Maura Murray

Brilliant Brian wrote:

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You're welcome, and I agree. Only thing with the icy snow bank - I read somewhere that around 2pm on that day it started warming up and made it to 33 degrees, which is above freezing. By 7pm, I don't see the snow bank being much more than slushy at best as far as its ice contents.
And to reply to the poster that said other posters are being chased off: that is ludicrous. Anyone is free to post here. I don't see any of the ones posting for the past hour insulting anyone (except for Whitenoise because he came here not to post theories but to condemn Maura). If you don't like the info content, then take it upon yourself to read elsewhere. Thanks.

Isn't that what I said? Remarks like yours are the reason people are leaving this forum.
***I'll find another forum where difference of opinions are welcomed and the posters arent chastised for speaking up.***
No need for you to suggest I should read elsewhere, I have full intentions of it. God, now I know how those poor posters felt when they were told they could leave and were spoken to so rudely. Your a bunch of idiots. And with that I say goodbye. I will not post again.

Byron Charles is now the Chief. Let's see for how long. The track record has not been good.

John

Jenkins wrote:

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-person- I almost don't want to say this but honestly the only other time I've seen damage that looked very similar to this was way back in high school when my friend hit somebody in a crosswalk on accident. Broke the persons hip. Looked almost exactly like it with that sharp hole like dent. Anybody know if vasi broke his hip?

I think that the haters of the truth on this forum and all previous forums should apologize to whitenoise, Mason, and all the other good people who have always spoken out. Why do you think she went to remote rural NH to stage the accident and ditch the car?

Why is Beagle obsessed with J. Renner. Making blogspot about him, all the youtube videos that r strange.

lookingforrenner.blogspot.com ?

What happened to smith being the cheif? I thought he was made chief in 2010
Did he get replaced already or was he never chief?
Didn't make much sense anyways, he can't fill out an accident report in '04 but in '10 he's cheif?

Det Columbo wrote:

Byron Charles is now the Chief. Let's see for how long. The track record has not been good.
John

Didn't know that..thought it was Cashin....they were the 2 {I think) who were out chasing a goatee hoody around midnight? and running down plates of trucks later.
And, I recall Smith was not pleased being Chief...he left after a year
or year and a half.

jwb wrote:

<quoted text>John what are your thoughts on the tire marks to the trees on the police report?

The criss-cross tire marks on the accident report?

Could it be that another vehicle did a 3-point turn there and abruptly left the scene while the Saturn was actually further (east) along the road?

Frostman wrote:

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The criss-cross tire marks on the accident report?
Could it be that another vehicle did a 3-point turn there and abruptly left the scene while the Saturn was actually further (east) along the road?

possibly Frosty, I doubt if tire tracks were compared because there were no casualties at the scene.

Shack wrote:

<quoted text>Didn't know that..thought it was Cashin....they were the 2 {I think) who were out chasing a goatee hoody around midnight? and running down plates of trucks later.
And, I recall Smith was not pleased being Chief...he left after a year
or year and a half.

I wonder what he was not pleased about? CS was a WHS grad was he not?

Nightcaps at Bailiwicks on Det. Columbo.

Anybody know exactly what model samsung phone Maura had?
I'm thinking about it and I can't think of a Samsun with a bright red light.
I remember back then samsungs were pretty popular bc they were all modern looking with the small screen on the outside.

If we coulddeterming whether her phone even had a red light or not I think that could b valuable info

whitenoise wrote:

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NOT ME! I don't care what happened to an adult woman who actually drives a car while guzzling booze, leaves an 18 yr old boy to die on the roadside on a freezing cold winter's night, causing him to spend 3 months in the hospital in a coma, and then have to spend more time in a rehab hospital, a woman who is a thief (we know about the WP and UMA crimes, tip of the iceberg), a liar, a drug addict and an alcohol abuser. There is an epidemic of missing people in this country. There are so many missing persons cases that warrant my interest and concern. These people are decent people minding their own business and abducted, never to be seen again: Holly Bobo, Tara Grinstead, Jennifer Kesse. Holly Bobo was dragged out of her own house, her brother looked out a second floor window and witnessed this. Tara and Jennifer were also both taken from their own homes. My heart bleeds for these people and their suffering families. I have compassion burnout and I drop into this forum only occasionally for my own amusement. The only reason so many got hooked on this case is because of Maura's West Point connection. A certain amount of glamour attaches itself to the words West Point. They forget she was there only 3 months and then got kicked out for stealing.

