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Det Columbo wrote:
JWB....Is that You....How was vacation.?
Just down in your area yesterday with My cousin doing the tourist thing and checking things out.
Drove by Bill and Bob's just to see the building....Oh I want a RB sandwich so bad. Soon very soon.!
John
Vacation was great gracias senor Juan (mexico). Great weather and happy hour 3-7.

Yea B&B should stay open all year long

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Vacation was great gracias senor Juan (mexico). Great weather and happy hour 3-7.
Yea B&B should stay open all year long
missed your comments during your vaca... So, you went to mexico? I always wanted to go, but heard it was pretty dangerous as far as taxi drivers & cartells & stuff.. do you mind if I ask what part?

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jwb wrote:
<quoted text> Vacation was great gracias senor Juan (mexico). Great weather and happy hour 3-7. Yea B&B should stay open all year long
LOL, have you even had time to unpack yet? Did you miss us here in the land of witch hunts, name calling and hyper-partisanship?

Came across this short article by a former LEO and now PI in NY titled "Missing Person or Homicide?" (a couple of interesting comments also.)

http://managementresources.wordpress.com/2011...
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Desenrascanco wrote:
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missed your comments during your vaca... So, you went to mexico? I always wanted to go, but heard it was pretty dangerous as far as taxi drivers & cartells & stuff.. do you mind if I ask what part?
Cancuun- We pretty much stayed within the resort area. 4 resorts under the same name with three of them in a row. Second time there and I have a whole new view of Mexico. The people are awesome and so friendly.
I feel bad for what some of the people in the center and northern mexican people have to live with. There is so much history and beauty in Mexico it is a shame that the crime and violence taints
ones view.
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LOL, have you even had time to unpack yet? Did you miss us here in the land of witch hunts, name calling and hyper-partisanship?
Came across this short article by a former LEO and now PI in NY titled "Missing Person or Homicide?" (a couple of interesting comments also.)
http://managementresources.wordpress.com/2011...
My Wife told me (sternly) before we landed in Mexico to stay away from the computer. I caught up on the many pages,videos and happenings from the week I missed. Good to see Anne and Whiston join in.
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It looks like the second accident can be put to bed based on Anne's replies.
Anne

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jwb wrote:
It looks like the second accident can be put to bed based on Anne's replies.
jwb I would not say that because there still is the problem of the timeline being so much earlier than the official time. I will always wonder what went on prior to the official reports because there is no doubt in my mind that she was being searched for before the official reports state. Lots of scenarios have been explored and it seems possible there was a car slid off the road prior
to car in a ditch. enuf.

Question, How is it that such a clear description of female and height was given so quickly. Was her liscense in the car? I know SBD gave a description but they were looking for female about 5 7 before his call got to dispatch.
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so, the multi-monikered come and go, play in the sandbox, play dumb or throw sand.
some make an appearance before retreating back to the woodwork to nibble on a few pieces of cheese.
8 years is a long time.
hope something changes soon, but it seems doubtful.

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jwb wrote:
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My Wife told me (sternly) before we landed in Mexico to stay away from the computer. I caught up on the many pages,videos and happenings from the week I missed. Good to see Anne and Whiston join in.
Did you suffer from topix withdrawal? A week here is like 7 months in dog years. LOL, that does not sound good. But you know what I mean.:-) I'm happy you're back.

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<quoted text>jwb I would not say that because there still is the problem of the timeline being so much earlier than the official time. I will always wonder what went on prior to the official reports because there is no doubt in my mind that she was being searched for before the official reports state. Lots of scenarios have been explored and it seems possible there was a car slid off the road prior
to car in a ditch. enuf.
Question, How is it that such a clear description of female and height was given so quickly. Was her liscense in the car? I know SBD gave a description but they were looking for female about 5 7 before his call got to dispatch.
Anne, I'm trying very hard to understand. Please bear with me. What you are saying is you heard only one accident but that it happened around 7pm?

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so, the multi-monikered come and go, play in the sandbox, play dumb or throw sand.
some make an appearance before retreating back to the woodwork to nibble on a few pieces of cheese.
8 years is a long time.
hope something changes soon, but it seems doubtful.
I am not "multi-monikered", Snowy.. You aswell as others know why I picked a new name.. I will openly admit that I knew nothing of this case untill Jan. of this year when I saw the ID Show on Netflix (for some reason only has season 1, even though there are now 4/5) & looked up the mystery on Google, found Renners first, then made my way here & was "out of line" on some of the things I said.. I read what people say, but most of it I have already read, & untill there is something new to really talk about, I dont want to waste anyones time with my theories, which by all of the info (that I can only see some known "facts") that I can go by is nothing that hundreds of people have thought of through the years.. I have no "hidden agenda", I dont know any family or locals, & I am obviously not that good of "sleuther"...

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Anne wrote:
<quoted text>jwb I would not say that because there still is the problem of the timeline being so much earlier than the official time. I will always wonder what went on prior to the official reports because there is no doubt in my mind that she was being searched for before the official reports state. Lots of scenarios have been explored and it seems possible there was a car slid off the road prior
to car in a ditch. enuf.
Question, How is it that such a clear description of female and height was given so quickly. Was her liscense in the car? I know SBD gave a description but they were looking for female about 5 7 before his call got to dispatch.
I follow many different missing person cases and this one was such a mystery to me. As time went on and on the question grows bigger and bigger in my mind.

Why after 8 long years wouldn't the family finally come out and give up Maura's past? I'm not saying they have to tell Renner, but it really just isn't fair. Logically if holding this information back was a strategy to help find her it didn't work. Any reasonable person would think changing the strategy at this point could only help and not hurt the situtation. Why no change in the status quo?

