Maura Murray

Desenrascanco wrote:

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everyone of us that want to discuss the topic!! Thats what I am saying.. I thought fridays was the night everyone jumped on me, lol..

I+m not trying to jump on you. Just being curious.

Desenrascanco wrote:

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for my own safety.. has nothing to do with this message board..
The 1 thing that Jenkins did point out is that I am not from the area nor have friends/family/ anything at all up that way in NH/MA..
More or less got mad about what I said to someone almost a month ago & what was said in a video comment.. They are not trying to shut me up, basically just letting me know to "mind my own business" & find another mystery.. Just their "two cents" as they told me.. Trust.. If I knew anything at all that could solve this case, I would have told it..

I understand you.we were all disturbed by the videos.Im sorry you got dragged into one.

hannah_b wrote:

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I+m not trying to jump on you. Just being curious.

hence the lol hannah :) seriously, I like reading yalls theories.. I only posted cus my name was used.. I have nothing good to add that hasnt been stated in the time ive been here.. I just enjoy reading.. I was rude to a few people & that was a bridge I burnt.. Talking to LE about videos & how to get my name removed has nothing to do with Topix.. I was just trying to answer someones questions, other than he may or may not believe I talked to them (for all of maybe 3-5 minutes), I cant change his mind or anyone elses. I told several people about it & wished people would leave my name alone about it.. I hardly post anymore, & its no conspiracy... I agree 100% with everything Jenkins said other than not believing if I talked to said people..

where are the bears when even someone like me needs them :(

Yup I totally wasnt thinking about those damn videos, that is fuckin weird that he mentioned your name in that one and I guess theoretically LE should at least call someone mentioned in the videos, sorry for jumping down your throat, there's been more than several times people have just made things up about this case, which is so not cool.

is no one going to continue to post theories?? Yall had a pretty good convo about the ping thing before the whole junk started.. All I can say is im proud of myself for not cursing, & trying to explain.. & Jenkins, if anything I said offended you, Im sorry.. If you were registered or had an email, I would have solved it simply with you off the board cus I dont wanna put any ones name on a board.. It is not cool, & I should have never used my real name..

Jenkins wrote:

Yup I totally wasnt thinking about those damn videos, that is fuckin weird that he mentioned your name in that one and I guess theoretically LE should at least call someone mentioned in the videos, sorry for jumping down your throat, there's been more than several times people have just made things up about this case, which is so not cool.

Thank you so much! & it was about the whole BO word that was used in "the boyz from sicily" .. plus, the other LE was my hometown.. I also gave my number to northern LE to call me back cus I could have lost my job over those vids.. im glad we could solve this like adults!! thanks again!! ill stay out of yalls way.. Like I said, I agree 100% on everything else that you said!!!

I posted some thoeries on the previous page but noone seemed interested. Crappy ideas maybe.

ok...I'll start.Are there posters here on this board that try&cover something up?How bad is the problem?IMHO its out of control.

hannah_b wrote:

I posted some thoeries on the previous page but noone seemed interested. Crappy ideas maybe.

this will be my last post untill maybe late 2moro night or this weekend.. but I can assure many of you, as I made a few friends that wont post but email me or text or PM..

I will speak for us on this.. we love reading the theories, but we just dont post.. maybe not everyone agrees on them & I guess the older posters may have seen them hundreds of times, but we havent!:)

Desenrascanco wrote:

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this will be my last post untill maybe late 2moro night or this weekend.. but I can assure many of you, as I made a few friends that wont post but email me or text or PM..
I will speak for us on this.. we love reading the theories, but we just dont post.. maybe not everyone agrees on them & I guess the older posters may have seen them hundreds of times, but we havent!:)

Too bad we cant participate without being bashed.I'll be reading too!

hannah_b wrote:

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I put forward my thoughts on this some time ago, but here goes: We was told from the very beginning there was no call, incoming or outgoing to Maura´s cell phone after she left Amherst, except for her checking voice mail once that afternoon. This was always thought of as a given fact because it came from family via Helena. Dawn was right in that there could not have been any knowledge of a call pinging off the Londonderry tower since there would be no records of an unanswered call. HOWEVER, it seems we were once again screwed over, and there really was an incoming call pinging off the L-derry tower. There could only be records of it if the caller ID was already known, that is if the call was logged. Which it apparantly was, in spite of what we were told for years. This means, someone called Maura from the Londonderry area (22 mile radius) that afternoon, and the caller´s number was known but apparently not the identity of the caller. Possibly a tract phone. So - Dawn was right given the "facts" we were given, but which apparently were all lies. Again. At least this is my understanding.

