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Have you ever weighed out the odds of someone to go missing or to be abducted from a broken down car?
Add to the fact the amount of drama that was going on in her life, that would possibly give her a reason to disappear.
How many vicitms of serial killers are caught for cc fraud a couple days before their disappearance? Or how many people are killed by local LE a couple days before they are rumored to have been involved in a hit and run. How many troubled poeple who get kicked out of college just go randomly missing with unknown circumstances.
Unless you agree that she was abducted/killed by a local cop or local dirtbag don't expect any green checks or yellow lightbulbs.
This has turned into just another forum like the old MMM forum where people were blamed without an ounce of proof that a crime was even committed.
Love the way Jenkins rolls back and forth. Can't make up his/her mind if the police or the dad did it.Quite entertaining.

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Unless you agree that she was abducted/killed by a local cop or local dirtbag don't expect any green checks or yellow lightbulbs.
This has turned into just another forum like the old MMM forum where people were blamed without an ounce of proof that a crime was even committed.
Love the way Jenkins rolls back and forth. Can't make up his/her mind if the police or the dad did it.Quite entertaining.
I just have a tough time with the local theory because there would be more people on the road that would have reported seeing her before she was abducted.

What are the odds that the first car that passes her after she speaks with SBD is someone with bad intentions?
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Unless you agree that she was abducted/killed by a local cop or local dirtbag don't expect any green checks or yellow lightbulbs.
This has turned into just another forum like the old MMM forum where people were blamed without an ounce of proof that a crime was even committed.
Love the way Jenkins rolls back and forth. Can't make up his/her mind if the police or the dad did it.Quite entertaining.
But its ok to say:
:maura hit Vasi
:fred Molested Maura
:if maura just stayed at the car she would be with us
: maura was Bolimic
:maura had tay sachs
:maura was an alcholic
:maura committed suicide
This is ok to say right Wowzer? without any evidence to support any of these claims. I don't here any names dropped or aqusations of anyone but against Maura and her family and those that are on this forum because they are interested in what happened to maura and not protecting their own butt.
You threw out a turd yesterday that you had something to say to me yesterday. I am listening.
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meant to type "hear" not here
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I just have a tough time with the local theory because there would be more people on the road that would have reported seeing her before she was abducted.
What are the odds that the first car that passes her after she speaks with SBD is someone with bad intentions?
It is possible that she made it away from the scene and was abducted
down the road. maybe she walked up BHR and was abducted there when she realized that she was out in the middle of nowhere she decided to say ok to help and something went wrong. As NHSP have indicated that nothing can be ruled out at this point. Individuals of interest, grand jury, lie detector tests as well as the nh AG having to go to court to give evidence why they can't release records.This all leans towards suspicion that someone harmed Maura
but not enough to convict yet.
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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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Unless you agree that she was abducted/killed by a local cop or local dirtbag don't expect any green checks or yellow lightbulbs.
This has turned into just another forum like the old MMM forum where people were blamed without an ounce of proof that a crime was even committed.
Love the way Jenkins rolls back and forth. Can't make up his/her mind if the police or the dad did it.Quite entertaining.
Is there some sort of rule I'm not aware of that says you have to choose a theory and stick with it? I dont get the point of what your saying there is.
Obviously I dont know what happened.
I Lean towards It being someone she knew that did this but I'm really not sure.
If you look at how LE acted that nite it is rather suspicious and just plain strange, but I like to think that LE wasnt straight up involved.
I was just pointing out some strange things LE did that night.
All I was saying is that it's hard to look at what LE did and not think that there at least trying to cover something up.
I'm of the opinion that LE knows way more than there saying but they can't admit it bc I'd they admitted it then They would also have to admit thatthey can't catch the guy, which they would never do. LE will never admit that an actual crime took place until they have someone in cuffs.