I would reply, but every suitable retort involves being crass, rude, and a tactless bitch. However, I was raised better than that, so all I can say is - if you find yourself reading threads on missing people, for fun/amusement/bragging about your wicked writing job at the Guardian and your litany of electronic devices (an iPad 2, color me impressed)-- well, maybe you should get out more. I don't come here to have fun. I go out with real people to have fun.
And your above post contains unverified claims, ridiculous speculation, and utter bullshit (She's a druggie, she nearly killed Vasi, etc.).
JWB erroneously thought you were Snowy. That's an incredible insult to her - at least her most venomous posts are witty. She seems much more of a writer than yourself, dollface.
So, keep laughing your ass off, and attacking anyone and everyone who ever dares to mention NH or Beagle with less than the required reverence you demand. If the above post illustrates how you feel, then I hope you continue to be amused by this case. It simply solidifies your position in the 'nutjob' category.

Jenkins wrote:

Anybody know exactly what model samsung phone Maura had?
I'm thinking about it and I can't think of a Samsun with a bright red light.
I remember back then samsungs were pretty popular bc they were all modern looking with the small screen on the outside.
If we coulddeterming whether her phone even had a red light or not I think that could b valuable info

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php...

Jenkins wrote:

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That accident report is just plain wrong. Did it really take home 6 days to do it? I thought it was filled out the next morning.
How could he not notice the tracks going through the snowbank on the inside of the turn?
How can a tow truck driver give a better description 7 years later? One that fits with the damage.
Is that part of it? Did they know someone ran her off the road and took her or something? Was this part of the lie? The bosses saying you guys just say the car looked like it simply spun out around the corner and you thought it was her father and he probably went snowmobiling or something. What did he tie the snowmobile to the roof of the Saturn or something? Something is up with this

What your saying brings up some great points.was Maure being chased?who/what was seen nose to nose with her vehicle?If a red truck was involved,I believe LE figured out who it was a bit later&changed up the logs.Did SBD witness it all but was threatened to keep his mouth shut?why make it seem like it just spun out?

Jenkins wrote:

Obviously a tree didn't do that damage, just look at it. There is absolutely no way.
The question is why did smith state this in his report?
How can his accident report be SO wrong?
It's crazy

Maybe putting the actual truth in the report wasnt such a good idea?

Frostman wrote:

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The criss-cross tire marks on the accident report?
Could it be that another vehicle did a 3-point turn there and abruptly left the scene while the Saturn was actually further (east) along the road?

Could the tire tracks&possible 3 point turn result in the aceleration the Westmans heard?

Simply Sarcasm wrote:

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I would reply, but every suitable retort involves being crass, rude, and a tactless bitch. However, I was raised better than that, so all I can say is - if you find yourself reading threads on missing people, for fun/amusement/bragging about your wicked writing job at the Guardian and your litany of electronic devices (an iPad 2, color me impressed)-- well, maybe you should get out more. I don't come here to have fun. I go out with real people to have fun.
And your above post contains unverified claims, ridiculous speculation, and utter bullshit (She's a druggie, she nearly killed Vasi, etc.).
JWB erroneously thought you were Snowy. That's an incredible insult to her - at least her most venomous posts are witty. She seems much more of a writer than yourself, dollface.
So, keep laughing your ass off, and attacking anyone and everyone who ever dares to mention NH or Beagle with less than the required reverence you demand. If the above post illustrates how you feel, then I hope you continue to be amused by this case. It simply solidifies your position in the 'nutjob' category.

