Maura Murray

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Snowy wrote:

for newbies....
there truly is a "gang", a gaggle, a sisterhood, a Pointy Boots Brigade....and there was a virtual bartender on topix.
this dude, i'm told, served "actual" drinks during a gathering / original search for MM in NH....and later, served "virtual" drinks online to the "gang" under a big top in a circus-like atmosphere associated with the original MMM forum.
the inner circle was, i'm told, privy to info about MM before her disappearance....and they've pretty much held tight to stuff until it's been revealed over the past year, and confirmed by Renner.
crazy, much??!
to me, the most important take-away is that the levity that took place inside the big top is contrasted with the scoldings we've all received on various forums about respecting the solemn nature of her disappearance.
in the past, MM has been held up as a deity....a young woman of beauty, brains and perfection by this group.
and, yet, they pointed their fingers with blame at any number of local NH residents.

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Jenkins wrote:

IMO, her using this excuse shows a direct intention of returning to school. Anybody whose ever been to college knows that people miss classes all the time and it's not strange at all. Nobody would be looking for her because she left class. If she was planning on starting annew life there would b no need to concoct a lie, the one lie that will give u excused absences.

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amy researches wrote:

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I agree. I think this points toward her intending to come back, not an elaborate suicide plan or starting a new life. Why drive there to kill yourself? Some have said packing up her dorm room and putting that note on top of the boxes would point to her saying "screw you" or whatever. I dunno. Maybe she was going to come back for her stuff? Too many questions we don't have answers for.

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amy researches wrote:

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Snowy, thank you for taking the time to attempt to explain this and some other things the past few days. I have a slightly better understanding now. Being new, coming in here, it's like you only see the last few minutes of a low-budget horror film. People are coming at you with daggers, and there are a few dead bodies in the corner, and you don't know why. It's confusing and sometimes it hurts. I'll admit that what you've said
above has confused me even more, but I
appreciate that you try. I am also sincerely sorry
to hear that people treated you badly when you
first came here. You and I don't always see eye
to eye on things, but personal attacks are one
thing I'm strongly against online or off. Thank you
for encouraging me to stay.

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Jenkins wrote:

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I feel like she never unpacked from winter break. Winter break at UMass is over 6 weeks and the family said that she brought all her belOngings home with her.
I feel that her room still being packed is evidence that she was most likely staying off campus with a guy when she returned to campus.
Her neighbors said they never saw her, I think she was living st least part time off campus with someone else

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Just me--paris wrote:

Oh, and about ducks. It started out as a joke between the ppl in NH at the time, threatening to send attack ducks to the ones who drove them over the edge. Anyone who would dare ask about Maura's personal business, even an innocent, "where was the art job", and they'd laugh and send out the ducks.
To me the ducks are all the ones who rallied around the idea that Maura was killed and nothing else mattered. They were all seemingly on the same page. Even I tried to be a ponty boot brigade thingy person, nobody answered. I wear cowgirl boots all day long so thought this was funny. I never really did fit in, at least not that I know of. No pity party, just truth.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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This is specualation as well:
Maybe her sister was telling her to turn herself in over the Vasi hit.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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This is specualation as well:
Maybe her sister was telling her to turn herself in over the Vasi hit.

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Jenkins wrote:

....Im still bot convinced that call that brought her to tears came from her sister. Yes she talked to her sister that nite but it seems like that wa earlier in the nite, the other thing is back at the beginning UMass police clearly said that they were able to track the call to another on campus phone, that they know where the call came from but don't know who made it. That's pretty specific info. I find it odd that now it's pretty much stated it came from her sis, what happened to it being traced to an on campus phone?

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A Browser wrote:

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Yes, thank you for explaining some of the forum's history, especially the water fowl references. Sad that some feel the need to resort to such destructive tactics. I wouldnt have had the patience to stick around.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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How come as a PI you can rule out UMASS as the start of the suspicious disappearance?
I think its weird that the family for years were able to successfully block information concerning her past. Now Renner has brought some of it to light.
All new information that has come out is concerning her past hasn't been character building information.
How come as a PI or an investigative father would UMASS not want to be searched? Why not look and see if she had possibly made any enemies in her past?
I think its so weird that the people that want to search for her and find her are really only doing it in a very limited space. Just my opinion.

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amy researches wrote:

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That's interesting. I hadn't heard that her neighbors rarely saw her. I read there was a note, or a printed email, from Billy to her on top of one of the boxes. If I remember right, it was said to be an old email containing something about Billy cheating on her. Is that untrue? You've been around a while, right?

