Maura Murray

Looking4AMoose wrote:

OK so lets assume for a second that the 7:03 time frame is real....how did the accident get reported ? it would've either been by radio or a residential phone. At that time, the only cell phones that worked along 112 were the ones associated with the Onstar technology.

That's valuable information - I was aware that cell's didn't work, but not aware that those w/ Onstar DID. Thank you!

Just me--paris wrote:

I'll try to help here. I recall CS saying it took him10-20 minutes to get to the scene of the crash. That's vague, right?
At first a W-Man thought they not only saw a person smoking, but that it was a man smoking.
Somehow CS already knew about that rag stuffed up there. He went to the W-Mans, so many, many family and forumers have stated such. Not to forget the newspeople, they reported this too.
But you're right Jenkins. When Maura's family went in, CS and others said they thought that Fred had been driving and just left his car like that to go snowmobiling like many others have done.
Makes little sense. They were already worried about the windshield and a possible head injury. Already had heard from Barbara that she had no idea where the girl was. Maybe conflicting reports between the two separate callers? One saying "girl", the other saying man. Because it did say so in the logs.
A side note. Just prior to all this people were stopped for operating their snowmobile with the headlights OFF. The passenger,(Maura)? had no helmet on, the driver got a citation. Just wondering out loud here if that could be one way to get away, hop on a snowmobile and drive off with the lights dim.
Problem is, someone was seen at the trunk of the car and even though some say it was too far for the W-Mns to see, it's believed that a woman, and Maura to be exact, was at the trunk of her car 1-2 minutes b4 police came driving up. Supposedly too is that the woman of that house said" She was just there 1-2 minutes b4 you pulled up", so I tend to think CS really did go to the first callers house, first.
It took Butch 10-15 minutes I thought to get through as all lines were busy. His x wife had to take the call because he was out on his bus doing paperwork and waiting to talk with the officer. I know he helped look for Maura, even going to a nearby coffee house. Funny they might think she could hoof it that far in such a small timeframe.

I wonder if they necessarily thought that she walked - she could have easily gotten a lift from someone (anyone!) to just such a destination (coffeehouse). But I'm not sure as to the level of traffic passing on such a road, so perhaps they were well aware that was unlikely?

Looking4AMoose wrote:

<quoted text>could that be the first crash?

maybe it was the first crash,good thinking.So why does LE want to sweep crash #1 under the rug?

Simply Sarcasm wrote:

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I wonder if they necessarily thought that she walked - she could have easily gotten a lift from someone (anyone!) to just such a destination (coffeehouse). But I'm not sure as to the level of traffic passing on such a road, so perhaps they were well aware that was unlikely?

oh definately, and especially if she was seen getting into a familiar/or even unfamiliar car, but they headed off a certain way for being under some sort of impression. Hope this makes sense. Long day and thank you, really; truce :)

the damage to her hood makes me believe she may have hit a higher vehicle,maybe at the first crash..Red truck,LE SUV?

all of this speculation has been advanced from time to time. no new news.
not sure i understand the point of endless repetition; it doesn't make the argument any more convincing, imo.

WTH-the-original wrote:

Here is a funny bit of information I just discovered in the accident report. It states that in the boxes where Summoned, Arrested or Charged is listed. There is a charge of "conduct after accide" so I am assuming that there was a pending charge against her. There is also a box checked MVR RECOM. I don't know what that means.
I do know for years it was insisted that there were no charges being filed against Maura. Clearly for years there was something listed in the report.
The reason I started looking at that crap again is because of the stated clear times. Out of the documents I still have laying on file I don't seem to have the dispatch report. I was looking for the clear times. The ones reported by K9 don't seem right to me. I could be wrong but I thought that CS cleared much, much later than 1946. Can anyone take a look at the dispatch log? Accident occurred at 1927 (7:27 PM) CS dispatched 1935 arrived at 1945. Ambulance arrived at 1956. I don't have the cleared times, those are in the dispatch log.
Bill

Sara wrote:

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Perhaps from a first accident that night?

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Leaving the scene of an accident is a crime in most states when property damage over a certain amount occurs or if there is an personal injury. Even if it wasn't a crime in NH she certainly didn't file any report within the required time according to some interpretations. So this along with so much is up for possible debate. I am just listing and interpreting what I see on the report.
And don't forget, a charge, if it is that, isn't a conviction either.
Bill

Thought I would bring forward three relevant posts from 2010 - thoughts? Paris, if you are still here tonight - I think you commented well on the time discrepancy. Of course, I can't get my fingers on that post right now, but I'm looking!