Simply Sarcasum-"JWB erroniously thought you were Snowy. Thats an incredible insult to her-at least her most venomous posts are witty" There was nothing in her last postings that were witty. She was rude and ignorant when I replyed to her postings with my own thoughts and opinions she attacked me personally for no reason in several postings.Although Iam no Snowy fan I do not believe Snowy is Whitenoise. Even though Snowys opinions differ I truly believe Snowy wants Maura found.With reading Whitenoises postings they appear to have a hatred not only toward family but toward Maura also.

I don't think she was being chased but what was she doing on that side of the road?
It seems possible another car was involved but I would have no idea bc there's absolutely no evidence to support that.
It really seems like she lost power.

I feel, & this is obviously just my take on it, that looking at the actions of police that night that they clearly thought this very well could have been an abduction. I think that the next morning the officers were instructed to play down the foul play angle, probably told to investigate it as such but If anybody asks you thought it was a simple car that was abandoned after spinning ou around the corner, hence Cecil smith lying to the family the next day when they arrived. Telling them that he thought it was Fred driving that night.
Why were they at the scene for 2+ hours? That's a really long time for a simple abandonded car.
Think about Brianna maitlands case where the cop actually thought it was just an abandoned car. Really really stupid considering the scene but that's another story. He pulled in, ran the plates and surveyed the scene. Then he drove to her work to see If he could locate her. He was probably at the scene 10 mins, the car was towed the next day.
This is just am example of what LE does when they find an abandoned car After a minor accident, which happens all the time up there, sober and drunk people alike. Some posters like to say only drunk people leave accidents but they've clearly never lived a whole winter in Nh. In Nh people slide off the rd all the time and most of them aren't drunk. Its not like Ct where there's cops all over the place, people r also a lot more self reliant up there. Look at the response time in this accident. People don't wanna freeze on the side of the rd waiting for the cops & there is absolutely no need for LE to be involved in a car sliding off the rd causing no damage. Lots of people still believe in "live free or die". We don't need cops for mundane shit, we can get our own ride and call our own tow truck from home. So most of the time if they can't get their car off the side of the road they call a friend or hitch a ride into town from somebody.
People act like you have to have a cop at every single thing that happens on the road but that's not true, especially when sometimes you might have to wait over an hour for LE to show up, remember there's a lot more important things cops need to do up there then go to every single car that slid off the road, they would be broke by February if they actually had to do that in Nh.

So why were they at the accident scene for 2+ hours If they really thought this was simply a car that slid off the rd?
They clearly thought something was up from the beginning but they won't admit it without arresting someone at the same time. With the small population just one violent crime more than they have can completely ruin their murder rate. Yea you can have a great murder rate if you don't admit certain things r crimes

R u sure that's her phone?
Because that phone definitely doesn't have a red light on it.

So it turns out her phone doesn't even have a red light?
This has been mentioned over and over again like it's a fact that FW mistook someone smoking a cigarette for a red light on her cell.
So what's the explanation now that we know she didn't have a red light on her phone?
FW still thinks she saw someone smoking, she basically says that the media convinced her otherwise. Can you believe that?
Smoking a cogarett almost had a rhythm to it, it's very distinctive. Seems hard to mistake fr talking on the phone.

Thanks for that link, very interesting. I don't think this proves there was someone smoking by a long shot but it does prove that many of the things that r basically thought of as facts are totally wrong

Why is everybody so convinced that beagle Is the guy that made those videos?
The guy dressed as the construction worker clearly isn't him.
The only one that freaks me out is the one titled "black eye" as that is one of the theories I have as to why she had to up and leave Amherst in such a rush.
Has beagle ever admitted it?
How could LE and the family possibly completely eliminate a connection within one day? They obviously lied that first day when they said they ruled them out so r they still lying now?
LE would never admit that a killer was messing with a family using YouTube, that would be a worldwide media shitstorm, like something from a movie.
I just wonder how everyone is SO sure that it's him. I see a fairly strong circumstantial case but nobody has proven it to me yet. Can somebody point me to some sort of proof please