a 3L and a paralegal, and that she works for the county. I doubt she would lie about it, since we live near one another and I could easily look her up. I have not done so, just taking her at her word.

thank you; no problem. no need to research.:)
well, can't say the person is exhibiting professional demeanor.

Det Columbo wrote:

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a) Interviews with LE and first responders, plus it was in the newspapers as reported by LE.
b) Sensitive info is what is missing/redacted.
c) No I can not.
John

No you can't show us??!! R u fkn serious dude??!!
So your just making this shit up? Wtf is wrong with you??
Do u not realize we r talking about a missing person here?

What newspaper published that info?
If u can't at least provide that then I think everyone on here can safely assume that your just completely full of shit.

I was willing to give u the benefit of the doubt for a while but it's looking more and more like bill is totally correct about you.
One has to wonder what your agenda is here

Just odd, because the EARLIEST article I can find is this one: http://www.wptz.com/r/2850812/detail.html ; it, in fact, says 7:30pm-8:00pm. I have never seen one that said 7:00pm. I would love to see it. It is a whole new ball game, really, if it happened that early.

Find it hard to believe LE would essentially be saying, "Yeah, it happened at 7:03pm, but we're throwing everyone off with the logs that say 7:27pm." Isn't that what they would really be saying?

Another glaring problem with the accident report, well 2 actually:

1- she did NOT hit a tree! Look at the damage, anyone with the slightest bit of critical thinking ability can tell that much.

2- the drawing on the back is totally wrong. She did not spin out after the corner. She was having problems before the corner and Sheared the snowbank on the left (inside) of the corner.

How cam there be so many problems/inconsistentencies in one accident report?

Combine that with the problems with the police log, & the fact that smith lied to the family about knowing it was Maura driving the car that night and there's some serious problems going on here.

I'm not saying I think a member of LE was responsible for what happened to Maura but they sure do have a lot of inconsitencies in their statement/actions.
I'm sorry but if it was a private citizen who had this many inconsistencies in their statements LE would certainly think they were a potential suspect.
Clearly something weird was going on that night.
Was it a full moon or something?
Seriously, wtf was going on over there that night??

OK so lets assume for a second that the 7:03 time frame is real....how did the accident get reported ? it would've either been by radio or a residential phone. At that time, the only cell phones that worked along 112 were the ones associated with the Onstar technology.

Looking4AMoose wrote:

OK so lets assume for a second that the 7:03 time frame is real....how did the accident get reported ? it would've either been by radio or a residential phone. At that time, the only cell phones that worked along 112 were the ones associated with the Onstar technology.

Or radioed in from a cruiser?

Was the chief an active DUI driver around that time?What date/year was he arrested for drunk driving?

is it possible SBD saw someone or something that night?Was SBD threatened by or scared of this person?i think i recall someone from cottage Hospital passing by&seeing a dark vehicle nose to nose with Mauras car.Who was it?

I'll try to help here. I recall CS saying it took him10-20 minutes to get to the scene of the crash. That's vague, right?
At first a W-Man thought they not only saw a person smoking, but that it was a man smoking.
Somehow CS already knew about that rag stuffed up there. He went to the W-Mans, so many, many family and forumers have stated such. Not to forget the newspeople, they reported this too.
But you're right Jenkins. When Maura's family went in, CS and others said they thought that Fred had been driving and just left his car like that to go snowmobiling like many others have done.
Makes little sense. They were already worried about the windshield and a possible head injury. Already had heard from Barbara that she had no idea where the girl was. Maybe conflicting reports between the two separate callers? One saying "girl", the other saying man. Because it did say so in the logs.
A side note. Just prior to all this people were stopped for operating their snowmobile with the headlights OFF. The passenger,(Maura)? had no helmet on, the driver got a citation. Just wondering out loud here if that could be one way to get away, hop on a snowmobile and drive off with the lights dim.
Problem is, someone was seen at the trunk of the car and even though some say it was too far for the W-Mns to see, it's believed that a woman, and Maura to be exact, was at the trunk of her car 1-2 minutes b4 police came driving up. Supposedly too is that the woman of that house said" She was just there 1-2 minutes b4 you pulled up", so I tend to think CS really did go to the first callers house, first.
It took Butch 10-15 minutes I thought to get through as all lines were busy. His x wife had to take the call because he was out on his bus doing paperwork and waiting to talk with the officer. I know he helped look for Maura, even going to a nearby coffee house. Funny they might think she could hoof it that far in such a small timeframe.

Something that always sticks in my head is one of the neighbors hearing a car accelerating AFTER the thump.Was Mauras car stuck&she tried to get unstuck?was someone leaving in a hurry?Was someone pushing her stalled car after pushing her into the inside of the curve?Road rage may have begun further back at 7:03ish.

Boston wrote:

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Or radioed in from a cruiser?