Who can make up there mind about this 100%? with all the strange activity happening that night who can be sure what happened?
R u really trying to say that I shouldn't post if I don't Habe my mind made up?
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Shack wrote:
Nobody within Maura's family or friends has ever been cruel, rude or mean to me. We keep in touch.
Seems the rude and mean discourse is only here on
Maura's forum.
You said Fred attacked (your word} you, other volunteer searchers present at the time heard this attack and have confirmed this. They do NOT keep in touch with you although you keep trying to infiltrate yourself into their lives.

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Is there some sort of rule I'm not aware of that says you have to choose a theory and stick with it? I dont get the point of what your saying there is.
Obviously I dont know what happened.
I Lean towards It being someone she knew that did this but I'm really not sure.
If you look at how LE acted that nite it is rather suspicious and just plain strange, but I like to think that LE wasnt straight up involved.
I was just pointing out some strange things LE did that night.
All I was saying is that it's hard to look at what LE did and not think that there at least trying to cover something up.
I'm of the opinion that LE knows way more than there saying but they can't admit it bc I'd they admitted it then They would also have to admit thatthey can't catch the guy, which they would never do. LE will never admit that an actual crime took place until they have someone in cuffs.
Who can make up there mind about this 100%? with all the strange activity happening that night who can be sure what happened?
R u really trying to say that I shouldn't post if I don't Habe my mind made up?
I don't agree with everything you've had to say, but I respect you for being honest and saying what's on your mind. I came into this with no agenda, just looking for the truth. Being objective and looking at all sides is the only way I know to get closer to the truth.

Do I think I will solve it? No. None of us will. But you've gotta look at all sides just to form a theory. And that is why most of us are here, to talk about theories.

I agree with you that there are things on both sides, LE and family, that don't make a lot of sense.

We are missing too much information. Not just a piece of the puzzle, but like half of the puzzle.

I also agree with you that it was probably someone she knew who harmed her, or who was at least involved. Local boyfriend is my current theory anyway. They were looking at locals when this was said:

"On cross-examination Timothy Ervin pushes Sgt. Landry to reveal whether or not there is a person of interest in the case and Ms. Smith objects:

Ms. Smith: I'm concerned about that, because, again, this is, to the extent this is a small community, the people know... the people, the identity of those people is fairly well known."
http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2012/02/what-...

That doesn't necessarily mean random "local dirtbag" abducted her in a 10 minute window. It could mean an abusive boyfriend, for example, who happens to live locally. That is not finger pointing, just a theory based on what was said in court.

I've learned that no matter what I say here, there will be people who are not happy.:-)

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jwb wrote:
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It is possible that she made it away from the scene and was abducted
down the road. maybe she walked up BHR and was abducted there when she realized that she was out in the middle of nowhere she decided to say ok to help and something went wrong. As NHSP have indicated that nothing can be ruled out at this point. Individuals of interest, grand jury, lie detector tests as well as the nh AG having to go to court to give evidence why they can't release records.This all leans towards suspicion that someone harmed Maura
but not enough to convict yet.
I understand but I again ask. What are the odds that a girl with all the troubles she was having drives to NH crashes and then gets abducted or killed by some random person?

I don't think Maura walked that far down the road. The nose of a tracking dog is very strong. If it hit and lost a scent than it lost the scent because there wasn't a scent.

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I don't agree with everything you've had to say, but I respect you for being honest and saying what's on your mind. I came into this with no agenda, just looking for the truth. Being objective and looking at all sides is the only way I know to get closer to the truth.
Do I think I will solve it? No. None of us will. But you've gotta look at all sides just to form a theory. And that is why most of us are here, to talk about theories.
I agree with you that there are things on both sides, LE and family, that don't make a lot of sense.
We are missing too much information. Not just a piece of the puzzle, but like half of the puzzle.
I also agree with you that it was probably someone she knew who harmed her, or who was at least involved. Local boyfriend is my current theory anyway. They were looking at locals when this was said:
"On cross-examination Timothy Ervin pushes Sgt. Landry to reveal whether or not there is a person of interest in the case and Ms. Smith objects:
Ms. Smith: I'm concerned about that, because, again, this is, to the extent this is a small community, the people know... the people, the identity of those people is fairly well known."
http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2012/02/what-...
That doesn't necessarily mean random "local dirtbag" abducted her in a 10 minute window. It could mean an abusive boyfriend, for example, who happens to live locally. That is not finger pointing, just a theory based on what was said in court.
I've learned that no matter what I say here, there will be people who are not happy.:-)
I think people are being silly about using the word agenda. I think most posters on this forum would have no trouble changing their view point if truthful information came out.