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Haha bill, u def make a point there. Clearly no worthwhile conclusions can be drawn from this phot copy of a crappy photo that was scanned into a computer.
But idk, I'm obviously not saying this is definitely a bruise but it sure as hell looks like it to me, & it just doesn't look like a camera artifact to my eye. It just has that classic bruise shape I've seen many times, looks like the bruise was healing.
Her eyeliner was definitely running but that's not what we r talking about, we r talking about the big black blotch on the left side of her nose(her left side). You can see a smaller black spot in her right side, looks like she was hit square in the nose and almost broke her nose.
she's clearly wearing eyeliner so that raises the question of why was she wearing makeup that night? It's been stated by her family that Maura never wore makeup, but she was wearing it.
Was she wearing it to cover ip bruising?
Something was going on in her life in Amherst that wasn't good & it would seem that this could be the answer to what happened to her.
Maybe If Fred wasn't so adamant about her prior life not nattering we wouldn't be having this conversation today and someone would be sitting in jail instead.
I mean come on, "it doesn't matter, find her!" what kind of crap is that?
Are you trying to find your daughter or not?
Anybody who has any inclination of how an investigation works would know that the weeks leading up to the event are most likely going to tell you what happened.
So Fred supposedly has no idea why she was going up there, how would he possibly kno that no one was travelling with her either in her car or in tandem? How could he possibly not wanttjis avenue looked into?
There's a 99% chance that if a crime took place it was someone Maura knew and most likely was close to.
It's just weird
You're right, very weird.

I have hoped the family filled LE in on her past, or as much as they knew of it. I assumed they only kept things out of the media and public eye for whatever reason. If they left LE in the dark also, which I think is what you're saying, then that baffles me. I agree with you that if a crime took place that it is more likely to be someone she knew.

Looks like you've followed along here much longer than I have, so your observations are interesting. I appreciate people who tell it like it is.
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I edit my post of 15405 :
The second accident scenario lives on

Columbo aka Juan, I hope you can get to the bottom of the police logs
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Anne, You really should talk to the NHCCU.I know others have suggested it, but have you done it?

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<quoted text>But idk, I'm obviously not saying this is definitely a bruise but it sure as hell looks like it to me, & it just doesn't look like a camera artifact to my eye. It just has that classic bruise shape I've seen many times, looks like the bruise was healing.
I agree its not a camera artifact. It's a computer algorithm artifact from the dithering. I suspect it is a shadow, the dithering algorithm has to chose make it white, make it black, it chose black there, too much black, The pattern of the black reminds you of a bruise. It is the same type of artifact and error, just opposite in white, as what is shown on the forehead.

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Anne wrote:
<quoted text>....Question, How is it that such a clear description of female and height was given so quickly. Was her liscense in the car? I know SBD gave a description but they were looking for female about 5 7 before his call got to dispatch.
According to the copy I have of the Grafton Co Sheriff's Log, at page 19, Faith Westman's call is entered first at 19:27 (7:27 P)... then the call from the SBD residence is entered at 19:43 and presumably that is where dispatch got the description of Maura. The first noted BOL "for a female abt 507 on foot, victim of crash" is entered after the entry of the call from the Atwood residence, so it doesn't look like LE had a description before they talked with SBD.

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I agree its not a camera artifact. It's a computer algorithm artifact from the dithering. I suspect it is a shadow, the dithering algorithm has to chose make it white, make it black, it chose black there, too much black, The pattern of the black reminds you of a bruise. It is the same type of artifact and error, just opposite in white, as what is shown on the forehead.
Bill
I should also point out that even though the white blotch on her forehead is actually a much bigger artifact of the dithering, because you don't recognize the pattern, you likely didn't even really notice it.?? You stay alive because you and your eyes recognize patterns. The forehead blotch didn't match anything stored in your brain as meaningful. If on the other hand it had contorted to be shaped like a lightning bolt, you might have thought that she was related to Harry Potter. 8-)

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I should also point out that even though the white blotch on her forehead is actually a much bigger artifact of the dithering, because you don't recognize the pattern, you likely didn't even really notice it.?? You stay alive because you and your eyes recognize patterns. The forehead blotch didn't match anything stored in your brain as meaningful. If on the other hand it had contorted to be shaped like a lightning bolt, you might have thought that she was related to Harry Potter. 8-)
Bill
Bill, you certainly know more about this than I do. Did you blow up the picture and look at it pixel by pixel? The "shadow" does not appear to be in the right place. If you have blown it up to look at it and still standby what you say, I will drop it and defer to your better knowledge on this one.:-)
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WTH-the-original wrote:
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I should also point out that even though the white blotch on her forehead is actually a much bigger artifact of the dithering, because you don't recognize the pattern, you likely didn't even really notice it.?? You stay alive because you and your eyes recognize patterns. The forehead blotch didn't match anything stored in your brain as meaningful. If on the other hand it had contorted to be shaped like a lightning bolt, you might have thought that she was related to Harry Potter. 8-)
Bill
I agree w this statement, it very well could be dithering. The black/white scale is not right in this photo so no worthwhile conclusion can be drawn from it.

But I guess that again brings up the question of why didn't they use any up to date pictures of her?
One of the pics is clearly her high school senior pic and another is her most likely at the prom. Why? Yea she looks wicked cute in these pics but how r they gonna help find her? Then judging by the size of her cheeks/dimples most of the other pics look pretty old as well.
In nov 03 she looked completely different, much much thinner.
Did they not have current pics of her? Did they not take any when she was there for the holidays?
Is there a reason they didn't want to use current photos? Seems highly unusual for a family to release 2-3 yr old pics of their missing loved one.? This, as with many other aspects of this case, is just not standard operating procedure for a missing persons case.

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