Maura Murray

Snowy wrote:

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it is everything the family representatives have brought forward right here to topix. and you read it, and then deny responsibility for allowing it to continue, day after day, year after year.
you have no decency, then. none.
your dismissive, robotic statements have no value, no heart, no intelligence, and no meaning.
citigirl, you suck.

Pure class!!! And, everybody is just ignoring it.

Fred attacked me cuz probably it was a release of sorts.....he and the family do need peace." Fred's words of being inconsistent.....nobody on any of these Forums for the last 5 plus years has really heard his words first hand.....because he has never read...he has never written.....on any Forums. He will never read or respond...... All his words were ....are and will continue to be ..2nd hand..3rd hand. I have heard his words....standing in front of me ..in person... His words are heart breaking about his grief. I know ..some are reading Boo hoo...that's ok....he also intimated that I was over-weight.....arrgh....to those of you who have grief in your souls... please don't blame others for your grief.....Fred attacked me cuz probably it was a release of sorts.....he and the family do need peace. quote="Shack">I said "Intimated"....it was just a quick reply to discussion at the time.. the words were something like "it didn't look like I ran much"... I was not offended. I probably countered with a hmmmph! When I said to Silky that she "walked funny"..she grinned and said "yeh, and you're old". These words were all said in person within a atmosphere of a common comraderie. They were not snarly and snide words written within a group of strangers.

Shack wrote:

Fred did not berate me.....
Some years ago 3 PI's walked into HPD..only to be dismissed....and...
HPD didn't care to be at the Oct.2006.
HPD does not have the same LEO personnel as was in 2004...

I'm sure in such a small area a professional PI would have no trouble looking in a phone book and finding the people he has questions for and calling them or making arrangements for a meeting. After all a PI didn't have any trouble finding out where the SBD moved to and traveling all the way to FL to question him even more.

Det Columbo wrote:

It's amazing how these inconsistencies I state when it comes to LE is so quickly put down.
IF this was not a factor then why is there so much resilience on the part of certain posters to strike like vipers everytime it is mentioned.
John

AMEN..Keep plugging John!

Snowy wrote:

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it is everything the family representatives have brought forward right here to topix. and you read it, and then deny responsibility for allowing it to continue, day after day, year after year.
you have no decency, then. none.
your dismissive, robotic statements have no value, no heart, no intelligence, and no meaning.
citigirl, you suck.

This is low, even for you.

jwb wrote:

so the question remains.
Why does the idea OF lE mishaps and or homicide get immediately squashed? I think many of us know the answers. what is your opinion?

my opinion you ask?Same thing I've been windmilling all along,the talk of rogue LE and homicide is squashed because their are posters here with agendas.As a matter of fact i've just learned theres a cops wife here who gets downright nasty when discussing any alternative but family involvement.Wonder why?

backspace4me wrote:

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OK fair enough. On the MMM board her shoes that were described as bowling looking shoes it was stated she may have been wearing. Did she have this type of shoe. Im sure the family, exboyfriend or friends would know. Don't ya think. Ask them.

You seem to be very intent on finding information on Mauras shoes.What value are the shoes?Have you thought of something besides running capability?

I don't think there's quote as much opposition to theories involving LE as some posters think.
Yes there r several posters who try to shoot down any and all LE theooes but there r probably just as many bring them up.
Lately I've seen a lot more opposition to "detective" columbo and his cryptic statements and tidal unwillingness to answer even the simplest if questions, it's ridiculous.

Honestly anyone looking at this case objectively can't deny that there a lot of different things that point to LE being the actualt perp, or someone in LE.
Honestly it would make a lot of sense and explain a lot of weird things hat went Down that nite

findmaura wrote:

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my opinion you ask?Same thing I've been windmilling all along,the talk of rogue LE and homicide is squashed because their are posters here with agendas.As a matter of fact i've just learned theres a cops wife here who gets downright nasty when discussing any alternative but family involvement.Wonder why?

Maybe tough time recruiting anyone after Mason left????

citigirl wrote:

Sorry went through my notes it was not the dog owner that sought us out. It was the woman that heard LE in her back yard arguing as to whose jurisdiction it was.

RobibsonOrdway posted on Nov 13, 2007 regarding NHSP Monaghan's reply to her question:

"He went to the call only to make sure that the accident did not occur in his jurisdiction, which it did not. He then proceeded down 112 - towards my house - and told HPD that he would look on the way. That is when he saw me and stopped. He was actually on his way to another call for a suicidal boy in Pike. He does not fill out a statement because it is not required according to Section 106-B:15. He investigated nothing and saw nothing."

How long did LE spend arguing?

oo00oo wrote:

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I believe, the only way this will ever be solved is with an arrest or finding Maura. All the gumshoe detective work, the drip drab of crap coming out is useless. All the arguing and nitpicking is useless. Wheels keep spinning after 8 years to no resolve.