When you say agenda you make it look like everyone is taking part in a huge conspiracy.

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Is there some sort of rule I'm not aware of that says you have to choose a theory and stick with it? I dont get the point of what your saying there is.
Obviously I dont know what happened.
I Lean towards It being someone she knew that did this but I'm really not sure.
If you look at how LE acted that nite it is rather suspicious and just plain strange, but I like to think that LE wasnt straight up involved.
I was just pointing out some strange things LE did that night.
All I was saying is that it's hard to look at what LE did and not think that there at least trying to cover something up.
I'm of the opinion that LE knows way more than there saying but they can't admit it bc I'd they admitted it then They would also have to admit thatthey can't catch the guy, which they would never do. LE will never admit that an actual crime took place until they have someone in cuffs.
Who can make up there mind about this 100%? with all the strange activity happening that night who can be sure what happened?
R u really trying to say that I shouldn't post if I don't Habe my mind made up?
Jenkins below is from Renner's blog:

"Here are a few details about Maura's case that I am still trying to find some kind of evidence to support. As of this moment, I cannot prove these things are true. I cannot find support documentation or unbiased sources to support these clues. If you can help, let me know. I will continue digging.

1. Was Maura's car really unreliable? Did it run on "three cylinders?"
2. Did Fred visit UMass the weekend before her disappearance to look for a new car for Maura?
3. Was Fred Murray working February 9, 2004?"

You touched apon these three things on Thursday and Friday.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:
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I think people are being silly about using the word agenda. I think most posters on this forum would have no trouble changing their view point if truthful information came out.
When you say agenda you make it look like everyone is taking part in a huge conspiracy.
FrmLE brought up agendas a couple pages back, so don't blame that one on me.:-) I don't have an agenda. If other people do, I don't know. Not my business. I don't think there is a huge conspiracy either. Just a lot of silly drama.

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But its ok to say:
:maura hit Vasi
:fred Molested Maura
:if maura just stayed at the car she would be with us
: maura was Bolimic
:maura had tay sachs
:maura was an alcholic
:maura committed suicide
This is ok to say right Wowzer? without any evidence to support any of these claims. I don't here any names dropped or aqusations of anyone but against Maura and her family and those that are on this forum because they are interested in what happened to maura and not protecting their own butt.
You threw out a turd yesterday that you had something to say to me yesterday. I am listening.
I actually don't think ANY of it is OK. I've not accused her of any of those things. I did however say that if she had just stayed at the car or went to one of the houses in view we wouldn't be having this conversation. And I truly believe that.
JWB I have serious doubts as to how many monikers you are using and where you come from. I know you use different monikers because you admitted it after slipping up one day.
Too many people using diffeent monikers, too many fabrications, too many guessing games and too many lies all in one forum.
The ducks are out in full force only under different names.
After today I'll be busy with real people with real names at real addresses so I won't be reading or posting nearly as often.
I know, everyone is going to miss me soooooo much.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:
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I think people are being silly about using the word agenda. I think most posters on this forum would have no trouble changing their view point if truthful information came out.
When you say agenda you make it look like everyone is taking part in a huge conspiracy.
Very well said and I totally agree.