Jenkins wrote:

Something else that could make her need to leave for a week could be If she had another black eye, one that couldnt be covered up with makeup.
Seems to me like that might be something big enough that she could justify using the death in the family excuse.
IMO, her using this excuse shows a direct intention of returning to school. Anybody whose ever been to college knows that people miss classes all the time and it's not strange at all. Nobody would be looking for her because she left class. If she was planning on starting annew life there would b no need to concoct a lie, the one lie that will give u excused absences.
Im still bot convinced that call that brought her to tears came from her sister. Yes she talked to her sister that nite but it seems like that wa earlier in the nite, the other thing is back at the beginning UMass police clearly said that they were able to track the call to another on campus phone, that they know where the call came from but don't know who made it. That's pretty specific info. I find it odd that now it's pretty much stated it came from her sis, what happened to it being traced to an on campus phone?

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Snowy wrote:

Simply - to clarify the exception you took to my post....
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citigirl wrote:
Many of us have squabbled on this forum. But your posting is plain cruel and heartless.
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i recall the days of vicious piling on to Beagle; rotten cruel posts. i guess there is a double standard.
THIS was the post I took issue with. I never claimed that you were Reviewer, nor had any hand in their posts.
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i don't think you understand the "piling on to Beagle" i'm referencing. it is NOT recent, and not related to the "112 Dirtbag" videos. citigirl would, of course, know this.
Beagle's treatment by certain posters a few years ago was unspeakably cruel. a group of posters, some still here today, revealed VERY personal information about him to this forum, and delighted in mocking him, assigned a mental health diagnosis to him, and bullied him about being "on/off his meds". all in the name of Maura Murray....someone they never met or knew.
perhaps you can understand why many of us are protective of him.
and, yes. Dawn and i vigorously stood up for him when others did not.
i owe no apology for not joining in to express concern about someone's opinion of Anne, much as you thought i should.
some terrible bullying has gone on here, perhaps before your time.
to that end, it's a double standard for Anne and others to be offended, while refusing to take responsibility for the people they regularly targeted and intentionally hurt.
i hope this helps your understanding of my position in the matter.

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Jenkins wrote:

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I feel like she never unpacked from winter break. Winter break at UMass is over 6 weeks and the family said that she brought all her belOngings home with her.
I feel that her room still being packed is evidence that she was most likely staying off campus with a guy when she returned to campus.
Her neighbors said they never saw her, I think she was living st least part time off campus with someone else

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Simply Sarcasm wrote:

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This post DOES, in fact, help me to understand your position. Very much so. But I would like to say, although it may have seemed like I was forcing you to apologize/stand up for Anne, also, that really wasn't the case at ALL. I took exception to the 'double standard' portion - which you've explained above. That was my only (salient) point.
And although it's been alluded to re: Beagle (posters 'bashing' him on a personal level) I don't recall ever having it explained so succinctly. Thanks. It clarifies.

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Jenkins wrote:

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I've been around for a while but this is int of those things that is really confusing. Originally LE stopped just short of calling it a suicide note, while at the same time the family was saying that it didn't even exist.
It dies seem like there was a printed email regarding bully's cheating on top of her boxes in her room, I guess the significance of this is up for question. I wonder why she bothered even printing it out in the first place, why print an email like that?
I wish we knew whether that printed email actually existed and what it said.
It would seem that if it was about his cheating that would be sort of a "fuck you" to Billy. But if this were this case then we would have to assume Maura was running away to start a new life and telling Billy to fuck himself.
This is one of the only things that point to her being a runaway, IMO.
I'm kind of under the impression that note didn't mean as much as some people have read into it. I fully believe that she never unpacked when she returned to UMass bc she was staying off campus with another guy. Did she print up this email so she could read it to remind her that Billy was an asshole so she wouldn't feel bad about having another bf? It's very possible. It's very possible that it was on top of the boxes simply because she was reading it and sh just put it there, an it having no deeper meaning.
Fred says he went back to her room to look for some sort of signal she might have left for him, a clue as to where she was heading. He obviously didn't think that email was much of a clue be use he said there was nothing.
I suspect that this was an old email that she had printed up at an earlier date and it really has nothing to do w her actual disappearance.

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Det Columbo wrote:

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Sorry....I do not dismiss UMASS at all. My statement meant to mean that "this is when things started to go wrong with the plan."
If there was a plan or something just quickly triggered the event that led to her departing Umass.
Something went terribly wrong at The Weathered Barn Corner on Feb 9th 2004.
John