This whole thing is so confusing! I guess the question is whether or not we beleieve the affidavit allegedly found by a poster here(white wash I think) is real or not. At first I assumed that it was real, but dawn made some really convincing arguments as to it not being real.
So what's the general consensus? Real or fake? Im really on the fence on this one I can't tell whether I think it's real or fake...

hannah_b wrote:

FWIW, when I first saw the "mug shot" of Maura on Renner´s blog, my first thought was "is she on some kind of drug".
I also believe we more or less know why she up and left Amherst. I think the reason was she had (or thought she had) violated her probation from November,and was at risk of going to jail. I don´t believe Billy knew, based on what he said about his conversation with Maura after the Hadley crash. There may have been some other incident as well, that we still don´t know about, that may have been a real risk of her being imprisoned. Maybe that´s what the friend who said she "didn´t want to get Maura in trouble" by telling what she knew, was alluding to. I´m not sure how much Fred knew, but I don´t think he knew everything. There was something on her mind (possibly that she had violated her probation) the night of the Hadley crash that she urgently wanted to talk to him about.

I don't think she was in danger of being imprisoned, the charges were set to be dropped. & she def wasn't charged w DUI or anything after the accident. It was a fairly big insurance claim but that wouldn't effect her charges, unless she had gotten caught doing something else. I know everyone has written off the vasi hit and run but it just seems to fit, & it turns out she was actually about a 1 minute drive from there, contrary to what we were told for years. It just seems like such a big coinincidence that he got hit right around the time that she received a phone call that made her so upset she was like catatonic. Does anyone kno if her sister was in town that night? Could it have been her driving? But honestly u can walk to where Maura actually probably parked her car and drive to where he was hit and back in under 5 mins so it's def possible she could've left work and rushed back before anyone noticed. That whole 10 minute walk to her car, 3 miles to downtown is total misinformation & after learning the Area I always found it highly suspicious that anytime this is err brought up people jump all over the person saying how impossible it was bc she was at work. We'll probably never know for sure but it seems like that's the kind of thing that might make her want to flee town for a minute to make sure no ones looking for a black Saturn in mass

& those videos!! What is up with those??!!
Does anyone else find it odd that LE was able to call them a cruel hoax so quickly? The first time they were mentioned in the news they were called a hoax. No investigations ever work that fast, particularly when u consider the glacial speed theyve conducted the rest of this thing.
If they were real, LE would NEVER admit it. Think about it, that would be front page news all over the world. Think of the shit storm that would be caused if a murderer was using YouTube to taunt a victims family? Thats some movie shit. If this guy uploaded them using one of the new prepaid phones that has unlimited data he could do so completely 100% anonymously. And if je removed the battery from the phone when he wasn't uploading videos they could
Never track him. Do u think if the cops knew there was some murderer fucking with a family and they couldn't track the guy they would admit that to the world? Hell no, the family wouldn't want that out either. That would illy encourage the guy and make him send meaner videos. This whole thing brings this case to a new level of weird.

Dies anyone know how they were able to write these off so quickly? Does anyone know why everyone on here wrote them off? Is it because everyone thinks it's beagle? Somebody somewhere made a post showing the original ski pass video was originally posted to an account called "storagehead" which is the same name beagle uses for his yahoo acct, which makes a good circumstantial case but it is possible someone's fucking with him, his email is publicly available.
But have you noticed that there is clearly 2 guys in the videos?? The weird old guy laughing does look like beagle for the most part but it also doesnt, is this why he chose beagle bc he kind of looked like him?
The other guy that's wearing the construction thing def is not beagle, so who the hell is that? Has he Been ruled out and why?

Snowy wrote:

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the original antagonism toward me is a carry over from another NH issue / debate that i believe to be unrelated to MM's disappearance. in that instance, my opinions about a matter of street justice between a cop and a citizen ultimately favored the position taken by law enforcement; it is unpopular with some posters here.
in general, supporters originating from the first
MMM forum are more in line with conspiracy theories involving LE. it rankles them when i
strongly disagree.

i am also in the camp that believes it was morally
wrong to drive accusations toward SBD/Butch
Atwood, which likely caused his considerable
distress. some believe it caused his death.

the fighting started long before i came on-board; i've detailed the history and dynamics in the
recent past.

i'll say it's difficult to figure out who is really new, and who is recycling to another moniker. i tend to
be less patient and open-minded about multi-
monikers, as you know.
thank you, once again, for listening and i hope, understanding.

I haven't been reading here for very long and rarely post, but I also appreciate your common sense stance. At times you may come across as the disgruntled warden of the funny farm grown weary of reminding the inmates that the pink elephants aren't real, but IMO, a voice of reason is never a bad thing.