Just me--paris wrote:

I'll try to help here. I recall CS saying it took him10-20 minutes to get to the scene of the crash. That's vague, right?
At first a W-Man thought they not only saw a person smoking, but that it was a man smoking.
Somehow CS already knew about that rag stuffed up there. He went to the W-Mans, so many, many family and forumers have stated such. Not to forget the newspeople, they reported this too.
But you're right Jenkins. When Maura's family went in, CS and others said they thought that Fred had been driving and just left his car like that to go snowmobiling like many others have done.
Makes little sense. They were already worried about the windshield and a possible head injury. Already had heard from Barbara that she had no idea where the girl was. Maybe conflicting reports between the two separate callers? One saying "girl", the other saying man. Because it did say so in the logs.
A side note. Just prior to all this people were stopped for operating their snowmobile with the headlights OFF. The passenger,(Maura)? had no helmet on, the driver got a citation. Just wondering out loud here if that could be one way to get away, hop on a snowmobile and drive off with the lights dim.
Problem is, someone was seen at the trunk of the car and even though some say it was too far for the W-Mns to see, it's believed that a woman, and Maura to be exact, was at the trunk of her car 1-2 minutes b4 police came driving up. Supposedly too is that the woman of that house said" She was just there 1-2 minutes b4 you pulled up", so I tend to think CS really did go to the first callers house, first.
It took Butch 10-15 minutes I thought to get through as all lines were busy. His x wife had to take the call because he was out on his bus doing paperwork and waiting to talk with the officer. I know he helped look for Maura, even going to a nearby coffee house. Funny they might think she could hoof it that far in such a small timeframe.

paris why would CS say that he thought it was Fred driving and left the car like that to go snowmobiling like many others have done?
It makes no sense. I've never seen anyone drive their car into a snow bank and a stand of trees and wreck it just to go snowmobiling. And I doubt CS would have thought this was normal either.
And did Fred carry the snow machine in the back seat? There was no trailer. I've never heard this said before.
Not being difficult here but there wasn't any coffee shop in that area or even remotely close to that area.

Simply Sarcasm wrote:

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That's valuable information - I was aware that cell's didn't work, but not aware that those w/ Onstar DID. Thank you!

Definitely did in that area --- I recall using mine for a flat tire in that area about 2 weeks after Maura's vehicle was found.

projectjason.org some of the articles that state the accident occurred at 7pm

Wowzer the real one wrote:

<quoted text>paris why would CS say that he thought it was Fred driving and left the car like that to go snowmobiling like many others have done?
It makes no sense. I've never seen anyone drive their car into a snow bank and a stand of trees and wreck it just to go snowmobiling. And I doubt CS would have thought this was normal either.
And did Fred carry the snow machine in the back seat? There was no trailer. I've never heard this said before.
Not being difficult here but there wasn't any coffee shop in that area or even remotely close to that area.

there's at least 3 vehicles along 112 tonight between 302 and Easton that would appear to be abandoned. People do it all the time to either hike or catch up with friends and hop on the snowmobile or ATV.

Looking4AMoose wrote:

A nearby coffeehouse?

No really....a nearby coffeehouse? We're talking Haverhill here---just about the only coffee is the Green Mountain crap at The Stage Stop. There was a sandwich/coffee/restaurant thing a little closer to the covered bridge, but it wasn't open at night.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

<quoted text>paris why would CS say that he thought it was Fred driving and left the car like that to go snowmobiling like many others have done?
It makes no sense. I've never seen anyone drive their car into a snow bank and a stand of trees and wreck it just to go snowmobiling. And I doubt CS would have thought this was normal either.
And did Fred carry the snow machine in the back seat? There was no trailer. I've never heard this said before.
Not being difficult here but there wasn't any coffee shop in that area or even remotely close to that area.

Sharon said that and so did the others in the room. Sharon had started out wanting to go retieve her notebook and was told to never mind, she would get a copy of the conversation, but claims she never did. She said this and i only wish I knew if it were true. Surely you may recall all the chatter about that back in the day of MMM forums. Many thought this made no sense. Oh well.
As for the coffe house, maybe it was a cafe, but I'm looking for it. Doesn't make it true, but I did just read it the other day. Maybe here? I don't go to JR blog much anymore, no time for both.

Meanwhile I found this:

The first thing that an insurer, meaning the company that you have asked to insure you does is to run a motor vehicle report (known as an MVR) on you. The state provides an MVR, but typically, insurers get them from companies like ChoicePoint or directly from state records. It shows what tickets you were charged with during the dates specified in the search. In some states like Pennsylvania, there is also no such thing as an "at fault" accident on your MVR. Your MVR report will only show if you have been involved in an accident as a driver.

I'm thinking they recommended a full backround search of the drivers records.
Maybe Maura's name came up from the other state, the UMASS info, maybe not. One thing for sure is they were making a recomendation.

Looking4AMoose wrote:

<quoted text>there's at least 3 vehicles along 112 tonight between 302 and Easton that would appear to be abandoned. People do it all the time to either hike or catch up with friends and hop on the snowmobile or ATV.