Right. So then she leaves in a private vehicle (per the reported scanner transmission), then spins out at the Weathered Barn....and somehow disappears without anyone seeing a vehicle pull up. Still thinking she was following the red truck...hit the Resse hitch on the truck causing the damage..they proceed along...she spins out...red truck realizes she isn't right behind him so turns around to find her...she gets in and disappears. Yeah too simple, I know.

A nearby coffeehouse?

amy researches wrote:

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I don't know if anyone thinks it was altered, so much as parts redacted. With your legal experience, I'm sure you know the difference.

I do. But that's my question - do people think it was redacted (imo, very likely) or altered (not likely, imo)? I think Brian kinda answered it as well.

Boston wrote:

is it possible SBD saw someone or something that night?Was SBD threatened by or scared of this person?i think i recall someone from cottage Hospital passing by&seeing a dark vehicle nose to nose with Mauras car.Who was it?

Boston,
Absolutely correct observation.
There was a witness driving home on 112 east from his/her job at the Cottage Hospital in Woodsville, who apparently said that he/she passed Maura´s crashed Saturn at the WB curve with a police cruiser parked nose to nose to it.
What´s interesting here is that the witness states that he/she passed the Saturn considerably earlier than the official reports are stating and still observed a LE cruiser at the Saturn, which according to the official logs was never there at the time in question.
Also, I have never seen any information regarding whether this police cruiser belonged to Haverhill PD, Grafton County Sheriff´s Dept or NHSP.
Possibly NHSP trooper JKM might have stopped at the accident spot at the time of the Cottage Hospital witness passing by, but it has never been fully clarified whether JKM was driving his offical cruiser or his private vehicle at the time.
As far as I know, no public information has ever been made available regarding JKM´s movements timewise that night.
Another poster here, Advocate IIRC, stated earlier tonight that Haverhill PD Officer Byron Charles apparently was at the scene as well at some point as well as the officially responding officer Cecil Smith of Haverhill PD.
All extremely confusing and, frankly, somewhat strange.

amy researches wrote:

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If I remember correctly she stated on either Websleuths or here that she is a 3L and a paralegal, and that she works for the county. I doubt she would lie about it, since we live near one another and I could easily look her up. I have not done so, just taking her at her word.

Feel free to, however. And - I'm verified on Websleuths as well. And they really do verify over there.

Sorry, Snowy.

Snowy wrote:

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thank you; no problem. no need to research.:)
well, can't say the person is exhibiting professional demeanor.

Approximately how many more nasty little jibes would you like to get in, before you get over it, and stop derailing the thread? Thanks in advance.

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Back to the constructive discussion you guys were havin'....

Bumping for Maura wrote:

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Boston,
Absolutely correct observation.
There was a witness driving home on 112 east from his/her job at the Cottage Hospital in Woodsville, who apparently said that he/she passed Maura´s crashed Saturn at the WB curve with a police cruiser parked nose to nose to it.
What´s interesting here is that the witness states that he/she passed the Saturn considerably earlier than the official reports are stating and still observed a LE cruiser at the Saturn, which according to the official logs was never there at the time in question.
Also, I have never seen any information regarding whether this police cruiser belonged to Haverhill PD, Grafton County Sheriff´s Dept or NHSP.
Possibly NHSP trooper JKM might have stopped at the accident spot at the time of the Cottage Hospital witness passing by, but it has never been fully clarified whether JKM was driving his offical cruiser or his private vehicle at the time.
As far as I know, no public information has ever been made available regarding JKM´s movements timewise that night.
Another poster here, Advocate IIRC, stated earlier tonight that Haverhill PD Officer Byron Charles apparently was at the scene as well at some point as well as the officially responding officer Cecil Smith of Haverhill PD.
All extremely confusing and, frankly, somewhat strange.

As I recall,the cottage hospital employee passed by prior to 7:15?Correct?

Bumping for Maura wrote:

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Boston,
Absolutely correct observation.
There was a witness driving home on 112 east from his/her job at the Cottage Hospital in Woodsville, who apparently said that he/she passed Maura´s crashed Saturn at the WB curve with a police cruiser parked nose to nose to it.
What´s interesting here is that the witness states that he/she passed the Saturn considerably earlier than the official reports are stating and still observed a LE cruiser at the Saturn, which according to the official logs was never there at the time in question.
Also, I have never seen any information regarding whether this police cruiser belonged to Haverhill PD, Grafton County Sheriff´s Dept or NHSP.
Possibly NHSP trooper JKM might have stopped at the accident spot at the time of the Cottage Hospital witness passing by, but it has never been fully clarified whether JKM was driving his offical cruiser or his private vehicle at the time.
As far as I know, no public information has ever been made available regarding JKM´s movements timewise that night.
Another poster here, Advocate IIRC, stated earlier tonight that Haverhill PD Officer Byron Charles apparently was at the scene as well at some point as well as the officially responding officer Cecil Smith of Haverhill PD.
All extremely confusing and, frankly, somewhat strange.

could that be the first crash?