Does everyone think it was beagle? Is that why you write them off? Well who is the other guy? Clearly there's 2 different guys, there's the weird old guy and then there's the guy that wears the construction hat and vest.
The old guy kind of looks like beagle but there r some differences. Is the guy messing w beagle too jist bc he looks like him? The guy listed the original video under the name "storagehead" which is beagles yahoo email so it does make a good circumstantial case but someone could easily figure that out if they wanted to mess with him, he was an extremely vocal poster. Anyone know why je hasn't posted lately? Did the guy actually making the vids freak him out?

I just find it so strange that the cops said that it's a hoax so quick, so that means they were definitely lying about it then so who's to say they ever wrote it off.

The thin that made me go back to those videos was after examining the arrest photo further and determining, IMHO, that the black spot inquestion is not a camera artifact caused by dithering. IMO, I think it's definitely a bruise.
What's something that will make a deans list student take the second week of school off? A black eye is def one of em..seems to me like that's one of the few things that she could probably justify breaking out the death in the family excuse. Eberybody in college knows that in certain majors a death in the family is the illy excuse you can use to be able to leave and come back without it fucking up your grades.
If her bruising was so bad makeup couldnt cover it then I would see her taking the week off and going to Nh.
That's why the video called "black eye" freaks me out. What if these freaks came across her on the side of the road & after the sbd threatening to call the cops on her they were probably acting nice. They couldve been drinking beers and there was 2 of them so they might've seemed fine when it's 25 degrees outside and 17 miles to n Woodstock.

All the videos were/are done by Beagle. Do you think it's someone else posting them and putting all of his theories on them? Don't think so.

findmaura wrote:

ok...I'll start.Are there posters here on this board that try&cover something up?How bad is the problem?IMHO its out of control.

That is s great question that I often wonder myself. I feel like the answer is yes. They r very good at derailing the conversation and I feel like every time the convo starts getting somewhere there's someone that changes the topic, usually by bringing crazy theories and/or "facts" that get everybody worked up.
There's also other that flame peope for making theories, but isn't that what these boards are about? Discussing theories regarding her disappearance? If someone comes io with a stupid theory it should be pretty easy to state your reasoning as to why the theory is wrong, if you can't do that then it's probably best to ignore the post al together.
I feel stupid for jumping on deserencos post, if I thought it was so stupid I should've just ignored it because arguing about this stupid shit is exactly what some people want on here.
I think that there's times where we are definitely getting close to the truth of what happened, maybe not proving it but one if these theories is the correct one.
But there are people that don't want that discussion going on, they want this tread to
Be a big crazy argument so I'd the average Joe comes an looks at it it just looks like a bunch of nuts arguing on the Internet.
I find it highly suspicious that some posters dint want this conversation happening, I'm not saying that means there's some but conspiracy going on but it's obvious there r some people who would rather this forum just didn't exist

hannah_b wrote:

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I put forward my thoughts on this some time ago, but here goes: We was told from the very beginning there was no call, incoming or outgoing to Maura´s cell phone after she left Amherst, except for her checking voice mail once that afternoon. This was always thought of as a given fact because it came from family via Helena. Dawn was right in that there could not have been any knowledge of a call pinging off the Londonderry tower since there would be no records of an unanswered call. HOWEVER, it seems we were once again screwed over, and there really was an incoming call pinging off the L-derry tower. There could only be records of it if the caller ID was already known, that is if the call was logged. Which it apparantly was, in spite of what we were told for years. This means, someone called Maura from the Londonderry area (22 mile radius) that afternoon, and the caller´s number was known but apparently not the identity of the caller. Possibly a tract phone. So - Dawn was right given the "facts" we were given, but which apparently were all lies. Again. At least this is my understanding.

Agree 100%.

A Browser wrote:

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I haven't been reading here for very long and rarely post, but I also appreciate your common sense stance. At times you may come across as the disgruntled warden of the funny farm grown weary of reminding the inmates that the pink elephants aren't real, but IMO, a voice of reason is never a bad thing.

you've brightened my day!:) and make up for the shower of nuts, meanies and flames. hearts to you!
i'm a night owl (and left-handed).....and read forum posts newest to oldest. i was plowing thru Jenkins' million questions with my eyes half open just now. all good questions, of course, with no turd tossing or volleying going on.
still, my most polite, cheerful response before gnashing my teeth would be....unknown, unknown, repeat, unknown, again, unknown, no one knows, too many pieces missing to draw conclusions, stuck in the mud, no*one*knows.
but, you see, i don't need to go on and tell him he's a piece of crap, or his family should get lost and die, or threaten him with bamboo shoots, steal the gnomes from his front yard or mess with his septic.
i can read my horoscope on the right hand side of the page, browse zappos, crochet, or walk the dogs to ease the "stress" of endless repetition. or check back often and feel my BP rise; with re-visit recidivism syndrome here on topix, it's a good thing it's free.
oh, and one more thought....Wowzer's black duck is definitely the cutest.