Really? You must have traveled it then. Did you notice anything going on along the river before 302?

Looking4AMoose wrote:

<quoted text>No really....a nearby coffeehouse? We're talking Haverhill here---just about the only coffee is the Green Mountain crap at The Stage Stop. There was a sandwich/coffee/restaurant thing a little closer to the covered bridge, but it wasn't open at night.

And I'm sure SBD would know that. Hmm, will keep looking.

The above timeline was from Weeper/AKA Frank

Wowzer the real one wrote:

<quoted text>paris why would CS say that he thought it was Fred driving and left the car like that to go snowmobiling like many others have done?
It makes no sense. I've never seen anyone drive their car into a snow bank and a stand of trees and wreck it just to go snowmobiling. And I doubt CS would have thought this was normal either.
And did Fred carry the snow machine in the back seat? There was no trailer. I've never heard this said before.
Not being difficult here but there wasn't any coffee shop in that area or even remotely close to that area.

This needn't be flamed, it's a perfectly legit question.

So what part is clueless and nutts and wrong? Sharon and Billy both said they were told at fiirst that Fred was thought to be driving, I swear it. We all thought that was awfully strange to say that, given the circomstances.

A student vanishes, and none knows why
Woman who left crash had planned a getaway
By Peter DeMarco, Globe Corresondent, 2/15/2004
Six days have passed since college student Maura Murray crashed her car on a rural highway in northern New Hampshire and disappeared without a trace. But as family, friends, and investigators continue their search for the 21-year-old Hanson native, two questions continue to baffle them: Where was Murray going, and what was she running from?
A junior in the University of Massachusetts at Amherst's nursing program, Murray was doing well in school. She had a dedicated boyfriend, a loving family, and close friends. Her father, Frederick, had just told her he wanted to buy her a new car.
But on Monday, Murray apparently decided she needed to get away from life for a while. In short order, she withdrew a few hundred dollars from an ATM machine, packed her cellphone wall charger and her favorite stuffed monkey into her Saturn, e-mailed her professors to tell them she wouldn't be in class all week, and headed north for the White Mountains.
Whatever her intended destination was, she never made it there in her car.
At about 7 that night, while taking a sharp turn on Wild Ammonoosuc Road in Woodsville, N.H., Murray lost control and slammed into a snow bank. Shaken by the accident, and apparently intoxicated, Murray told a witness she didn't need help, local police said. The witness went to call the police and by the time they arrived Murray was gone.
Using tracking dogs, helicopters, and trained searchers, local and state police, as well as state fish and game officials, covered nearly 20 miles along Route 112, but found no trace of Murray's footprints in the snow. The tracking dogs lost her scent within 100 feet of the accident, leading investigators and her loved ones to believe she either hitched a ride and continued on her way, or was abducted.
"We're all under the assumption that since the trail sort of falls off someone picked her up. We really hope she doesn't quite understand how many people have been looking for her," said high school friend Carly Muise. "Maybe if she doesn't realize that, the person who gave her a ride will and will come forward." Murray, a former top student and track star at Whitman-Hanson Regional High School, is described by friends and family as a responsible, attractive young woman who is very close to her family, in particular her father, who spend yesterday checking bus stations in New Hampshire and Vermont for any signs of her.
A self-reliant woman, Murray toughed out three semesters as a chemical engineer at the US Military Academy at West Point before deciding the Army wasn't for her. Since transferring to the University of Massachusetts, she has been a successful student in the nursing program, said dean Eileen Breslin.
"Nursing students are very responsible. That's part of her character," said Breslin.
If Murray was troubled by something, family and friends said, it might have been a small car accident she got into last Saturday night, when she damaged her father's new Toyota.
The day after the accident, she called her boyfriend, Army Lieutenant Bill Rausch, who is stationed in Oklahoma, in tears. A day later, on Monday, she got into her Saturn and headed north.
Rausch, who got a leave of absence from the Army, arrived in New Hampshire on Thursday. Joined by his parents, who drove from Ohio, and by Murray's father and some of her siblings, Rausch has spent the past few days driving across both New Hampshire and Vermont, stopping at local gas stations, bus stations, and police headquarters, asking whether anyone has seen Murray.
Yesterday morning, Rausch and his father were told that Murray might have been at a McDonald's in St. Johnsbury, Vt. They drove there, but no one had seen her.
"Obviously, we're hoping for the best. If I just got some news, although I guess no news is good news," Rausch said.

Looking4AMoose wrote:

<quoted text>No really....a nearby coffeehouse? We're talking Haverhill here---just about the only coffee is the Green Mountain crap at The Stage Stop. There was a sandwich/coffee/restaurant thing a little closer to the covered bridge, but it wasn't open at night.

MCSMOM HELP ME OUT PLEASE. Also, have you ever found out where the last drop off was on BHR that night?