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Is there some sort of rule I'm not aware of that says you have to choose a theory and stick with it? I dont get the point of what your saying there is.
Obviously I dont know what happened.
I Lean towards It being someone she knew that did this but I'm really not sure.
If you look at how LE acted that nite it is rather suspicious and just plain strange, but I like to think that LE wasnt straight up involved.
I was just pointing out some strange things LE did that night.
All I was saying is that it's hard to look at what LE did and not think that there at least trying to cover something up.
I'm of the opinion that LE knows way more than there saying but they can't admit it bc I'd they admitted it then They would also have to admit thatthey can't catch the guy, which they would never do. LE will never admit that an actual crime took place until they have someone in cuffs.
Who can make up there mind about this 100%? with all the strange activity happening that night who can be sure what happened?
R u really trying to say that I shouldn't post if I don't Habe my mind made up?
***LE will never admit that an actual crime took place until they have someone in cuffs.***

How is it possible for anyone to admit an actual crime took place when there's no evidence or proof (that we know of) to prove it was a crime?
What evidence/proof have you seen?
And no, I didn't say you shouldn't post if your mind isn't made up. I just said you are quite entertaining to watch the different ideas and opinions you come up with.That's what I meant.
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I really don't understand the numbers game, the whole what r the chances that she would have all this crap going on and get abducted.
That argument makes no sense, that's like saying nobody ever gets abducted by strangers because the chances r so low. Well it's a sad fact of life that women do get abducted by strangers. Yes it it way more likely it was someone she knew but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

Another thing is many of the times someone gets abducted it IS when a lot of things r going on in their lives. Unfortunately these type of bad things get women to drop there guard an it makes them vulnerable. Mauras case may end up being a perfect example of it. She has all this bad shit going down in her life so she probably didn't even think she might get abducted, clearly when she crashed she wasn't worried about that, u think we can all at least agree on that.

It's these fucking weirdo guys that have strange things against hot girls. Most likely because the hot girls never talked to them an ignoredtjem Thor whole lives, well maybe if they weren't such a weirdo some hot girl would talk to them.
These guys are around and Its very possible that seeing Maura vulnerable on the side if the road was a once in a lifetime opportunity for this asshole.
It's sad but true.
While I don't think Maura was abducted by a stranger it certainly is possible.
Unfortunately it happens far too much in this country

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I understand but I again ask. What are the odds that a girl with all the troubles she was having drives to NH crashes and then gets abducted or killed by some random person?
I don't think Maura walked that far down the road. The nose of a tracking dog is very strong. If it hit and lost a scent than it lost the scent because there wasn't a scent.
Nothing is impossible so I'm not saying it is impossible but I think the odds are very very slim that she was abducted.
I think this because of the amount of men, woman and kids that walk and bike this same route spring, summer and fall. I've not heard of any being abducted or even a possible abduction before or in the 8 years that Maura's been missing.

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I actually don't think ANY of it is OK. I've not accused her of any of those things. I did however say that if she had just stayed at the car or went to one of the houses in view we wouldn't be having this conversation. And I truly believe that.
JWB I have serious doubts as to how many monikers you are using and where you come from. I know you use different monikers because you admitted it after slipping up one day.
Too many people using diffeent monikers, too many fabrications, too many guessing games and too many lies all in one forum.
The ducks are out in full force only under different names.
After today I'll be busy with real people with real names at real addresses so I won't be reading or posting nearly as often.
I know, everyone is going to miss me soooooo much.
What did You do, Go get a job.?

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Nothing is impossible so I'm not saying it is impossible but I think the odds are very very slim that she was abducted.
I think this because of the amount of men, woman and kids that walk and bike this same route spring, summer and fall. I've not heard of any being abducted or even a possible abduction before or in the 8 years that Maura's been missing.
The odds of abduction by a stranger are about as likely as buying the winning Megamillions ticket at Winnie's General Store.


BUT IT COULD HAPPEN.!

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Nothing is impossible so I'm not saying it is impossible but I think the odds are very very slim that she was abducted.
I think this because of the amount of men, woman and kids that walk and bike this same route spring, summer and fall. I've not heard of any being abducted or even a possible abduction before or in the 8 years that Maura's been missing.
Interesting I never thought about looking into possible previous or post abductions.

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