AMEN.

jwb wrote:

It is obvious based on Mrs smiths comments that they have a local person in the cross hairs but without the body it is hard to bring a case forward. I believe it will be exposed.where there is smoke there is fire.
no efforts to deflect will change the outcome

That was in 2006. Obviously, that lead didn´t pan out. They may not be focusing on the same people now, 6 years later.

Jenkins wrote:

Honestly anyone looking at this case objectively can't deny that there a lot of different things that point to LE being the actualt perp, or someone in LE.
Honestly it would make a lot of sense and explain a lot of weird things hat went Down that nite

It's crossed my mind.:-) I've tried to look at it from a lot of directions to see what would make the most sense. LE coverup would be an easy way to explain more than a couple of things. The again, they've made a lot of stupid mistakes for people who are trying hard to cover for one of their own murdering someone. Take the discrepancies JWB mentioned about the accident report etc. Sloppy job on their part, right?

I still bet someone she knows was involved. A boyfriend or whatever got her up there in the first place. Whatever put her on 112. If she was dating a local, that would jive with attorney Smith's comments. Just my best guess for the moment.

amy researches wrote:

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I still bet someone she knows was involved. A boyfriend or whatever got her up there in the first place. Whatever put her on 112. If she was dating a local, that would jive with attorney Smith's comments. Just my best guess for the moment.

bottom line: her reason for leaving/running away from UMASS was triggered by some difficult circumstances, and that very reason is key.
Amherst, and her life prior to her disappearance matters, IMO.
why would her father say it doesn't matter?

Jenkins wrote:

I don't think there's quote as much opposition to theories involving LE as some posters think.
Yes there r several posters who try to shoot down any and all LE theooes but there r probably just as many bring them up.
Lately I've seen a lot more opposition to "detective" columbo and his cryptic statements and tidal unwillingness to answer even the simplest if questions, it's ridiculous.
Honestly anyone looking at this case objectively can't deny that there a lot of different things that point to LE being the actualt perp, or someone in LE.
Honestly it would make a lot of sense and explain a lot of weird things hat went Down that nite

Jenkins ~ you've done a 180-360. what's up?

Snowy wrote:

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bottom line: her reason for leaving/running away from UMASS was triggered by some difficult circumstances, and that very reason is key.
Amherst, and her life prior to her disappearance matters, IMO.
why would her father say it doesn't matter?

Denial? Frustration? Trying to protect her? Hiding something? Your guess is as good as mine.

fireweed wrote:

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RobibsonOrdway posted on Nov 13, 2007 regarding NHSP Monaghan's reply to her question:
"He went to the call only to make sure that the accident did not occur in his jurisdiction, which it did not. He then proceeded down 112 - towards my house - and told HPD that he would look on the way. That is when he saw me and stopped. He was actually on his way to another call for a suicidal boy in Pike. He does not fill out a statement because it is not required according to Section 106-B:15. He investigated nothing and saw nothing."
How long did LE spend arguing?

She never stated how long they were arguing.

From Southshore Express:

A local Woodsville resident has come forward claiming to have heard about another accident on a police scanner the same evening that Maura's accident was reported. The woman, who goes by the name "Anne," first recounted the incident on a posting to the Maura Murray website. She spoke to a reporter for this story but did not want her name used.
Around 7 that evening, Anne recalled, she heard reports on the police scanner in her home that a young female driver was off the road and emergency vehicles were to respond. Anne said she heard a second call come in telling the emergency vehicles to turn back, because there was no need for their service; the young female driver was said to have left the area of Swiftwater Road in a private vehicle. Swiftwater Road is about two miles from Maura's accident scene. There is also Swiftwater Circle a half-mile from the accident scene. To further confuse the matter there is a small area near Woodsville that locals often call Swiftwater.

"The only reason we paid attention to the call was that we had a friend who was from Florida and was spending her first winter up here and living alone...and that was the route she drove home on," Anne explained.

There was no mention of a second accident in the Grafton County Sheriff's log that day. In fact, no activity was reported between 6:08 p.m. and 7:27 p.m.

Speculation has focused on a possible link between the two accidents, though there is no other evidence available to prove that a second accident occurred or that Maura was in any way involved.

hannah_b wrote:

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That was in 2006. Obviously, that lead didn´t pan out. They may not be focusing on the same people now, 6 years later.

Do we know for sure Hannah? They have local individuals (poi) They just don't have enough yet to prosecute yet. Looks like the case went to a grand jury and they must have come back with a conclusion of not enough evidence. I doesn't mean things didn't pan out and that was not 2006.

Hi all,just wondering if police the logs are false or changed in some way who has the power to do that.I can see not making public anything that may be ongoing.The shoes that Maura may have worn matter for lots of reasons.What kind were they.How did she get them.How new and smelly were they.Monaghan was driving away from the saturen when he spoke with RO.I am curious which way he went to Pike and who he may have passed on the way.take care philip